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Old 2011-08-01, 08:47   Link #1001
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I see. So, assuming the SS are not part of the Raildex canon, Level Upper Arc = Index first arc.
Well yes, but it's not up for debate- the SS are canon.


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Well, at least physically.

I see then. So it could be completely possible that Misaki CAN bypass Touma's IB. OR NOT.
We honestly don't know.

Logically, like everything else, it shouldn't be able to.
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Old 2011-08-01, 18:51   Link #1002
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Thanks, man. I'll look up the SS now.
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Old 2011-08-02, 11:11   Link #1003
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Well yes, but it's not up for debate- the SS are canon.




We honestly don't know.

Logically, like everything else, it shouldn't be able to.
If it's a spell that doesn't require the user or the spell to directly touch Touma physically and Touma is unable to be aware or unknowingly dispels it himself, then I don't see a reason why Misaki can't control Touma.

But I have another prediction for that... which I'll go to the Abilities etc etc blah blah blah (Sorry, I forgot the name of the thread) thread to talk...
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Old 2011-08-02, 17:25   Link #1004
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If it's a spell that doesn't require the user or the spell to directly touch Touma physically and Touma is unable to be aware or unknowingly dispels it himself, then I don't see a reason why Misaki can't control Touma.
Because something like Divine Punishment had already happened.
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Old 2011-08-02, 17:42   Link #1005
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Because something like Divine Punishment had already happened.
But there's Ars Magna...
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Old 2011-08-02, 18:02   Link #1006
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Well, Ars Magna is reality warping, and it can affect Touma even with Imagine Breaker's protection.

Fortunately, Aureolus has been hit so hard with the Nerf Bat that it doesn't matter anymore.
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Old 2011-08-02, 18:03   Link #1007
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But there's Ars Magna...
Well, obviously Imagine Breaker must have power-up after that incident
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Old 2011-08-02, 18:39   Link #1008
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Well, obviously Imagine Breaker must have power-up after that incident
How'd y'know that?

I SAID HOW'D Y'KNOW THAAAT?
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Old 2011-08-02, 20:11   Link #1009
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How'd y'know that?

I SAID HOW'D Y'KNOW THAAAT?
Well... Ever since that incident, all the indirect spells had no effect on Touma like Angel Fall and Divine Punishment...
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Old 2011-08-02, 20:45   Link #1010
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Well... Ever since that incident, all the indirect spells had no effect on Touma like Angel Fall and Divine Punishment...
Or it could be you discovered a plot hole.

And it wouldn't be the first time you've discovered holes.

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Old 2011-08-02, 20:49   Link #1011
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Or it could be you discovered a plot hole.

And it wouldn't be the first time you've discovered holes.

BOOOOYAAAAA!
My explanation is less accusing and more diplomatic.

of course, I'm more than certain he just retcon the situation after Vol 2... And since it was way early in the game, it doesn't really affect much. But who's to say Imagine Breaker didn't get a tiny bit stronger after it's limit removal.
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Old 2011-08-02, 21:44   Link #1012
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You mean each time he gets IB chopped off, a bit of the powers inside him leaks and upgrades him for Kamachi's convenience?

Genius.
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Old 2011-08-03, 04:36   Link #1013
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You mean each time he gets IB chopped off, a bit of the powers inside him leaks and upgrades him for Kamachi's convenience?

Genius.
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With that kind of "discussion," you guys better take that elsewhere rather than continuing here...

Next.
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Old 2011-08-03, 22:13   Link #1015
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I admit this is a touchy one, but I'll get it straight to the point.

Spoiler for :
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Old 2011-08-03, 22:27   Link #1016
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I admit this is a touchy one, but I'll get it straight to the point.

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As far as I know, they're never mentioned within the novels.
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Old 2011-08-03, 22:30   Link #1017
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iirc Sherry uses a Golem that's a part of jewish magic.
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Old 2011-08-03, 22:42   Link #1018
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Lets not forget that only a relatively small minority within the Churches are actually magicians or even know about magic to begin with.

Even with the outside magic cabals, most of them are just harmless people tinkering around with cheap tricks.
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Old 2011-08-04, 06:24   Link #1019
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Hmm, how about magicians outside the Churches? For example,

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Old 2011-08-04, 07:04   Link #1020
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Hmm, how about magicians outside the Churches?
What about them? We know there are numerous magic cabals and clans that aren't Christianity- As long as they don't cause trouble, the churches wouldn't bother too much about them... Or more importantly, if they don't try to spread the teachings of Aleister Crowley.


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For example,

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I don't think that Universe would fit into the Toaruverse.

But if you try to make large magical organizations outside of any of the three Church's control, you're just asking for war.
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