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Old 2008-11-14, 08:24   Link #81
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Well to be honest it didn't worry me very much, it showed shes seemingly getting better. I do recall Izuru's response to Ichimarus name being said.. And Hisagi Saying "captain Tousen" so.. Considering the mental brainwashing hinamori was subtly put through I consider it impressive she can even fight. let alone summon the will to say "Captain Aizen is the enemy of soul soecity" and proceed to trap 3 Arrancar and cause a rather massive explosion in at least Apaches face. (We only see Apache in the explosion)

Also Does Rangiku forget the same worry Her Captain had for her? Similar in nature (she wasn't controlled really she just happens to have a unique relationship with one Gin Ichimaru) So I don't really know should we worry about both one or neither? Hell even Aizen said "Its nothing""it wont make a difference" He doesnt seem to care either way. I doubt hell try anything on her other then to kill her.. but then again hes trying to kill them all so.. I dont see the big deal here or maybe I am missing some key point?
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Old 2008-11-14, 08:27   Link #82
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Well, Apache was caught in the explosion, and she'd only just revealed the unreleased form of her zanpakuto. Doubt she'll be dead (and yet, I said she might have been several times ). but, hey.
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Old 2008-11-14, 09:41   Link #83
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Aizen's reaction to Hinamori's arrival surprised me. From the closeup of his eyes, Hinamori got his attention briefly

I expected Momo would turn up for the fight slightly deranged. But even though her head's messed up (probably), she was impressive. Anyone out there who's been hating on Orihime for being ineffective in battle should give Momo props for fighting bravely and intelligently when outnumbered. Maybe there's more steel to her than appears at first sight...
Ok, I finally had a chance to go back and read the whole thing, and I am not a Hinamori lover by NO Means, but I will give her Props, I was a bit impressed on how she handled the situation.... she may have some fighting skills there, but I still say "she is Crazy, as a freakin Squirrel on LSD " and because she can turn at any point, she needs to be watched closely...
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Old 2008-11-14, 09:46   Link #84
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Uh...right.

1) She's not crazy any more.

2) She's admitted wholeheartedly, egregious use of captain aside (though I'm sure that Kira used Captain Ichimaru and Hisagi used Captain Tousen from time to time after their betrayal), that Aizen is her enemy, and the enemy of everyone else.

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Old 2008-11-14, 09:58   Link #85
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Uh...right.

1) She's not crazy any more.

2) She's admitted wholeheartedly, egregious use of captain aside (though I'm sure that Kira used Captain Ichimaru and Hisagi used Captain Tousen from time to time after their betrayal), that Aizen is her enemy, and the enemy of everyone else.

Kubo: 1

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she is CRAZY !!!!!! It does not have anything to do with Her calling Aizen Captain, it has everything to do with her fragile state of mind... Please remember she is a victim of Azienís zanpakuto... and can snap at any moment... and BTW KUBO made her that way....

YEP CRAZY was the day is long..... border line Scary Crazy....
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Old 2008-11-14, 10:01   Link #86
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...And that was about hundreds of chapters ago. Rather, far over a hundred.

If she was so fucked up that she couldn't even fight, she wouldn't be on the battlefield.

And you want a person who's crazy? Look at Kaede from Shuffle!, or just about anyone from Higurashi.

Oh, and a lot of other people were tricked by Aizen's zanpakuto. You don't see them writhing on the floor and frothing at the mouth, do you?
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Old 2008-11-14, 10:30   Link #87
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...And that was about hundreds of chapters ago. Rather, far over a hundred.

If she was so fucked up that she couldn't even fight, she wouldn't be on the battlefield.

And you want a person who's crazy? Look at Kaede from Shuffle!, or just about anyone from Higurashi.

Oh, and a lot of other people were tricked by Aizen's zanpakuto. You don't see them writhing on the floor and frothing at the mouth, do you?
Never said she could not fight, actually stated the opposite, she showed exception skills, to the point she suprised even me.. as for her being on the battlefield, hey we still don't know who let her out of the Crazy house, and not everyone who is Crazy is on the floor frothing at the mouth....

Hinamori is that type of Crazy...I would call "Scary Crazy"... you KNOW she is not all there, but to look at her she is normal, but once you let your guard down ...BANG ... The crazy comes out... as for Aizen's Zanpakuto, I am not sure, if the effects of his hyposis ability has longer effects, I need to find out... But Dude she is Crazy....What I call an "undercover bowl of fruit loops"... Mark my words...Just watch...
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Old 2008-11-14, 10:33   Link #88
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Replace "is" in "is crazy" with "was", and reverse just about every mention of craziness in your post, and you'd be right.
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Old 2008-11-14, 10:33   Link #89
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Loved how the chapter was titled "the Dregs of hypnosis". Got to wonder if that's Kubo giving a hint about Hinamori right there.
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Old 2008-11-14, 10:35   Link #90
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Really one ! is a enough.

As for the crazy issue.. She was never 'crazy' she went through a severe trauma. And she was in recovery from it. A slow one. I mean look at the after math you have Kira and Rangiku getting wasted I forget if Hisagi was involved. But they all used the Captain term AFTER the fact. And almost everyone has been under Aizens Shikai at one point all you have to do is see it. And so far it seems only Shinji could tear through it .. WHich is why Aizen was intimidated by him. (and probably why he did his best to make sure Shinji went away >_<) Hes screwed many people over.. None of them are as was said above frothing on the floor.

She had a trauma and those take recovery time. And Look at what Aizen said. "Its nothing" IT he doesnt care, Turn her? and have her do what ? shes given up her kido cloak.. everyone can see her and any captain could put her down and probably a few others. She is no threat to Soul Soecity, only to the enemies of it.

Yes the dregs of hypnosis though.. you know he could simply mean how horrible it is to fight your way out of. Or something different. It is a Vague tittle. Or it could mean She pulled herself up from the dregs of hypnosis.. or it could be sinister .. like I said vague.
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Old 2008-11-14, 10:35   Link #91
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Loved how the chapter was titled "the Dregs of hypnosis". Got to wonder if that's Kubo giving a hint about Hinamori right there...
I.E., she came out of those dregs?
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Old 2008-11-14, 10:41   Link #92
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I.E., she came out of those dregs?
Quite possibly , yes. Depends on which meaning of the word dregs you use:

1 : sediment contained in a liquid or precipitated from it : lees —usually used in plural
2 : the most undesirable part —usually used in plural <the dregs of society>

3 : the last remaining part : vestige —usually used in plural <the last dregs of fuel>

If you take meaning 3, then that means only the last traces of hypnosis and Aizen's control remain on Hinamori. If you take meaning 2, it suggests Hinamori is the most worthless and inconsequential victim of the hypnosis.

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Hinamori is that type of Crazy...I would call "Scary Crazy"... you KNOW she is not all there, but to look at her she is normal, but once you let your guard down ...BANG ... The crazy comes out... as for Aizen's Zanpakuto, I am not sure, if the effects of his hyposis ability has longer effects, I need to find out... But Dude she is Crazy....What I call an "undercover bowl of fruit loops"... Mark my words...Just watch...
I really don't know. It's possible. There is something truly fearless about her. She's tried to take on two captains in the past, hitseguya and Gin. To give a comparison: Kenpachi taking on Ichigo or Noitorra at a handicap? Okay, somewhat crazy. Hinamori challenging a captain? Now that's fighting without concern for the risk.
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Old 2008-11-14, 10:50   Link #93
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Disappointing.....very....disapointing...i was hoping agains all hope that it was anyone other than momo...oh well hopefully she'll get knocked out until the end or something
she ain't gonna be knocked out until aizen comes out of the fire. after so many years reading manga, u can roughly tell how some characters will end.

once aizen is out eiher she'll get killed trying to protect him from a shinigami secret technique (coz she's still has feelings for 'captain aizen') or she sacrifices herself in a bid to suicide with him, which predictably fails. then hitsy goes berserk and gets thrashed up pretty bad.
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Old 2008-11-14, 10:51   Link #94
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Quite possibly , yes. Depends on which meaning of the word dregs you use:

3 : the last remaining part : vestige —usually used in plural <the last dregs of fuel>

If you take meaning 3, then that means only the last traces of hypnosis and Aizen's control remain on Hinamori.

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It could also mean she was finally begun to push off the last remaining part of the manipulation and hypnosis as it was BOTH not just one. It depends on how you read it. so even there it is still vague. and left entirely to subjectivity.

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once aizen is out eiher she'll get killed trying to protect him from a shinigami secret technique (coz she's still has feelings for 'captain aizen') or she sacrifices herself in a bid to suicide with him, which predictably fails. then hitsy goes berserk and gets thrashed up pretty bad.

Or neither ?
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Old 2008-11-14, 11:00   Link #95
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I think what Bleach needs is a villain like Rigardo from Claymore. Some kick ass serious fighter who doesn't waste time listening to the enemy's conversation or justify his action or how bad ass he is. Just pure WIN. Cut down enemy, NEXT!

It's really lame how the bad guy gets to own the good guy at first then get owned later on. COME ON! It's been like that since the beginning of this arc :\
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Old 2008-11-14, 11:00   Link #96
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...Er...read, swordfinder:

"(Captain) Aizen...is the enemy of Soul Society."- Hinamori.

Yeah. Suicide bid.
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Old 2008-11-14, 11:13   Link #97
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I think what Bleach needs is a villain like Rigardo from Claymore. Some kick ass serious fighter who doesn't waste time listening to the enemy's conversation or justify his action or how bad ass he is. Just pure WIN. Cut down enemy, NEXT!
I don't think the bad guys are the problem. The unwritten rule in Bleach is the good guys never die. Our only hope is to wait for Aizen and Gin to start cutting people up.
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Old 2008-11-14, 11:23   Link #98
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Hi all! new to this thread

I get a feeling that Hinamori is not liked by many ppl here?

Back to topic I really hope Hinamori killed those three successfully, because it is about time to see the higher level fight...
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Old 2008-11-14, 11:26   Link #99
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Back to topic I really hope Hinamori killed those three successfully, because it is about time to see the higher level fight...
I hope not, they deserve a better death...
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Old 2008-11-14, 11:31   Link #100
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You know what a Smoke Shield is? Here:

"...This results in a cloud of smoke or dust obscuring the opponent.

...The cloud dissipates; and either the enemy is revealed without a scratch, or they're not there anymore, having jumped into the sky when nobody was looking, and are quickly descending upon the attacker's head."

It's so bleeding obvious that the smoke'll clear and that they'll have released and will be on the offensive.
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