Mobile Suit Gundam 00 Second Season - Episode 3 Discussion / Poll

[LoweGear]

Originally Posted by Wolfen

Were there any transformable MS at all before Kyrios appeared?

If not, I'd have had my engineers and scientists all over that thing as soon as I got it. A variable form, multi-role vehicle with proven combat superiority would be the holy grail of MS producers everywhere.

Wolfen.

Transformation is nothing new for the world powers when Kyrios appeared: the Flags and Enacts, though never designed for mid-air transformation were fully capable of transforming from one mode to another in the hands of experienced (or bold) pilots as shown multiple times in 00. The only difference between the Kyrios and the Union/AEU transforming mobile suits was that the Kyrios was designed from the onset for mid-air transformation, and was able to do so perfectly due to GN Particle tech.

In terms of transformation tech, there's nothing the Kyrios could offer that the ESF doesn't already know, asides from some improvements on how to apply GN technology to a transforming design.

[SaintessHeart]

Most of the mecha fielded by the AEU and Union are transformable for space-saving hangar storage (low roofs) and quick reaction (fighter jets don't need to walk, they can just rapidly take off).

HRL's Tieren seems to be still used, since they have the ability to form iron walls. Pity the operator was killed by falling debris larger than itself.

[Kelrys]

Can this be possible: Aeolia transfer his mind to Wang Liu Mei before his death. And now watches how his plan comes to fruition.

[Duo Maxwell]

Pardon me.....?

I know I want to get a clue about Wang's true motive, but that's what I'll call BS if it happens (no offend, just can't find any other word).

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by Kelrys

Can this be possible: Aeolia transfer his mind to Wang Liu Mei before his death. And now watches how his plan comes to fruition.

Already considered, but it is more likely to be one of the Innovators, as they are a more convenient target of mind transfer.

My money is on Regene. He is important for something. Ribbons wouldn't even know what hit him...

[Kelrys]

Where are the rest of the innovators in S1? Ribbons created them?

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by Kelrys

Where are the rest of the innovators in S1? Ribbons created them?

I read somewhere that Ribbons was the first to be "awakened", that's why he is the leader.

One would assume the rest of them were woken up from their pods (as seen in the intro, where Tieria came from) to serve him.

And that's why I think there is room for Aeolia to be inside Regene.

[hikari no tsubasa]

Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant

Already considered, but it is more likely to be one of the Innovators, as they are a more convenient target of mind transfer.

My money is on Regene. He is important for something. Ribbons wouldn't even know what hit him...

if any of these mind transferring really happened... i would be quite disappointed in sunrise... as they've done a great job so far with gundam 00. hopefully they'll come up with something a bit more realistic than that. i am sure sunrise hasn't run out of good stuff to show us in gundam 00

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by hikari no tsubasa

if any of these mind transferring really happened... i would be quite disappointed in sunrise... as they've done a great job so far with gundam 00. hopefully they'll come up with something a bit more realistic than that. i am sure sunrise hasn't run out of good stuff to show us in gundam 00

It's hardly unrealistic, when you consider the fact that the 00 universe already had synthetic humans. In order to make human beings from scratch, you would need to have great knowledge of AI and the human brain. It's not that mind-transfer isn't sci-fi territory, because it is. But from current understanding of CB technology, it is definitely not ridiculous.

[X207]

Originally Posted by Charred Knight

Kyrios is too outdated to be useful, just look at Exia, its got its ass kicked, I will guess that Soma/Marie will get some nice mecha, and hopefully Allejuah and her will get a combination attack.

they can still get useful info from it. it was ahead of their time in se1 and they can get some insight on how the original gn drives worked even if the drive is now in CB's hands. they could maybe even improve their red GN drives efficiencies to some extent. imo i would like to see it return but i'll leave it up to the animators to make the final descision on its use.

[LoweGear]

Originally Posted by X207

they can still get useful info from it. it was ahead of their time in se1 and they can get some insight on how the original gn drives worked even if the drive is now in CB's hands. they could maybe even improve their red GN drives efficiencies to some extent. imo i would like to see it return but i'll leave it up to the animators to make the final descision on its use.

Depends... while the Thrones were powered by less advanced GN Tau Drives, the frames themselves were mentioned on the HG manuals to be more advanced than the 3rd Gen Gundams due to the way they distributed GN Particles throughout their body (through the frame itself instead of through cables), and the GN-X's were based off the Thrones.

Hence, the tech in the hands of the Earth Sphere Federation is already more advanced than anything the Kyrios could provide. Also, the Federation may not even know that there's a fundamental difference between an original and a Tau drive - as far as they know, they use the same kind of GN Drives as the Gundams.

[miles316]

Originally Posted by The Small One

Somehow I don't see a "mind transfer" technology as very likely... okay, they have artificial humans and cyborgs, whose bodies maninly consist of technology, but some kind of mind transfer would require some sort of human-machine interface, connected to the brain, and if the world had this kind of technology, I think they would pilot their Suits by this and not manually, like they do.
If you ask me, I think more likely than a "mind transfer", is some sort of "brain transplantation", since it comes pretty close to a "normal" cyborg...

the ability to have a computer and human mind interact in a use full manor has been long establish in gundam

psy-coframe, psy-com, bio computer from the original gundam series universal century plus the dark gundam from mobile fighter gundam that could take control of peoples minds.

[RAVNEN]

Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant

I read somewhere that Ribbons was the first to be "awakened", that's why he is the leader.

One would assume the rest of them were woken up from their pods (as seen in the intro, where Tieria came from) to serve him.

And that's why I think there is room for Aeolia to be inside Regene.

I started to confuse which one is Ribbons,they all look the same.
I wonder why Ribbons need more of himself,probably for a super fortress?

Aeolia inside Regene is a great theory,I would love to see that.

[Freya]

Excuse my noobness but who's Regene?

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by Freya

Excuse my noobness but who's Regene?

The one who looks like Tieria with curly hair and glasses, currently Ribbon's assistant.

Originally Posted by RAVNEN

I wonder why Ribbons need more of himself,probably for a super fortress?

Ribbons has gave himself a promotion. You wouldn't expect him to do the housework around the moonbase himself, would you?

[RAVNEN]

Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant

The one who looks like Tieria with curly hair and glasses, currently Ribbon's assistant.

Ribbons has gave himself a promotion. You wouldn't expect him to do the housework around the moonbase himself, would you?

If "Aeolia inside Regene"theory does come true,I would like to see Regene betray Ribbons.It kinda like Ribbons betray Alejandro,hmmm....what come around,does come around.

I guess Ribbons base is to large for him to take alone,lazy Ribbons.

[X207]

Originally Posted by LoweGear

Depends... while the Thrones were powered by less advanced GN Tau Drives, the frames themselves were mentioned on the HG manuals to be more advanced than the 3rd Gen Gundams due to the way they distributed GN Particles throughout their body (through the frame itself instead of through cables), and the GN-X's were based off the Thrones.

Hence, the tech in the hands of the Earth Sphere Federation is already more advanced than anything the Kyrios could provide. Also, the Federation may not even know that there's a fundamental difference between an original and a Tau drive - as far as they know, they use the same kind of GN Drives as the Gundams.

true, the only reason why i see that kyrios can come back to haunt CB would be if the federation ever does find out that the 2 drives have different abilities. its return may not be kyrios+1 but if wouldn't say its a stretch if they discovered transam mode later on in the season. i never even considered that the tau drives would ever be distributed to the 3 powers in se1 so fed's version of transam or psuedo transam is possible.

[Rising Dragon]

Originally Posted by X207

true, the only reason why i see that kyrios can come back to haunt CB would be if the federation ever does find out that the 2 drives have different abilities. its return may not be kyrios+1 but if wouldn't say its a stretch if they discovered transam mode later on in the season. i never even considered that the tau drives would ever be distributed to the 3 powers in se1 so fed's version of transam or psuedo transam is possible.

The Trans-Am function was a part of the original GN-Drives themselves, so the Federation has no way of replicating the feature.

[RAVNEN]

The Federations will never have Trans-Am feature because its need the original GN Drive. With the original drive,the particles can regenerate after use,but with Tau drive energy will depleted.Then Feds MS with stay motionless with no energy.

[fizzmaister]

Originally Posted by RAVNEN

The Federations will never have Trans-Am feature because its need the original GN Drive. With the original drive,the particles can regenerate after use,but with Tau drive energy will depleted.Then Feds MS with stay motionless with no energy.

When the two options are have your suit destroyed now, or go into super mode and use up your remaining particles (and then be disabled) the burst actually sounds useful.