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Old 2010-11-19, 01:23   Link #8801
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Dynames lineage is sniping, and Virtue lineage is bombardment. Exia isn't mobility either, it's close combat.
Let me rephrase. What I meant to say was that Exia is close-quarters so it has the most mobility, and Kyrios, designed for aerial superiority, has the most speed and acceleration. They both have features that let them perform their designated role, but what about Dynames and Virtue? Is it just a better targeting system (for Dynames) and greater particle storage (for Virtue)?
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Old 2010-11-19, 01:31   Link #8802
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That seems to be more or less the case yes. The Dynames line has the most advanced sensors of the group (the Cherudim is known to use its GN Particles to enhance its sensor power, and the Zabanya has 5 specialized large targetting sensors all over its body), with the Virtue line having the most particle storage capacity in the form of all its bulk for the boy GN condensers.
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Old 2010-11-19, 10:36   Link #8803
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Gauntlet can block attacks.
GN Fields can block attacks.

Understand now?

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My point is that it doesn't really matter. They both block enemy fire.
It does matter actually because while both of them are generally defence mechanisms, they're both used differently and have different strengths and weaknesses. GN Field is generally used for defending over a wide area while physical shields are usually used towards smaller personal blocking and cost less particles.

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I was wondering: what are the specialties of the four Gundam lineages? I know the Exia line has the most mobility and the Kyrios line the most speed and acceleration, but what about the others?
Dynames possess the best sensor system in general in the lineage and has the best precision-attack range. (Virtue's range is long as well but it's attacks are larger, more costly and more boom) Virtue possess the best raw beam attack power and the best defense, which makes it very useful for anti-ship battles. Virtue line in general also have the best Condenser capacity.

These comparisons however may not necessarily apply to 00.

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Dynames lineage is sniping, and Virtue lineage is bombardment. Exia isn't mobility either, it's close combat.
Exia's specialty is mobility actually, it possess the best mobility among the four Gundams and this greatly contributes to it's close combat capability. Kyrios has the best straight line speed.

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Oh and also, this is why 00 gundam itself is quite strong. It has a GN field of some sort (the one which release particles to block beams), and also have physical shields, and physical blades and beam sabers. To balance it out, the producers make 00 gundam unable to trans-am

Come to think of it, the buster sword which 00 7s have is quite gay. It is a physical blade, yet can be used to produce gn field and can also be used as a physical shield.
It's powerful but not that powerful really. It's biggest weakness is that it lacked any range attacks of it's own. The rifle mode of the GN Sword series is quite an important part actually. In the case of 7S, the Buster Sword doesnt need it due to the other Swords but I feel like the Sword itself has a nice balance mainly being a defensive mechanism that can be converted into it's most powerful blade. Although Buster Swords are a bit hard to use since it requires a lot of space and force to get effective damage due to the mass.

The main specialty of the Buster Sword II is that it can deploy the GN Field at range as well. That means it can deply a field at points outside 00G. It was mentioned in the profile that this feature can be used to protect allies.
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Old 2010-11-19, 11:27   Link #8804
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It does matter actually because while both of them are generally defence mechanisms, they're both used differently and have different strengths and weaknesses. GN Field is generally used for defending over a wide area while physical shields are usually used towards smaller personal blocking and cost less particles.
It matters to people like us and here on the tech thread, and in detailed mecha analysis, but the only thing most fans need to know is that it blocks stuff.
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Old 2010-11-19, 11:35   Link #8805
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It matters to people like us and here on the tech thread, and in detailed mecha analysis, but the only thing most fans need to know is that it blocks stuff.
But.........that's the point. WE ARE those people.

Although ultimately it really doesn't matter. Neither the gauntlet OR the GN Field of Masurao got used anyways. Just like Susanowo's beam saber function, Arche's beam rifle and Arios's beam shield.
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It's powerful but not that powerful really. It's biggest weakness is that it lacked any range attacks of it's own. The rifle mode of the GN Sword series is quite an important part actually. In the case of 7S, the Buster Sword doesnt need it due to the other Swords but I feel like the Sword itself has a nice balance mainly being a defensive mechanism that can be converted into it's most powerful blade. Although Buster Swords are a bit hard to use since it requires a lot of space and force to get effective damage due to the mass.
Hmmm. Are those mini gn sword things which can fire and retracts its tips like those slash harkens in code geass considered ranged or melee?
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Old 2010-11-19, 11:44   Link #8807
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Its technically a hybrid weapon, just like most of the GN Swords are also rifles. It still has a rifle function albeit probably weak.

Ultimately however because close range is usually not limited to melee (in definition, the Cherudim SAGA comes to mine being a close combat MS without any melee save the gunaxes), it can be considered a "close range" weapon nevertheless since even the throw range is not that far and it specialises within a certain short range in being a blade, a retractable dagger and the weak rifle.
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But.........that's the point. WE ARE those people.
This is true.


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Although ultimately it really doesn't matter. Neither the gauntlet OR the GN Field of Masurao got used anyways. Just like Susanowo's beam saber function, Arche's beam rifle and Arios's beam shield.
What exactly is the beam saber's function supposed to do? I know it's supposed to give the Shiranui and Unryu a mixture of beam and solid weapon properties, but is it anything like the GN Swords II and III where they can generate large beam sabers outside of the blade?

EDIT: I finally found a good clip of the Gadelaza's fangs in action, and I'm still wondering what the Large GN Fangs do. The Small GN Fangs obviously operate as beam sabers like the Gaddess', but the Large Fangs don't do anything in the clip. I seriously doubt they just carry the Small Fangs, so what the heck do they do that would warrant their own Tau Drives?
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Old 2010-11-20, 04:07   Link #8809
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What exactly is the beam saber's function supposed to do? I know it's supposed to give the Shiranui and Unryu a mixture of beam and solid weapon properties, but is it anything like the GN Swords II and III where they can generate large beam sabers outside of the blade?
It works by having thr blade split (sort of) horizontally in half. The lower part of the blades lowers to reveal some space between it and the other part ofthe blade. Beam energy is generated through this space to do damage.

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Old 2010-11-20, 13:47   Link #8810
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It works by having thr blade split (sort of) horizontally in half. The lower part of the blades lowers to reveal some space between it and the other part ofthe blade. Beam energy is generated through this space to do damage.

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/827/openwz.jpg
So it use a beam edge on the blade sorta like the Beam swords in Seed.

I have a question about the GN-X II does anyone know what model of beam rifle the standard model was equipped with.
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Old 2010-11-20, 20:33   Link #8811
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So it use a beam edge on the blade sorta like the Beam swords in Seed.

I have a question about the GN-X II does anyone know what model of beam rifle the standard model was equipped with.
Probably the same rifle most GN-X units use.

This one: http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/00/...-beamrifle.jpg
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Old 2010-11-21, 09:03   Link #8812
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i have a question does the GNX 4 has bean shield like the GNX 3 or it can generate a GN field?
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Old 2010-11-21, 09:04   Link #8813
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It can create a GN Field.
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Old 2010-11-21, 09:26   Link #8814
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i have a question does the GNX 4 has bean shield like the GNX 3 or it can generate a GN field?
The GN-XIII never had a beam shield; it was a micro-GN Field
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Old 2010-11-21, 09:32   Link #8815
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The GN-XIII never had a beam shield; it was a micro-GN Field
i was forgetting its name but yes that was what i was referring to
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Old 2010-11-21, 10:53   Link #8816
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So it use a beam edge on the blade sorta like the Beam swords in Seed.

I have a question about the GN-X II does anyone know what model of beam rifle the standard model was equipped with.
Very likely the same beam rifle used by the Ones and IIIs. Even in III, it hasn't even changed.

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I finally found a good clip of the Gadelaza's fangs in action, and I'm still wondering what the Large GN Fangs do. The Small GN Fangs obviously operate as beam sabers like the Gaddess', but the Large Fangs don't do anything in the clip. I seriously doubt they just carry the Small Fangs, so what the heck do they do that would warrant their own Tau Drives?
That depends, it may have abilities we have not seen yet because of the "not used doesnt mean its not there" rule as is the case with some MS in this series.

However, in my opinion it may because Gadelaza is still a prototype and may not necessarily have been completed fully. It's a pretty neat idea though, because these are MS sized things so you can potentially equip them with weapons.

Of course, the good thing about a Ms-size thing having a Drive is that it will never run out of particles as long as it still have electricity within it. Even if it's Condenser reserves run low, it will still have particles producing at a rate. Because GN Drive Taus have a far longer operational time than say an L-Condenser, there is less risk of it running out. If each Large Fang is designed to say out for long periods, this may be important.

Because the Gadelaza is designed to be some sort of ship+MS objects team strike force in one, they may have to stay separate in battles for long periods (than the usual come back and charge may usually allow) otherwise the large ship would be vulnerable. Now the Gadelaza isn't as much as a sitting duck as the Ptolemaios is, but it's still fairly large and some stuff are generally better handled by the smaller nimble mobile force. Another point is that it may be a hassle for the small Fangs to come back all the way to the Gadelaza so having particles recharging unit/sources nearer to it would help to a certain extent too.

The total energy in terms of GN Particles used by the Gadelaza on average may be to the point where it takes 20 Drives producing on average to keep up with the amount used. If this is indeed true, you will need around 20 Drives somewhere around the unit anyways (just a matter of where you distribute it), so because of the easiness via recharging mobile recharge stations (the 14 Large Fangs in this case) they may have been equipped on the LF for this purpose.

Onwards, one could argue that if each Large Fang lack its own weaponry that it won't be that useful, in which I agree if it was true. But I think this may be attributed to the Gadelaza still being a prototype so it may not have reached the stage where they've installed weapons on each MS Fang yet and are currently at the stage where you test out the basic deploy fly around system (with the small Fangs as the actual weapons). If this is the case, then more weaponry may be installed in them in the future once they get past the basic "MS size Fangs fly around effectively" stage of their development. In my opinion, both the mobile charge thing as well as actual weapons on the Large Fangs (regardless of whether they secretly have them not or is planned in the future) is the reason why they each have Drives.

This is my 2 cents at least. (or 2 bucks, based on the amount of words I used, lol)
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Actually, on the note of Gadelaza's fangs, it has much more than 154.

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The 14 Large GN Fangs and the "Small Beam Saber" Fangs they carry are stored in the protrusions in the blue section, while the funnel-like "Small Beam Rifle" Fangs are stored in the orange sections, and there is clearly several dozen of those.
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Old 2010-11-21, 12:18   Link #8818
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Probably the same rifle most GN-X units use.

This one: http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/00/...-beamrifle.jpg
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Very likely the same beam rifle used by the Ones and IIIs. Even in III, it hasn't even changed.
Thanks Nosferatu and Sonic I wasn't sure what changes if any had been made between I & III rifles it's the short barrel version and I could tell from it's apperance it wasn't same model as the GN-X Advance since it didn't have the beam saber mount.
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Old 2010-11-22, 03:10   Link #8819
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Actually, on the note of Gadelaza's fangs, it has much more than 154.

Spoiler for Gadelaza:


The 14 Large GN Fangs and the "Small Beam Saber" Fangs they carry are stored in the protrusions in the blue section, while the funnel-like "Small Beam Rifle" Fangs are stored in the orange sections, and there is clearly several dozen of those.
From where do you get this observation? Having seen the Gadelaza scenes over and over again I only see the Gadelaza launching the Large "mother" Fangs from the main hangar bays. Besides, official material give the Gadelaza no more than two types of Fangs, with no "third" type of fangs mentioned or shown.

Also, relooking the manga adaptation the side containers seem to house the Gadelaza's missiles (the swarm of lights the Gadelaza launches at the ELS in the second sortie).
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From where do you get this observation? Having seen the Gadelaza scenes over and over again I only see the Gadelaza launching the Large "mother" Fangs from the main hangar bays. Besides, official material give the Gadelaza no more than two types of Fangs, with no "third" type of fangs mentioned or shown.
That's why I'm a little confused.

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Also, relooking the manga adaptation the side containers seem to house the Gadelaza's missiles (the swarm of lights the Gadelaza launches at the ELS in the second sortie).
Here's the image of the Gadelaza launching whatever-they-are from the movie, for clarity and to prove they're coming from the Gadelaza.

Spoiler for Gadelaza launching "missiles":


And here's the close-ups a fraction of a second later:

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Now as I said, it's certainly possible they are missiles and I'm just confused, but their appearance seems to suggest otherwise.
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