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View Poll Results: Mobile Suit Gundam 00 Second Season - Episode 5 Rating
Perfect 10 90 41.86%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 62 28.84%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 31 14.42%
7 out of 10 : Good 18 8.37%
6 out of 10 : Average 7 3.26%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 2 0.93%
4 out of 10 : Poor 1 0.47%
3 out of 10 : Bad 1 0.47%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 0 0%
1 out of 10 : Painful 3 1.40%
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Old 2008-11-02, 12:44   Link #221
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it seems that Celestial Being is anyone's enemy now..
kataron → CB
A-Laws → CB
Ali → CB
Graham (Bushido) → Setsuna
Bla bla bla..

hope CB can explain more clearly to kataron so they wun blame CB for the casuallty...
Maybe Lyle can explain to them that it wasn't CB fault. The A-Laws attack on the Kataron base would have been a lot worst if CB hadn't shown up when the did. But there a lot of blame to go around for both groups.

The Kataron guard shouldn't have gave Saji the keys to that jeep.
Kataron should have confined Saji to there base seeing Saji till they could determine whether they could trust Saji.
Maybe CB shouldn't have brought Saji to the meeting.
CB maybe shouldn't have left Saji at the Kataron base.

In the long run Kataron needs CB more than CB needs Kataron.
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Old 2008-11-02, 12:46   Link #222
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Did Saji lead the Fed/A-LAWS the the desert camp of Cataron or did Smirnov let him go because he believed he was not part of Cataron. The attack as just a coincident.
It's Federation protocol to report info to the A-LAWS. Because that one officer barged in earlier on, the info was reported and...yeah. Saji's partly responsible.
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Old 2008-11-02, 12:49   Link #223
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@Slick Rick: Sergei? On par with Ali? You're comparing someone whose best acheivement was almost taking off a Gundam's head (and he got worse in a GN-X save for his little scuffle with Drei) to a person who killed three Gundam Meisters and two of them quite effortlessly. Okay, Mikhail was shot on-ground, but still, plus this is the man who bested a Gundam in an Enact, one of the lowest-tier MSes in 00 there is next to the Realdo, Anf and standard Tieren. Graham is also better, because of his stunt against Johann and being able to critically damage Exia, TRANS-AM effects aside.

And...give me proof of him being a 'beast'. Really and honestly, aside from some fancy nickname.
Ali had a custom Enact. Which I would guess would be somewhere on par with the Overflags. He didn't defeat a Gundam until he got a Gundam himself. Graham had to get the beam saber from the Gundam before he could even damage it and it still wasn't a complete defeat. Sergei was able to fight when he got a GNX was able to coordinate with his team to send all three Trinity's running. You still have to take in consideration the Trans-Am effect without that Graham would have ended up like Corners.
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Old 2008-11-02, 12:50   Link #224
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The Innovators' name are hilarious. Revive Revival? LOLZ
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Really though, I'll be laughing about this way more than Mr. Bushido. Revive Revival has too many jokes for it. Even its literal meaning is funny.
You guys need to watch Aura Battler Dunbine, then the Innovators names will seem normal

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Setsuna wouldn't know that Ribbons gave that MS to Ali, so that's kinda a moot point
Ah, well, I think he thought that only Ali would burn down a whole city with a Gundam? Or, Setsuna was just lucky with his guess?
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Would be convincing weren't it obviously fan art...still damn sweet-looking, though.

But really, for his moniker, Sergei was...quite lackluster. He sent the Thrones running...what...once or twice when Trinity were, frankly, rather poor pilots (here's hoping that Nena's improved over four/five years), and 'almost' took off Exia's head. Sorry, but even Patrick accomplished more than he did.

@Slick Rick: Sergei? On par with Ali? You're comparing someone whose best acheivement was almost taking off a Gundam's head (and he got worse in a GN-X save for his little scuffle with Drei) to a person who killed three Gundam Meisters and two of them quite effortlessly. Okay, Mikhail was shot on-ground, but still, plus this is the man who bested a Gundam in an Enact, one of the lowest-tier MSes in 00 there is next to the Realdo, Anf and standard Tieren, and the man who, with the sole exceptions of Allelujah and the new Lockon, has beaten every Mesiter in CB. Graham is also better, because of his stunt against Johann and being able to critically damage Exia and almost kill Setsuna, TRANS-AM effects aside.

And...give me proof of him being a 'beast'. Really and honestly, aside from some fancy nickname.
I think it was mentioned that he was on par with Ali in the World Report books (not sure) but Ali's reaction when he first saw that Sergei was on ship with him gave the impression that he respected him.
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Old 2008-11-02, 12:52   Link #225
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You guys need to watch Aura Battler Dunbine, then the Innovators names will seem normal



Ah, well, I think he thought that only Ali would burn down a whole city with a Gundam? Or, Setsuna was just lucky with his guess?


I think it was mentioned that he was on par with Ali in the World Report books (not sure) but Ali's reaction when he first saw that Sergei was on ship with him gave the impression that he respected him.
You mean Keen Kiss? And I already told people about all the Innovator names last week. Several times in fact....it's just that apparently everybody had their minds on something else. I wonder what that could have been.
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Old 2008-11-02, 12:55   Link #226
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You guys need to watch Aura Battler Dunbine, then the Innovators names will seem normal
I've seen it. Their names are whack too. You might as well say the Innovators were based off of them. But thinking about Revive Revival's meaning is still funny.

Is Ali's MS Gadesa or something?
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Old 2008-11-02, 12:55   Link #227
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Ali had a custom Enact. Which I would guess would be somewhere on par with the Overflags. He didn't defeat a Gundam until he got a Gundam himself. Graham had to get the beam saber from the Gundam before he could even damage it and it still wasn't a complete defeat. Sergei was able to fight when he got a GNX was able to coordinate with his team to send all three Trinity's running. You still have to take in consideration the Trans-Am effect without that Graham would have ended up like Corners.
I believe his first Enact in the battle in Moralia was a standard model. He used the Custom after it got trashed, and I only remember it being used when Trinity first appeared, plus Agrissa, and when it was abandoned when Ali took the Zwei.

And again, the Trinity Team are poor pilots. They have an incredible over-reliance on their weapons and...don't exhibit any strategy. They just followed Laguna's order's to the letter.


And as for Ali showing respect, well, Sergei is presumably legendary and hence kind of deserves that respect...I haven't seen him DO anything legendary, though.
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Old 2008-11-02, 12:59   Link #228
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I believe his first Enact in the battle in Moralia was a standard model. He used the Custom after it got trashed, and I only remember it being used when Trinity first appeared, plus Agrissa, and when it was abandoned when Ali took the Zwei.

And again, the Trinity Team are poor pilots. They have an incredible over-reliance on their weapons and...don't exhibit any strategy. They just followed Laguna's order's to the letter.


And as for Ali showing respect, well, Sergei is presumably legendary and hence kind of deserves that respect...I haven't seen him DO anything legendary, though.
And these Trashy pilots are the ones people are praising Ali for killing after he got a Gundam himself? I pretty sure he always had a custom Enact as if I remember they were doing testing in it when the Gundam attack in S1. He still wasn't able to defeat a Gundam at the time. He made Setsuna get out of Exia but that is only because Setsuna recognized his fighting style not because he was scared of losing.
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Is Ali's MS Gadesa or something?
Probably. Gadesa is the Innovators' latest MS, which has just rolled out. Maybe Ribbons gave it to Ali, or the Gadesa are actually mass produced MS, and Ali just have one of them
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And these Trashy pilots are the ones people are praising Ali for killing after he got a Gundam himself? I pretty sure he always had a custom Enact as if I remember they were doing testing in it when the Gundam attack in S1. He still wasn't able to defeat a Gundam at the time. He made Setsuna get out of Exia but that is only because Setsuna recognized his fighting style not because he was scared of losing.
He still got the better of Setsuna, repeatedly, except for the TRANS-AM Omnislash.

And so what if it was after (for Johann and later Neil) he got a Gundam? He's still been the only character in the history of the show to kill a Gundam Meister. The one who's followed closest is Graham followed by Soma, and then Patrick. Sergei...well...again, only head-grabbing.
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Old 2008-11-02, 13:04   Link #231
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Would be convincing weren't it obviously fan art...still damn sweet-looking, though.

But really, for his moniker, Sergei was...quite lackluster. He sent the Thrones running...what...once or twice when Trinity were, frankly, rather poor pilots (here's hoping that Nena's improved over four/five years), and 'almost' took off Exia's head. Sorry, but even Patrick accomplished more than he did.

@Slick Rick: Sergei? On par with Ali? You're comparing someone whose best acheivement was almost taking off a Gundam's head (and he got worse in a GN-X save for his little scuffle with Drei) to a person who killed three Gundam Meisters and two of them quite effortlessly. Okay, Mikhail was shot on-ground, but still, plus this is the man who bested a Gundam in an Enact, one of the lowest-tier MSes in 00 there is next to the Realdo, Anf and standard Tieren, and the man who, with the sole exceptions of Allelujah and the new Lockon, has beaten every Mesiter in CB. Graham is also better, because of his stunt against Johann and being able to critically damage Exia and almost kill Setsuna, TRANS-AM effects aside.

And...give me proof of him being a 'beast'. Really and honestly, aside from some fancy nickname.
In defense of serge he was fighting the Exia in its third Battle with no previous experience fighting a gundam. The only reason Exia was not able to take off Serge arm was because Setsuna was not ably to get the right amount of leverage to slice it off. Serge sacrificed his right arm to get in to a superior position. serge was a Battle hardened soldier hew hated losing pilots that is why he never took chances like other pilots did.
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You mean Keen Kiss? And I already told people about all the Innovator names last week. Several times in fact....it's just that apparently everybody had their minds on something else. I wonder what that could have been.
Mister Bushido, I think?
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I've seen it. Their names are whack too. You might as well say the Innovators were based off of them. But thinking about Revive Revival's meaning is still funny.

Is Ali's MS Gadesa or something?
While I agree that the name is funny, it has nothing on Show Zama. I mean, most of the Innovator names are puns on obvious things (Hilling Care,Anew Returner,Bring Stabity) so they might seem funny to us, but they sound ''cool'' to the Japanese viewers once they understand their meanings.
And I think the Gadesa might be Revive's MS, but Ribbons allowed Ali to use it.
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I believe his first Enact in the battle in Moralia was a standard model. He used the Custom after it got trashed, and I only remember it being used when Trinity first appeared, plus Agrissa, and when it was abandoned when Ali took the Zwei.
The Enact used by Ali in Moralia was already the custom model, as signified by its larger head creast over the commander model Patrick used (note that "standard" model Enacts aka MP units don't have headcreasts). The Aggrisa type custom Enact is simply the same Enact adapted for use with said mobile armor.
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Ah. Still, custom or not, it was a far inferior suit.
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He still got the better of Setsuna, repeatedly, except for the TRANS-AM Omnislash.

And so what if it was after (for Johann and later Neil) he got a Gundam? He's still been the only character in the history of the show to kill a Gundam Meister. The one who's followed closest is Graham, and then Patrick. Sergei...well...again, only head-grabbing.
Sergei made Tieria use his most secret weapon, Nadleeh, to escape our else he would have been captured with Alle in S1. He true skills are his battle tactics. He shown to use an ingenious tactic to combat the fangs of the Trinity's also. None of the other ace's have a Gundam so it would be unfair to compare them to a pilot with one. The Gundam is just superior in every way. Using the logic you can say Setsuna a better pilot than Ali because he owned him when in Trans-Am. Trans-Am mode gave the advantage. Give Sergei or Graham a Gundam and we'll see who is the best but until then it would be unfair to say Ali is the best for fighting in a far superior suit than the others.
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It isn't just the suit, it's his skill. Again, his first introduction. He was, custom aside, in a unit that, to any Gundam, was cannon fodder, and, though Ali didn't defeat Setsuna in an Enact, he got the better of him many times over, all before he got the Zwei.

And on the flip-side, having a Gundam doesn't always mean you're superior in a straight-out fight. Look at Mudie Holcroft.
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Probably. Gadesa is the Innovators' latest MS, which has just rolled out. Maybe Ribbons gave it to Ali, or the Gadesa are actually mass produced MS, and Ali just have one of them
Now that would be scary. Does that also present the possibility of Nena having one as well?
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Well said. I couldn't agree more with how you stated. Saji played a part in this however it is most certainly not his fault or a reason at all to hate him. He has no connection or loyalty to CB or Kataron.
Except Saji should have known full well:

1. A-LAWS is a division of the Earth Federation
2. The two are bed-buddies
3. Going to the city would mean he would get arrested one way or another

To ignore all three points? I say Saji is a complete dumbass. He's lucky that Sergei was even his interrogator, otherwise he would be dead right now.

EDIT: I should also point out that though Saji has no connection/loyalties to CB or Kataron, he knows full well that he doesn't want anyone getting hurt. He saw the kids at Kataron being taken care of, you think he'd want to snitch and get them killed? He already knows how A-LAWS does things.
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It isn't just the suit, it's his skill. Again, his first introduction. He was, custom aside, in a unit that, to any Gundam, was cannon fodder, and, though Ali didn't defeat Setsuna in an Enact, he got the better of him many times over, all before he got the Zwei.

And on the flip-side, having a Gundam doesn't always mean you're superior in a straight-out fight. Look at Mudie Holcroft.
Sergei has done the same too just he unlike Ali wasn't in a custom suit! He usually fights with a team but that shouldn't take away from him almost capturing two gundams, almost ripping the head off of Setsuna in a far inferior and non-custom suit, and giving Soma the opportunity to kill the perfect super soldier. Graham himself who took on the Trinity with his team of Overflag's lost badly and had one of his friends impaled by fangs.
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