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Old 2009-08-13, 14:15   Link #3201
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I just thought about this - maybe/probably it was already mentioned but... - in Ep2 Battler met Beatrice in the end.
However, if there are only 17 persons (as Beatrice stated in red in Ep4 Tea Pary) on the island that would mean that at least another person would have to be dead beforehand (like it is with Kinzo) - or at least not be on the island - because otherwise the person "Beatrice" can't be explained or that "Beatrice" was someone else in disguise without Battler noticing it - however, I don't know which person could be able to disguise as Beatrice without anyone else noticing because of "size differences" and such things.
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Old 2009-08-13, 15:07   Link #3202
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I just thought about this - maybe/probably it was already mentioned but... - in Ep2 Battler met Beatrice in the end.
However, if there are only 17 persons (as Beatrice stated in red in Ep4 Tea Pary) on the island that would mean that at least another person would have to be dead beforehand (like it is with Kinzo) - or at least not be on the island - because otherwise the person "Beatrice" can't be explained or that "Beatrice" was someone else in disguise without Battler noticing it - however, I don't know which person could be able to disguise as Beatrice without anyone else noticing because of "size differences" and such things.

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Old 2009-08-13, 18:59   Link #3203
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About the siesta I guess you missed the earlier discussions. The siestas are Maria's ceramic rabbits. There's overwhelming evidence about that. One of Maria's rabbit was destroyed by Rosa and that is why the fourth siesta is dead (killed by the evil witch).
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Old 2009-08-13, 20:12   Link #3204
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Just something random I thought while watching the anime:

Episode 2, Maria's candy gets obliterated by Rosa, then Beatrice uses magic to fix it. At one point, Beatrice wants Battler to explain this, since Rosa witnessed it. There's an incredibly simple solution to this...
Maria meets Beatrice.
She gives Beato the sucker that she had brought for her.
Beato notices Maria's broken one and tells her to close her eyes.
Beatrice does *magic*
Beatrice gives Maria back the "broken" candy.

Who's to say Beato just didn't pocket the broken one and give the fresh one to Maria? ;D
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Old 2009-08-13, 20:35   Link #3205
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I thought the exact same thing when watching that scene. XD
Her own candy seems to have disappeared, too.
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Old 2009-08-13, 21:18   Link #3206
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I guess the question is just "What did Rosa see", but then again, maybe she was behind that scene herself.
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Old 2009-08-14, 02:36   Link #3207
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Old 2009-08-14, 03:06   Link #3208
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I think I've seen that theory several times before already (the "names = 1 person" one, at least; I know I've brought up "furniture != people" in the past as well), but it really would feel like a cheap way out to include multiple people as one person... all the crimes become way too simple.
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Old 2009-08-14, 03:23   Link #3209
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Old 2009-08-14, 03:30   Link #3210
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Genji escorted him. Genji is also the one who gave him the drinks so.
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Old 2009-08-14, 03:32   Link #3211
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I think I've seen that theory several times before already (the "names = 1 person" one, at least; I know I've brought up "furniture != people" in the past as well), but it really would feel like a cheap way out to include multiple people as one person... all the crimes become way too simple.
Okay then. =X
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He was escorted by Genji.
EDIT: Beaten. =X
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Old 2009-08-14, 03:39   Link #3212
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I don't mean to shoot you down though, it's just that it's less crazy than you think
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Old 2009-08-14, 03:42   Link #3213
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Personally I have a lot crazier theories in mind, which will probably bite the dust come tomorrow, August 15.
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Old 2009-08-14, 03:44   Link #3214
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I don't mean to shoot you down though, it's just that it's less crazy than you think
Nah, its okay. I'll just have to think again.
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Old 2009-08-14, 06:41   Link #3215
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Ok so I just finished this and I am slightly confused.

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Old 2009-08-14, 09:36   Link #3216
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btw im thinking that in the 4th EP the one who gives maria letter is a man instead of woman (duh). i think it is different from the 3 others also because: i watched the anime and remembered the scene where they aknowledge Beatrice as the witch, the alchemy councilor AND the master of the mansion. i think this is important point because it is the kinzo doing the killings (in anti-mystery POV) in EP4 instead of beatrice. maybe the one they aknowledged "Kinzo" (successor of the ushiromiya family as battler suspects) was woman in all EPs expect in EP4.

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Old 2009-08-14, 10:12   Link #3217
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Well, it was said in red on EP 3 that "furniture" is considered human for people/corpse counting. And about the Battler theory, (if you are saying the 2 were on the island, with the "You" from "You are all alone..." refering to them) it was said before (by Jan-Poo) that on japanese, they used a word (Anata?) which can only refer to one person.
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Old 2009-08-14, 10:48   Link #3218
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Well, it was said in red on EP 3 that "furniture" is considered human for people/corpse counting. And about the Battler theory, (if you are saying the 2 were on the island, with the "You" from "You are all alone..." refering to them) it was said before (by Jan-Poo) that on japanese, they used a word (Anata?) which can only refer to one person.
No I meant that "you" referred to "Ushiromiya Battler" as a whole, meaning anyone under the name Ushiromiya Battler is counted as "you", making the statement equivalent to "Ushiromiya Battler is all alone on this island." Thus, since both of them are "Ushiromiya Battler", they are counted as one, because it is true that only "Ushiromiya Battler" exists on the island as no one else with another name exists on the island anymore.
*Okay fine, its like confusing. =.=* *Well, I'm not so clever, so I'll just wait for the answer. ;X*
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Old 2009-08-14, 10:52   Link #3219
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Ok, I've gone through Episode 4 again, and looking back on it, this thing is seriously driving me absolutely insane. Absolutely none of it makes sense, whether I look at it from the "magic" theory or the "human" theory. I don't even know where to begin with the inconsistencies, and these have all probably been pointed out before, but...

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There are lots of other problems and weird things that I can't just put together in a meaningful way, but for the time being that's the one that's really bugging me.
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Old 2009-08-14, 10:58   Link #3220
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*Okay fine, its like confusing. =.=* *Well, I'm not so clever, so I'll just wait for the answer. ;X*
It's ok we're all confused at this point.
It's only safe to assume there are about 0-8 Battlers (Two for each game or mabye one per game or mabye none at all! )

My question to the whole "I will now...kill you." thing is the timing of it. Obviously gameboard Battler doesn't die at the end of episode 4 so when does this red text become the truth?
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