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View Poll Results: Macross Frontier - Episode 25 Rating
Perfect 10 133 39.82%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 81 24.25%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 32 9.58%
7 out of 10 : Good 27 8.08%
6 out of 10 : Average 11 3.29%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 10 2.99%
4 out of 10 : Poor 4 1.20%
3 out of 10 : Bad 3 0.90%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 1 0.30%
1 out of 10 : Painful 32 9.58%
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Old 2008-09-25, 14:46   Link #381
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I wander by to see any word of the final episode and all I find is hate -_-. Wtf? To point all the blame on Kawamori seems...unjustified. He's not the sole person in charge of the series. There are people above him who have a say in what happens and make him rework his original plan. Why? Because of profit. If the higher ups feel that the current plan or whatever won't be marketable or make them lose customers, they'll have it redone. This has been done in countless anime for years. Off the top of my head were the Gundam series. Tomino's original designs for the mecha of the series were completely scrapped by his superiors. The reason: the designs wouldn't be highly marketable as toys. He also created a novel of the series before the first series ended and had the main character killed off. Afterwards he lamented saying that he wouldn't have done it in the novels if he had known another series was to be made. Then were was Gundam SEED. The show's director admitted that they had the pilot of the GAT-X103 Buster switch to the main character's side because sales of the model kit were poor. Putting the blame solely on the director is unfair.

Unless he tells us, the reason for the ending of the series being the way it is may never be truly known. It could have been his call or maybe the higher ups wanted to keep sales of Ranka and Sheryl merchandise going and didn't have to make a bias towards one or the other. Maybe it was done as a marketing strategy to get people to pay money to see the movie and conclude it there and milk the franchise even more.
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Old 2008-09-25, 14:50   Link #382
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IŽd rather look forward to what will be and if there is any chance it might be influenced towards our favored direction. Hence my fretting over the Japanese reaction. I hope Tak or the other Japanese speaking persons here on the board decide to help me out, there. ^^
what i heard in IRC was that the japanese have the same reaction that you guys are having.
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Old 2008-09-25, 14:59   Link #383
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what i heard in IRC was that the japanese have the same reaction that you guys are having.
Well, I find that encouraging. That means Kawamori will get feedback on the generally unfavourable reaction to him being a douchebag, and it will probably at least result in him getting asked some pointed questions in the next interview he does.

So it gives me hope that heŽll be properly motivated to resolve the romance in the movie. Which I need right now.
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Old 2008-09-25, 15:01   Link #384
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Well, I find that encouraging. That means Kawamori will get feedback on the generally unfavourable reaction to him being a douchebag, and it will probably at least result in him getting asked some pointed questions in the next interview he does.

So it gives me hope that heŽll be properly motivated to resolve the romance in the movie. Which I need right now.
Hope he gets trashed a bit, for it, myself.

I mean, we don't really count, as the series' presence overseas is still a big question mark (and whatever imports exist are not likely to make much of a dent in the overall sales), but the native fans should SPEAK UP if they're as frustrated as us.
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Old 2008-09-25, 15:02   Link #385
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Old 2008-09-25, 15:05   Link #386
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Again... if someone here frequents the japanese boards, IŽd love to hear how the reaction over there was.

I just skimmed through the Japanese image board 2chan's Macross F thread and their reaction somewhat mirrors our reaction.


One poster mentioned that he didn't understand the episode clearly. While others complained that there were some things that were underdeveloped.

I found this comment a bit amusing:

""Ah! The vajura switched sides in only a matter of minutes!!" (LOL)


I'll hit the Macross F BBS after I come back from my lunch break so if anything is noteworthy (which I'm sure it is), I'll try to remember to post it here.


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Old 2008-09-25, 15:07   Link #387
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I just skimmed through the Japanese image board 2chan's Macross F thread and their reaction somewhat mirrors our reaction.


One poster mentioned that he didn't understand the episode clearly. While others complained that there were some things that were underdeveloped.

I found this comment a bit amusing:

""Ah! The vajura switched sides in only a matter of minutes!!" (LOL)


I'll hit the Macross F BBS after I come back from my lunch break so if anything is noteworthy (which I'm sure it is), I'll try to remember to post it here.


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Old 2008-09-25, 15:10   Link #388
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""Ah! The vajura switched sides in only a matter of minutes!!" (LOL)
The perks of having a hive mind. Although one has to wonder how NUNS feels about such a powerful ally that can be manipulated to switch sides as a race at the drop of a hat...
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Old 2008-09-25, 15:14   Link #389
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What would a hive-minded species need a love song for?
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Old 2008-09-25, 15:14   Link #390
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I wander by to see any word of the final episode and all I find is hate -_-. Wtf?
Partly because some hardcore shippers see it as their God given right to get the end that they specifically wanted, or the show is trash beyond reprise, and partly because it sounds kinda rushed, unexplained and under-developed too.

Whatever, I'm sure it won't be as bad as people say and it's probably the hardcore shippers who are taking it the worst. Whatever, Sheryl got the last kiss
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Old 2008-09-25, 15:17   Link #391
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What would a hive-minded species need a love song for?
Aimo is a lullaby, not a love song.
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Old 2008-09-25, 15:17   Link #392
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Partly because some hardcore shippers see it as their God given right to get the end that they specifically wanted, or the show is trash beyond reprise, and partly because it sounds kinda rushed, unexplained and under-developed too.

Whatever, I'm sure it won't be as bad as people say and it's probably the hardcore shippers who are taking it the worst.
I *am* a hardcore SxA shipper, and I am taking it in stride. ^^ But only because I got hope that Kawamori himself will get trolled so hard by the local Japanese fans, that he decides he needs to resolve it ( favourably to my side, of course ) in the movie. ^^

OH! And Sheryl gets to live and be happy again. If the movie isnŽt such a drama-fest like the last episodes, where Sheryl really shone, but also really suffered, then IŽd be more than happy to wait for it. Because Sheryl from episode 5-10 is still my favourite one. I can even suffer through more triangle stuff with loli-Ranka, if Sheryl gets to compete with her usual moxy, instead of all the despair she had to go through.

I want the air date for that movie, though.
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Old 2008-09-25, 15:20   Link #393
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Okay even though I'm a super Sheryl shipper, I can't be that mad. Other then the triangle, the episode was pretty awesome. The last half was really well done with all the song remixes and mecha porn. I'm not that upset about the triangle because I think if anything Ranka grew up and showed a lot of love for someone other then Alto even if it was seriously inconsistent. She says she won't lose to Sheryl in songs or love, but I guess you can interpret that in a lot of ways. She looks up to Sheryl as a role model and wants to be just as good as she is. Sheryl acknowledges Ranka. If anything it was a Sheryl x Ranka end.

Alto acknowledges that both of them are his wings, but I don't think that's a bad thing necessary. Both girls are important and that should kind of quiet down some fans who seem to think everything Alto does is all about Ranka. I still lean towards Sheryl lover, Ranka friend end. If Ranka isn't the one Alto picked things would go differently this time. No mass murder and crying. She'd be happy that Alto and Sheryl were happy. Maybe my Ranka rage is gone? I'm probably giving her too much credit.

And Brera has a hot scar now.
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Aimo is a lullaby, not a love song.
Bobby asks what Aimo is as Ranka walks onto the Frontier's bridge. She explains that Aimo is a "koi no uta" and then another voice cuts in, presumably Ranshe explaining the Vajra's origins and again talking about Aimo as a "koi no uta".

Later, the narrator adds: "Aimo, aimo. Anata anata 'tte."

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did you just realize that anime is made just for money ? them talking about Art or a work of love is just crap.
And you know what? That's just sad..
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Old 2008-09-25, 15:22   Link #396
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And thus, Kawamori at least has achieved immortaility through being a memorable troll. Still, I am waiting for the episode (gg, hopefully you'll be fast), and will post my opinions later. Unfortunately, from what I'm seeing, it wasn't that good.
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Old 2008-09-25, 15:23   Link #397
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And Brera has a hot scar now.
Hrm, I need that HD Raw now! I wonŽt see the subs until monday ( when all the good discussion will already be done, meh ), because I am away this weekend. At least the MechaPorn should be good. ^^
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I *am* a hardcore SxA shipper, and I am taking it in stride. ^^ But only because I got hope that Kawamori himself will get trolled so hard by the local Japanese fans, that he decides he needs to resolve it ( favourably to my side, of course ) in the movie. ^^

OH! And Sheryl gets to live and be happy again. If the movie isnŽt such a drama-fest like the last episodes, where Sheryl really shone, but also really suffered, then IŽd be more than happy to wait for it. Because Sheryl from episode 5-10 is still my favourite one. I can even suffer through more triangle stuff with loli-Ranka, if Sheryl gets to compete with her usual moxy, instead of all the despair she had to go through.

I want the air date for that movie, though.
Unfortunately, not all shippers are mature enough to take things that well

But yeah, it's fantastic that Sheryl at least gets herself back together after the constant barrage of putdowns she's had since Gallia 4.
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Old 2008-09-25, 15:35   Link #399
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I will only pass ultimate judgment after the movie is out. Until then I think some of reaction here is bit pre mature.

But watching this anime has one interesting ride indeed. Now what is next mecha anime? Kurogane no Barrel?
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havent read all of u guys' comments, but my reaction was:

WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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