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Old 2010-03-17, 17:28   Link #261
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I actually want Kensuke to die and just disappear so that he wouldn't have to suffer like Souma from Kannazuki no Miko did. If u know what kind of anime it was.
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I think Kensuke's role is not matter anymore. And I'll get pissed off very much if Kensuke ended up like Souma.
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Old 2010-03-18, 00:37   Link #262
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I guess you will find if if Kensuke role would matter or not in the next few chapters.
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Old 2010-03-18, 12:03   Link #263
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I guess you will find if if Kensuke role would matter or not in the next few chapters.
i thought the Ga-Rei manga was ended?
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Old 2010-03-18, 13:32   Link #264
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Well, I find Kagura to be more of a main character than Kensuke. She excels at everything unlike Kensuke. To put it simply, I find Kensuke to be pretty weak.
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Old 2010-03-18, 14:06   Link #265
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@ synaesthetic: Normally I would have agreed with you, but I think the relationship between Kagura and Yomi is more of a sisterhood.

EDIT: When I say "I agree" I meant I agree with pretty much everything you wrote except that you hated that Yomi came back. Yomi is the only reason I started reading the manga. Her relationship with Kagura was really beautiful, and I hope to see more of that in the manga. Such relationship, makes me almost jelous that I am not a female sometimes... Atleast a female in a anime world. Unfortunately ignorant people exist in the real world, and they can't see yuri as a normal thing, as beautiful as any other love.

Unfortunately in anime they like combining yuri with meaningless ecchi, and that has ruined alot for me.

Ga-rei being the exception, and the Kagura x Yomi is a beautiful story, no matter if it's love between sisters or other kind of love.
I don't think Kagura and Yomi's relationship is what we call "yuri" either. but Izumi's affection towards Kagura 100% is, and of course that's the reason I hate this arc ever since (I thought kensuke's role was over already).
BTW, I hate "yuri". I can't find it being "pure" love at all (due to as u said, they included too much ecchi (hentai) into yuri manga that it cross the line instead of making a normal relationship one like most shounen manga).
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Old 2010-03-18, 16:36   Link #266
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BTW, I hate "yuri". I can't find it being "pure" love at all (due to as u said, they included too much ecchi (hentai) into yuri manga that it cross the line instead of making a normal relationship one like most shounen manga).
Straight pairings from shounen manga have plenty of ecchi moments too. Besides, you said you hate yuri, but have you ever read actual yuri manga? Have you read Aoi Hana? Did you read Girlfriends or Kuchibiru Tameiki Sakurairo? Also, I don't know what you mean about "pure" love. Since when is love supposed to be "pure" (whatever that means)? There's always a sexual component in romantic love. That's a fact of life, and it's the same for entertaining media.

Oh, yeah, I have to say something on topic: the relationship between Kagura and Yomi is that of sisters!!
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Old 2010-03-18, 17:11   Link #267
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Straight pairings from shounen manga have plenty of ecchi moments too. Besides, you said you hate yuri, but have you ever read actual yuri manga? Have you read Aoi Hana? Did you read Girlfriends or Kuchibiru Tameiki Sakurairo? Also, I don't know what you mean about "pure" love. Since when is love supposed to be "pure" (whatever that means)? There's always a sexual component in romantic love. That's a fact of life, and it's the same for entertaining media.

Oh, yeah, I have to say something on topic: the relationship between Kagura and Yomi is that of sisters!!
Nope, I read but never finished ones. Kannazuki no Miko incidence was too traumatic. I also dropped Strawberry panic the moment I know it's yuri, which is when I finished watching the first episode and never see males.
I think almost any lesbians claim that their love are "pure" e.g. Kuroko from To Aru Kagaku no Railgun while they're perverts. They're many more but i kinda forgot since I don't want to remember.
Yeah, Kagura and Yomi's relationship is that of sisters (I never mentioned it's yuri after all) since Kagura already has Kensuke and Yomi has Nori. But how could u ignore THAT Izumi?
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Old 2010-03-18, 22:00   Link #268
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I actually want Kensuke to die and just disappear so that he wouldn't have to suffer like Souma from Kannazuki no Miko did. If u know what kind of anime it was.
Spoiler for Coincidence!?:

I think Kensuke's role is not matter anymore. And I'll get pissed off very much if Kensuke ended up like Souma.
pretty rough call there. but i dont think you realize how important Kensuke is to Kagura. he is pretty much the sole reason she is still human and acts normal. if Kensuke wasnt there after all that has happened with her killing Yomi, Yomi being resurrected plus everything else she would have lost all sense of humanity and just turned into a killing machine.

i think Kensuke has done well to put himself in harms way to help protect Kagura and help her realise her own want and desires and not just what others want her to be
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Old 2010-03-19, 09:16   Link #269
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pretty rough call there. but i dont think you realize how important Kensuke is to Kagura. he is pretty much the sole reason she is still human and acts normal. if Kensuke wasnt there after all that has happened with her killing Yomi, Yomi being resurrected plus everything else she would have lost all sense of humanity and just turned into a killing machine.

i think Kensuke has done well to put himself in harms way to help protect Kagura and help her realise her own want and desires and not just what others want her to be
I don't really care much about Kagura. Isn't Kensuke supposed to be the main protagonist? But what we've seen is that he always got his role stolen by Kagura or other casts, making him more like a side-character or another random love interest of magical girl. I think it's really a shame that all he could do to Kagura is mostly "by being there" and got his ass saved by Kagura time over time. His most memorable moments till chapter 48 are when he slashed through Tengu and slashed through dimension imo, which looks awesome but never again used (not to mention that it was Kagura and Byakuei who destroyed the Kyuubi).
Umm, Kensuke = Taxido Mask (always get captured and need Sailor Moon and her comrades to rescue)
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Old 2010-03-19, 11:14   Link #270
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I don't really care much about Kagura. Isn't Kensuke supposed to be the main protagonist? But what we've seen is that he always got his role stolen by Kagura or other casts, making him more like a side-character or another random love interest of magical girl. I think it's really a shame that all he could do to Kagura is mostly "by being there" and got his ass saved by Kagura time over time. His most memorable moments till chapter 48 are when he slashed through Tengu and slashed through dimension imo, which looks awesome but never again used (not to mention that it was Kagura and Byakuei who destroyed the Kyuubi).
Umm, Kensuke = Taxido Mask (always get captured and need Sailor Moon and her comrades to rescue)
I can't agree to this.
What I think you are equating to importance and "what makes a protagonist a protagonist" is based on fighting ability. Its more than that, and Kensuke has shown to be a strong character in getting closer to Kagura, finding importance and acceptance in his spiritual ability, among other things.

Just because he isn't a exorcist version of Hiko Seijūrō and blasting through everything (still he has surprised many a foe as of late, its really only the okama that makes him look really weak, but still...) doesn't make him any less of a protagonist. Its rather just showing that experience and solid training DO in fact matter.
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Old 2010-03-19, 12:00   Link #271
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Nope, I read but never finished ones. Kannazuki no Miko incidence was too traumatic. I also dropped Strawberry panic the moment I know it's yuri, which is when I finished watching the first episode and never see males.
None of that is actual yuri, but rather something else with some yuri in it. Even Strawberry Panic is just a otaku-oriented parody of Marimite, but with more yuri in it. But actual yuri is manga from yuri magazines (like Yuri Hime) and manga published as Yuri or GL, like Aoi Hana, Girl Friends, or Sasameki Koto. If you read any of those you'll note the difference.

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I think almost any lesbians claim that their love are "pure" e.g. Kuroko from To Aru Kagaku no Railgun while they're perverts. They're many more but i kinda forgot since I don't want to remember.
Those are not lesbian characters, nor is Railgun a yuri series, it's an otaku-oriented moe-ecchi series. There's a whole lot of difference. You see the word "pure" used in a totally twisted way in such series because it is an otaku-fetish.

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Yeah, Kagura and Yomi's relationship is that of sisters (I never mentioned it's yuri after all) since Kagura already has Kensuke and Yomi has Nori. But how could u ignore THAT Izumi?
Why would I spoil you what's the deal with Izumi? Just keep reading, you'll see. What I can tell you is, that it is not yuri.
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Old 2010-03-19, 13:00   Link #272
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Anyway, did he defeat the okama? With flashy move?
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Old 2010-03-22, 21:16   Link #273
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I don't really care much about Kagura. Isn't Kensuke supposed to be the main protagonist? But what we've seen is that he always got his role stolen by Kagura or other casts, making him more like a side-character or another random love interest of magical girl. I think it's really a shame that all he could do to Kagura is mostly "by being there" and got his ass saved by Kagura time over time. His most memorable moments till chapter 48 are when he slashed through Tengu and slashed through dimension imo, which looks awesome but never again used (not to mention that it was Kagura and Byakuei who destroyed the Kyuubi).
Umm, Kensuke = Taxido Mask (always get captured and need Sailor Moon and her comrades to rescue)
yeah that doesnt really mean anything that he cant fight as well as Kagura becasue when you look at the facts Kagura has been trained since birth to be a top class exorcist plus she has Bakuyei. while Kensuke on the other hand has only been trained in Kendo but has some dormant exorcist talent that he is yet to fully tap into while at the same time only been doing exorcist work for what around 6-8 months? so of course he wont be as good as Kagura yet but he definitely has potential.

and in the end thats what the main theme of the manga is about which is Kensuke finding his feet and becoming a good exorcist while providing friendship, assistance and love to Kagura

also who is to say that one day when Kensuke has fully tapped into his powers he will be able to cut into dimentions when ever he feels like it (but then this will be stupid because no one would be a challenge)
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Old 2010-03-23, 23:51   Link #274
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I've read latest chapter translation (chapter 49). I just know that the manga is already end in chapter 52. I hate waiting so can someone spoil it to me? If you think that it isn't appropriate then you can pm me.

I also wouldn't mind if you can give me a link for the raw in pm.
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Old 2010-03-24, 05:18   Link #275
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What I think you are equating to importance and "what makes a protagonist a protagonist" is based on fighting ability. Its more than that, and Kensuke has shown to be a strong character in getting closer to Kagura, finding importance and acceptance in his spiritual ability, among other things.
Or even simpler: Kensuke is the difference between Kagura and Yomi
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Old 2010-03-24, 16:16   Link #276
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I've read latest chapter translation (chapter 49). I just know that the manga is already end in chapter 52. I hate waiting so can someone spoil it to me? If you think that it isn't appropriate then you can pm me.

I also wouldn't mind if you can give me a link for the raw in pm.
Yeh, I don't mind getting spoiled too!

I actually haven't really read manga... only when Yomi took over this body.. what was her name again? Izumi?

I basicly started managa only because of Yomi but since she didn't get enough attention and love in the begining of the manga I didn't bother... the flashback where Kagura was telling about what happened with Yomi actually made me rage... no emotions of what so ever... was good to see Kagura finally snap...

Anyway if anyone is kind enough, PM me the ending as well^^
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Old 2010-03-25, 00:08   Link #277
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The mangaka's new work has been scanlated on mangafox now.

Looks like the main protagonist is a girl this time around and she looks a lot like Kagura except with white hair. A female protagonist... Maybe he'll try to cash in on that Yuri craze Yomi + Kagura stirred up with the anime. I really hope not. :P
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Old 2010-03-25, 07:30   Link #278
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Just read ch 49 and ...... it's unfair.
Spoiler for White priestress escorts ability:

Kensuke is more like a butt-monkey side character. He receives no love from mangaka imo.
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Old 2010-03-25, 10:06   Link #279
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I never considered Kensuke as main character... maybe because I've watched anime first, duno.

Besides I don't know why everyone expected him to be uber strong when he had no experience at all when he had joined Kagura's team =/
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Old 2010-03-25, 10:25   Link #280
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Yeah, and I have no idea why does he have to be the narrator, and most active character while being so damn weak.
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