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View Poll Results: Macross Frontier - Episode 25 Rating
Perfect 10 133 39.82%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 81 24.25%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 32 9.58%
7 out of 10 : Good 27 8.08%
6 out of 10 : Average 11 3.29%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 10 2.99%
4 out of 10 : Poor 4 1.20%
3 out of 10 : Bad 3 0.90%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 1 0.30%
1 out of 10 : Painful 32 9.58%
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Old 2008-09-28, 09:59   Link #841
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Even if it means a confirmed loss? IMHO, the licensors are businessmen first and foremost.
well said! anime companies are not licensing as much as before and they go for cheap series that can sell!
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Old 2008-09-28, 10:08   Link #842
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Too funny! I loved it.
Mee too, especially that one :

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Old 2008-09-28, 10:09   Link #843
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HA! We got pwned Gundam Wing style! Hopefully the movie is at least Endless Waltz level.

Now R2's finale is my last hope for salvaging the mecha anime of the season.
Screwed again, lol. On to fall season...
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Old 2008-09-28, 11:22   Link #844
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I must say IŽm satisfied with this. Too bad about the inconclusive love triangle, but IŽm too busy suffering mecha-porn withdrawals to care that much.
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Old 2008-09-28, 12:11   Link #845
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Horrible. I can't believe they did this what a Great way to mess up a great show
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Old 2008-09-28, 12:42   Link #846
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Horrible. I can't believe they did this what a Great way to mess up a great show
Just exactly how did they mess up the show in your opinion? Just because they left the resolution of the triangle a cliffhanger?
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Old 2008-09-28, 12:42   Link #847
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Well...

After seeing the final episode with subs - for the third time in a row - I'm actually sorry I voted a 9, after seeing the RAW. It was just too damn good! As the last episode of the series, yes, I'm still a bit frustrated at the "inconclusiveness" of the love triangle, but... even if the upcoming movie doesn't cement it, it's over for me. Alto did acknowledge that, even though we are all alone, we still love someone. That, coupled with a little bit of subtle (and not so subtle) hints, is enough to draw a conclusion. And I'm fine with that, for now.

The battle scenes were just... WOW. The song medley had it's downturns, but for the most part, it worked great. So, yeah, I think it was a more than decent finale for a GREAT series, with lots of good characters all around. Am I sorry I didn't get a clear, irrefutable proof for my shipping preference? Yeah. But I loved what I did get, so... I'll wait patiently for the movie, while collecting the series all over again from AONE's releases. This is, for sure, a keeper.
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Old 2008-09-28, 13:15   Link #848
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Just exactly how did they mess up the show in your opinion? Just because they left the resolution of the triangle a cliffhanger?

Yes and it was a bit too happy i was looking for a Macross Plus ending. I'm just mad they decided to try and keep both fan base happy and left it unresolved. Mecha action was great however the mixing of songs kind of killed the mood.
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Old 2008-09-28, 13:17   Link #849
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Yes and it was a bit too happy i was looking for a Macross Plus ending. I'm just mad they decided to try and keep both fan base happy and left it unresolved. Mecha action was great however the mixing of songs kind of killed the mood.
*Shrug* Sheryl won. The subtleties are all over the place.

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Old 2008-09-28, 13:19   Link #850
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Yes and it was a bit too happy i was looking for a Macross Plus ending.
Well, the show has a different theme to Plus to begin with, so such an ending was just not going to happen. It's not a gritty show about dysfunctional screwed up people like in Plus. Neither is it it laden with a overbearing sense of doom like Zero with the downbeat "dead narrator" opening narration and the fact it is a prequel with characters that you know are never heard of again.

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I'm just mad they decided to try and keep both fan base happy and left it unresolved. Mecha action was great however the mixing of songs kind of killed the mood.
Would it really make that much of a difference that Ranka couldn't keep her mouth shut for the last 30 seconds? Everything else worked out fine, didn't it? There's no way they can believably close off the triangle to all the character's satisfaction and resolve most of the plot arcs in the limited time. I'd rather they use the time to close off the series story properly than force some kind of resolution/mutual understanding in the triangle at the expense of the plot.

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*Shrug* Sheryl won. The subtleties are all over the place.

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Won _this_ round. The war is not over until Alto or Ranka says it's over.

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Old 2008-09-28, 13:22   Link #851
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Thought the ending was pretty good. Like others, it should have been a bit longer to really showcase all the parts of the battle and tying up loose ends.

However, its a great addition to the macross universe.

I do feel that Lion could have had better impact if we didn't hear it earlier one though.
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Old 2008-09-28, 13:22   Link #852
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Well...

After seeing the final episode with subs - for the third time in a row - I'm actually sorry I voted a 9, after seeing the RAW.
I think a lot of people prematurely voted from the RAW. Especially people who don't understand much Japanese.

Ah well
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Old 2008-09-28, 13:22   Link #853
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Won _this_ round. The war is not over until Alto or Ranka says it's over.
Speaking of Ranka, I find it completely absurd that people would just... forgive her for no reason.

Really, for the many things she done in the series, it would have been worthy of capital punishment had she existed in the real world.

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Old 2008-09-28, 13:25   Link #854
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Speaking of Ranka, I find it completely absurd that people would just... forgive her for no reason.

Really, for the many things she done in the series, it would have been worthy of capital punishment had she existed in the real world.

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Consider desertion in the midst of trouble one of them.

I don't mind too much though. After all, she did save Sheryl.
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Old 2008-09-28, 13:30   Link #855
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It's hard to bring logic into this. Logically, using real world observations of the way people act, Ranka would be hated by a significant percentage of people on Frontier just because of her defection or at least perceived defection. Even though she helped save Frontier in the end and despite her saving of Sheryl I think, as has been said before, the people who lost loved ones and friends would probably not be too forgiving for at least the first year or so. I think in about two years, if Ranka continues along the path of making people happy with her singing, she might live down her poor performances and decisions to the people of Frontier. There will always been a small percentage that will hate her to the day they die but for the most part we know that the population has a very short memory. How else do some of these politicians still get reelected if this wasn't true.
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Old 2008-09-28, 14:01   Link #856
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Fortunately for Ranka, Macross isn't real and death is like breathing in it [Macross].

I'm sure most people will have forgotten the bad things by the time Frontier landed on the Vajra planet and good things begin to happen.
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Old 2008-09-28, 14:03   Link #857
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I can live with the situation, because, as Crusader so astutely noted, Sheryl is *way* ahead, there are the subtleties which Tak and others explained, and Ranka has been ineffective in the romance department for about 90% of the series. Besides, now that she is cured, itŽll probably take Sheryl just one night to convince Alto-hime to stay by her side forever. ^^

But again I must say, the non-resolution at the end really smelled of a last-minute editorial rewrite. As a comic fan, I have seen those happen a lot of times, and they are normally accompanied by inferior art as well, just like here. Because after all the excellent stuff before the ending, I canŽt well accept that they didnŽt have the money to do the good animation for the last three minutes of the series. WeŽll probably never really know, unless Kawamori or someone else gives up some insider info. But to me it seems as if some financial guys in charge mandated a non-ending, to milk the franchise a bit more.
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I don't get it. Grace sais this is the ultimate in human evolution. Are we to understand that the ultimate in human evolution, according to Grace, is for Grace herself to control the galaxy while wiping out the rest of human kind?
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Old 2008-09-28, 15:10   Link #859
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But to me it seems as if some financial guys in charge mandated a non-ending, to milk the franchise a bit more.
That's most probably true. It was done already - to stop a series and create a gap for some merchandise to sell. It makes more ruckus around the series, creates unsatisfied people with cash in their wallets and the need to have more of what they have been stripped off - certainty. That's why world is filled with sequels, second seasons ect. The problem with Macross is that the end of it's series, aside from M7, means being presented with a final resolution. Never in the history of Macross a series continuation has been made because every and single one of them is a stand alone history using ONE time line.

So what can producers do when a series becomes so popular that it's DVDs get no. sale spots and they can't produce a sequel? End it earlier and announce a movie for the rest. Create this unsatisfactory semi-ending episode and ride the popularity. It's a fool proof plan how to get the money.

They wouldn't earn anything with regular, post Grace finishing episodes. Only fans would be happy. That's all to it.
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Old 2008-09-28, 15:18   Link #860
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It was a masterstroke, IMHO. The people who hated it (and, going by the reported Japan reactions, that was not a very big proportion) would be missed but, ultimately, the money will keep coming in.

Oh, well... my opinion of the series has not changed. LOVE everything about it. And will keep watching as they keep making it.
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