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Old 2011-02-02, 17:40   Link #961
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Guys I just realized that if there was some power that "steals" other powers it can't be used to absorb Touma's ability. He will just block it. I think that he's really lucky guy. Think about it. Almost every 10 minutes in the anime in front of him is a naked girl. It's true that after this he's punished , but after all I still think he is not so misfortuned as he always says.

Well logically speaking, assuming there is a technique to steal the ability of negating power, wouldn't that just cause the user to lose his power in the first place ?

Say for example that guy from [Heroes] copied Imagine Breaker, it would just cause him to lose all the power he had before.

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Well if you mind typical shounen characters like Sasuke and Naruto... you're right, Touma has very solid beliefs.
The typical shounen hold on to one thought and one thought alone- Comrades. Whatever happens, no matter what the enemy say, they have that one line to fall back on.

It's not the same as Touma.
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Old 2011-02-02, 18:15   Link #962
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That will be an epic fail moment when the ability absorber loses all previously gained abilities and also gain extra misfortune.
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Old 2011-02-02, 18:22   Link #963
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Is it really justice, or just what he believes in?
It's not justice. Everyone else just thinks so, that he's a "righteous hero of justice"; Touma himself doesn't believe that - he just simply believes in his own values and beliefs. Things like "God" or "justice", "good" and "evil, "hero" and "villian" are all nothing but illusions created by humans. "Breaking" those illusions is what makes Touma extraordinary.

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An interesting topic that nobody seems to bring up is that for a 16-17 years old adolescent teenage boy, Touma have a very firm grasp of concept and his beliefs. No matter what his enemy says, they can never confuse or shake him or make him question himself.

How many of you can say that when you're 16?
Keep in mind that Touma is only 16, so he does waver and question himself sometimes, most concieveably when
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But his faith in himself, and everyone else, is his support through the direst of times; realizing this everytime, Touma never loses that faith.

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And being 17, I can VERY much say my beliefs are almost as strong as Touma's.
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Old 2011-02-02, 21:36   Link #964
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and that's the point. After the memory lost. He also lost his doubts. His will and beliefs become iron steel. But his not originally like that. It's like when he lost his past he can only look into the future or his present so he doesn't need to had doubts or time to waver anymore.
I must say, he has balls though...being able to charge an Archangel right into the depths of the Arctic without wavering...
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Old 2011-02-02, 21:45   Link #965
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well if you don't had past and only strive for your present or future then it can be done. Because their is nothing more to loose. He doesn't fear much from his past though he still keeps index around and even in his present state. Because he doesn't had time to waver he can do what ever he wants to do.

I wonder if their will be an arc where a childhood friend shows up though it's way past the time for a childhood friend to shows up because he already become one with the star
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Old 2011-02-02, 23:07   Link #966
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Old 2011-02-03, 00:40   Link #967
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I do have to say though- were Touma's parents fortunate or unfortunate to have a child with such power?

We know that Touya and Shinya are two extremely lucky people, their child was born with power, but was Touma's birth an unlucky event?
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Old 2011-02-03, 02:42   Link #968
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I do have to say though- were Touma's parents fortunate or unfortunate to have a child with such power?

We know that Touya and Shinya are two extremely lucky people, their child was born with power, but was Touma's birth an unlucky event?
Likely kind of unfortunate considering the kind of childhood Touma had.
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Old 2011-02-03, 02:49   Link #969
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Old 2011-02-03, 02:57   Link #970
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Old 2011-02-03, 06:20   Link #971
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Old 2011-02-03, 08:34   Link #972
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Old 2011-02-03, 10:21   Link #973
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Questions- Fiammas "third arm" is the form of a hawks claw. Is that a reference to Horus?
I think is a reference between legendary beast and a meaning.
Just like dragons are related to angels, Fiamma's claw resembles IMO to the Phoenix which is related to the miracles, fire and inmortality.

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But if Fiamma holds the Holy Right which defeated Lucifer and the power that Touma has made even the Holy Right withdraw in fear... It doesn't make sense for it to be Satan. Plus, Satan is in the age of 'Christianity' and thereby outdated. Toumas power is outside terms of 'Christianity'. ]
No, the christianity is just a way to understand God not the format which God belongs to.


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That's just with the right hand, imagine if it was the entire arm, or if it was his entire body like there have been some suggestions it should be.
Thats because the right still has a meaning for God just like Fiamma's power is on his right hand though manifested by the 3rd arm.

Fiamma said his 3rd arm was imperfect but after taking Touma's righ arm flesh does it really became perfect?
I think the answer is a NO, the perfect Holy Right must have been manifested trough Fiamma's own right hand.
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Old 2011-02-03, 22:38   Link #974
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I believe we should be this way: Aeon of Osiris is the format that Christian God belongs to. Each aeon has its own deities, and the new one replace the old.

I think this is really what being higher than god mean. You become the new god of the next era and the old god gets disqualified. So, the Christian God will be eating his own medicine on what he did to the Pagan Gods back in Aeon of Isis.
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I believe we should be this way: Aeon of Osiris is the format that Christian God belongs to. Each aeon has its own deities, and the new one replace the old.

I think this is really what being higher than god mean. You become the new god of the next era and the old god gets disqualified. So, the Christian God will be eating his own medicine on what he did to the Pagan Gods back in Aeon of Isis.
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Old 2011-02-04, 03:45   Link #976
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Well logically speaking, assuming there is a technique to steal the ability of negating power, wouldn't that just cause the user to lose his power in the first place ?

Say for example that guy from [Heroes] copied Imagine Breaker, it would just cause him to lose all the power he had before.
You mean Peter , but I can't remember how he copied the power's of Imagine Breaker. Peter's powers are to copy other powers and he doesn't need to make contact with the esper he tries to copy and in this series Imagine Breaker was "The Haitian" who can fully control his ability and can stop it if he wants so then Peter can copy it. I wish for mixing Heroes and To Aru Majutsu No Index. It will be really interesting to see how Touma will beat some evil asses like Sylar and Peter's father.
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Old 2011-02-04, 04:56   Link #977
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You mean Peter , but I can't remember how he copied the power's of Imagine Breaker. Peter's powers are to copy other powers and he doesn't need to make contact with the esper he tries to copy and in this series Imagine Breaker was "The Haitian" who can fully control his ability and can stop it if he wants so then Peter can copy it. I wish for mixing Heroes and To Aru Majutsu No Index. It will be really interesting to see how Touma will beat some evil asses like Sylar and Peter's father.

Going according to the 'Laws' of Toaruverse, Imagine Breaker is a power that can only exist on one person and cannot be copied.

I think it also went into specifics by saying, only the right hand attached to Kamijou Touma is the Imagine Breaker, or something along that line.
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Old 2011-02-04, 05:21   Link #978
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Going according to the 'Laws' of Toaruverse, Imagine Breaker is a power that can only exist on one person and cannot be copied.

I think it also went into specifics by saying, only the right hand attached to Kamijou Touma is the Imagine Breaker, or something along that line.
you're right. Only the right hand of Touma is Imagine Breaker. It cannot be copied because to copy it they have to use powers , doesn't matter magic or AIM , and Imagine Breaker blocks all kinds of powers so they are not able to copy them.
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Old 2011-02-04, 08:28   Link #979
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I believe we should be this way: Aeon of Osiris is the format that Christian God belongs to. Each aeon has its own deities, and the new one replace the old.

I think this is really what being higher than god mean. You become the new god of the next era and the old god gets disqualified. So, the Christian God will be eating his own medicine on what he did to the Pagan Gods back in Aeon of Isis.
The problem is Good seems to be missing. And only his angels are there taking care of the system left by him.
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Old 2011-02-04, 08:33   Link #980
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The problem is Good seems to be missing. And only his angels are there taking care of the system left by him.
If that's so then the situation is familiar with "Supernatural" where God was dead and only the Archangels and Angels were taking care for the Earth.
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