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Old 2008-10-16, 07:54   Link #1
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The Second Battle of Orb

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You do know that one side was using nuclear weapons, and the other had a giant kill sattelite right?

The decisive winner would either be the complete annihalation of one side, or the complete annihalation of both sides which is what Rau wanted.
Then what about the Requiem that annihilate population Zaft colony? And Orb was held responsible it led Djibril escape and Cagalli did not explain there action to the people World and Zaft colonies thinking themselves as the Logos.
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Old 2008-10-17, 07:06   Link #2
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Then what about the Requiem that annihilate population Zaft colony? And Orb was held responsible it led Djibril escape and Cagalli did not explain there action to the people World and Zaft colonies thinking themselves as the Logos.
What? Yes, that was his point. Superweapons kill everyone.

And Cagalli did not explain her action because she CAN'T, because she didn't actually DO the ACTION. It was the Seirans. . .
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Old 2008-10-17, 21:17   Link #3
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What? Yes, that was his point. Superweapons kill everyone.

And Cagalli did not explain her action because she CAN'T, because she didn't actually DO the ACTION. It was the Seirans. . .
That's the main turning point for the Kira and the Orbs. If she CAN'T then why she's questioning at Gilbert without any proof to give with his wrongdoing and Zaft main objective is Djibril that his photo was the proof of the evidence. Yet the Seirans are now pronounced dead and Cagalli is now in charge of the defense and STILL continue to retaliate the Zaft that makes a supporter of Logos.

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Old 2008-10-18, 06:24   Link #4
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That's the main turning point for the Kira and the Orbs. If she CAN'T then why she's questioning at Gilbert without any proof to give with his wrongdoing and Zaft main objective is Djibril that his photo was the proof of the evidence. Yet the Seirans are now pronounced dead and Cagalli is now in charge of the defense and STILL continue to retaliate the Zaft that makes a supporter of Logos.
Because Gilbert still attacked Orb and was practically raping it. What do you want Cagalli to do? COME, ZAFT FORCES, RAPE MY COUNTRY, AND WHILE YOU ARE AT IT, ME AS WELL!!!!!!

Plus, after Cagalli returned to Orb, he pronounced his oh-so-wonderful Destiny Plan shortly afterwards.

Motivation, rite there.
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Because Gilbert still attacked Orb and was practically raping it. What do you want Cagalli to do? COME, ZAFT FORCES, RAPE MY COUNTRY, AND WHILE YOU ARE AT IT, ME AS WELL!!!!!!

Plus, after Cagalli returned to Orb, he pronounced his oh-so-wonderful Destiny Plan shortly afterwards.

Motivation, rite there.
Gilbert attack Orb because it is the only country that have the strenght to opposed Zaft.
Only the Scandanavian Empire are the ally of Orb that time.I wonder if those Scands have MS forces.

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Old 2008-10-18, 07:52   Link #6
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Because Gilbert still attacked Orb and was practically raping it. What do you want Cagalli to do? COME, ZAFT FORCES, RAPE MY COUNTRY, AND WHILE YOU ARE AT IT, ME AS WELL!!!!!!

Plus, after Cagalli returned to Orb, he pronounced his oh-so-wonderful Destiny Plan shortly afterwards.

Motivation, rite there.
They are not raping the country they are after Most wanted man Djibril. They have the right to attack it.

What Cagalli to do?
Arrest all Seiran nobles that Djibril was sheltering as soon as possible before Zaft attack it.

A negotiate a ceasefire and we will handed over Djibril to the Zaft that's it, that will make a peaceful solution to prove themselves they are not siding with the Logos.

But Cagalli just sitting around doing nothing and Hell let's loose each side. Then luk what happened to the poor Zaft people at space. They think now the people of the World and Zaft as the last supporter of Logos.
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They are not raping the country they are after Most wanted man Djibril. They have the right to attack it.

What Cagalli to do?
Arrest all Seiran nobles that Djibril was sheltering as soon as possible before Zaft attack it.

A negotiate a ceasefire and we will handed over Djibril to the Zaft that's it, that will make a peaceful solution to prove themselves they are not siding with the Logos.

But Cagalli just sitting around doing nothing and Hell let's loose each side. Then luk what happened to the poor Zaft people at space. They think now the people of the World and Zaft as the last supporter of Logos.
By the time they get contact with Durandal, Djibril will on the moon and they will still be blamed.
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They are not raping the country they are after Most wanted man Djibril. They have the right to attack it.

What Cagalli to do?
Arrest all Seiran nobles that Djibril was sheltering as soon as possible before Zaft attack it.

A negotiate a ceasefire and we will handed over Djibril to the Zaft that's it, that will make a peaceful solution to prove themselves they are not siding with the Logos.

But Cagalli just sitting around doing nothing and Hell let's loose each side. Then luk what happened to the poor Zaft people at space. They think now the people of the World and Zaft as the last supporter of Logos.
Haaahhhhh. . .

Watch GSD first before you post first please. . .

Not to sound harsh, but it looks like you either forgot what happened or have no idea what you are talking about. . .

ORB was being attacked by ZAFT forces relentlessly. The defense of ORB is the first priority. And if you had actually watched GSD, she also did a countrywide search for the Seirans and Djibril.

But Djibril BRIBED the soldiers guarding him to ignore Cagalli and bring him to the plane safely. Which Lunamaria pursued. And as pretty as she is, she can't aim for shit.. .

Of course, unless, you mean, Cagali hope for the best and try to look for the Seirans and Djibril then protect ORB. Now, of course, potentially, by the time she found them, there will be no ORB left to protect.

And of course, there is also the fact that Djibril is only a false pretense used by Durandal to invade ORB. Even if Cagalli had found Djibril and handed him over, it is no guarantee that Durandal will stop his invasion. Hell, he is already on the brink of victory. Shinn and Rey could have easily kicked everyone's ass had Kira not arrived.
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Old 2008-10-18, 19:20   Link #9
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Haaahhhhh. . .

Watch GSD first before you post first please. . .

Not to sound harsh, but it looks like you either forgot what happened or have no idea what you are talking about. . .

ORB was being attacked by ZAFT forces relentlessly. The defense of ORB is the first priority. And if you had actually watched GSD, she also did a countrywide search for the Seirans and Djibril.

But Djibril BRIBED the soldiers guarding him to ignore Cagalli and bring him to the plane safely. Which Lunamaria pursued. And as pretty as she is, she can't aim for shit.. .

Of course, unless, you mean, Cagali hope for the best and try to look for the Seirans and Djibril then protect ORB. Now, of course, potentially, by the time she found them, there will be no ORB left to protect.

And of course, there is also the fact that Djibril is only a false pretense used by Durandal to invade ORB. Even if Cagalli had found Djibril and handed him over, it is no guarantee that Durandal will stop his invasion. Hell, he is already on the brink of victory. Shinn and Rey could have easily kicked everyone's ass had Kira not arrived.
May be you are the one not yet understand the situation. After Zaft repair the Requiem and shot at EA base at the moon. The Orb mobilize it to stop (but why they didn't immediately act after Djibril shot the few colony that makes a doubt) the first objective is to knock out the Relay Station and the Zaft defender confuse about Lacus speech but the Zaft commander tells them (HERE IT IS that's why I trying explain to tell you from the beginning) there are the Last remaining Logos and Zaft believe it. Now how come complicated matter have solve the problem after Djibril die and Lacus is now the Chairman without explaining their action to the people of the World and the Zaft people that their proclaimed them as the Last remain Logos.
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Old 2008-10-19, 00:00   Link #10
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But Cagalli just sitting around doing nothing and Hell let's loose each side. Then luk what happened to the poor Zaft people at space. They think now the people of the World and Zaft as the last supporter of Logos.
You seem to be conflating Cagalli with Lacus. As the head of state of Orb, she was at war with PLANT. Why should she have to care about what happened to enemy civilians?

Furthermore, it's the obligation of the attacking power to call for a ceasefire, so why are you putting the onus on Cagalli?
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May be you are the one not yet understand the situation. After Zaft repair the Requiem and shot at EA base at the moon. The Orb mobilize it to stop (but why they didn't immediately act after Djibril shot the few colony that makes a doubt) the first objective is to knock out the Relay Station and the Zaft defender confuse about Lacus speech but the Zaft commander tells them (HERE IT IS that's why I trying explain to tell you from the beginning) there are the Last remaining Logos and Zaft believe it. Now how come complicated matter have solve the problem after Djibril die and Lacus is now the Chairman without explaining their action to the people of the World and the Zaft people that their proclaimed them as the Last remain Logos.
Hehhhh... ..

The ORB forces did not react when Djibril attacked the colonies because they themselves were preoccupied with domestic problems. You know, because ZAFT INVADED THEM. You don't seem to get this. ZAFT INVADED THEM, ORB DID NOT ATTACK ZAFT. THEREFORE, THEY ARE AT WAR. And hell, Djibril acted on the behalf of the EA forces, so ORB literally had nothing to do with it. Why should they help ZAFT out anyway? Their forces have literally destroyed ORB. And besides, I don't think the public opinion will be so supportive of ZAFT, who invaded them. Hell, if Cagalli had helped the ZAFT forces out, she would probably be overthrown and exiled to the Falkland Islands.

*facepalm*

You are confusing two totally different things here. Lacus and ORB attacked ZAFT because Gilbert wanted to launch his DESTINY PLAN. It had nothing to do with the second battle of Orb. And she did explain why she attacked ZAFT, because the Destiny Plan violated the human right of FREEDOM. But that ZAFT captain did not want anyone from his squad DEFECT, so he said those words. Because you know, APPARENTLY, troops defecting from your army is not so great.
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Orb did not fire the Requiem Djbril and the remnants of the Earth Alliance did

That would be like claiming Russia attacked Japan with a Nuclear bomb
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Because you know, APPARENTLY, troops defecting from your army is not so great.
Yup,I agree.When troop defect,good & bad thing will happen.For example:

GOOD THING:

A) Andrew Watfield stole Eternal in GS
B)Lacus give Kira Freedom

BAD THING:

A) Lord SOB Djibril got away with help from ORB soldier that has been bribe.
B) Gaia,Chaos & Abyss got stole by EA so called elite Phantom Pain unit.Also got help by ZAFT soldier whose got bribe.

*GUNDAMMMM*
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Old 2008-10-19, 19:58   Link #14
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..Lol. Andrew and Lacus weren't ZAFT's troops.

Yzak and Dearka are. But then again, they were just protecting ZAFT's stolen airship =pp
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Orb did not fire the Requiem Djbril and the remnants of the Earth Alliance did

That would be like claiming Russia attacked Japan with a Nuclear bomb
Actually that might happen in....RED ALERT 3!

Who cares? Orb was much in a wreck, they need time to repair their system before meddling in other nations' affairs.
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Do you believe the world and ZAFT considered Orb to be a sympathizer with Logos or even as a part of Logos after Djibril escaped?
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Old 2008-10-20, 01:47   Link #17
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No, Lacus would have set them straight, and the Zaft leadership was made up of either members of Terminal, or Terminal sympathizers. Also all of Zaft's best pilots would be on good terms with Lacus.

Lacus would use that strength to create an alliance with Orb, and be on good terms with them.
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Do you believe the world and ZAFT considered Orb to be a sympathizer with Logos or even as a part of Logos after Djibril escaped?
Um, no. Let's get something straight here. The SEIRANS were sympathizers of Logos. Not ORB. Just because the leader of the country is some idiot who goes into a war for personal reasons, does not mean that the WHOLE FRIGGIN COUNTRY sympathizes with that reason.

And plus, yeah, Lacus will set them straight. It would also kind of help that her soulmate is the brother of Cagalli, who I heard was the RULER of ORB. And that Athrun, who is Lacus' ex-fiancee and still good friend, is prolly BANGING her, as we speak.
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Thank god the Seirans are dead now.
Hopefully in the next installment of GS there gonna be a lot of new things. Like ORB,EA & ZAFT stand together to face new threat. Destiny gundam 2.0 or maybe Minerva return with Yzak Joule as it captain.
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Thank god the Seirans are dead now.
Hopefully in the next installment of GS there gonna be a lot of new things. Like ORB,EA & ZAFT stand together to face new threat. Destiny gundam 2.0 or maybe Minerva return with Yzak Joule as it captain.
new threat = aliens. Yep, this is good stuff.
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