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Old 2009-01-04, 13:02   Link #321
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That's not true as 34's text says only Kanon can use his name, it doesn't say he's only person who can use the name "Kanon".
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Old 2009-01-04, 13:05   Link #322
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It states pretty well that no one else aside of the kanon we know can use such name. Ergo, there is only 1 character named Kanon.
The only loophole would be "kanon" isn't this character name, but it would be completely on the left field considering the syntax.
But Kanon has a name other then Kanon
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Old 2009-01-04, 13:09   Link #323
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But Kanon has a name other then Kanon
EDIT: I see, so actually, if we take the line in its literal sense: if Kanon's true name is "X", it means Kanon's name (which is X) can only be used by Kanon.
By this extention, it doesn't have any effect to "kanon", just "X" that nobody knows...

Well, that is quite a bit far fetched by the syntax itself. It does work, but I'm kinda unconviced that lambda had to use such artificial trick despite she didn't claim anything for Kinzo and what not...

bah *scratches head*

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Old 2009-01-04, 13:14   Link #324
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As with most mysteries, we are missing something. Something important.

No I don't know what it is. My feelings say it has to do with Battler
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Old 2009-01-04, 13:16   Link #325
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As with most mysteries, we are missing something. Something important.

No I don't know what it is. My feelings say it has to do with Battler
What we are missing is actually just like in Higurashi: not especially the true identity of the culprit, but the possible motives.
Until now, the victory conditions and the gain from such mess are difficult to gauge (and all this play just for the gold is really dubious and proved otherwise in the 4 episodes already). That and the modus operandi (considering the few options we get with the "no 18 or more" people condition).

The motives might be related to the original Battler, but past this point, there is only wild guess... well that is still an assumption.
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Old 2009-01-04, 13:20   Link #326
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This isn't possible due to Lambda's red truth. Kanon had this name ever since he graduated from the Fukuin house and she stated clearly that only the person himself can bear such name.
That only means that nobody else can be Kanon, not that Kanon can't reclaim his old identity.
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Old 2009-01-04, 13:22   Link #327
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That only means that nobody else can be Kanon, not that Kanon can't reclaim his old identity.
That's correct, but the problem is that this line is used in Episode 2. Therefore, regardless if Kanon regained his previous identity or not, he was there in front of Shannon, Genji, Gohda, Kumasawa and Nanjo.

it obviously doesn't contradict what beatrice said, that he was killed in Jessica's room. But somehow, his corpse was thrown in front of them, and "something" happened.
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Is it "killed" or "died" in Jessica's room? I'm am unclear as to the context, but in some languages the meaning of said words can be shifted to mean something other than death in the physical sense. If it was "Kanon died in Jessica's room" it could mean he ceased being "Kanon" in there, rather than being dead, or that his spirit died (was crushed or something of that nature) there and thus Kanon is effectively dead, but still physically alive.

Or it could mean exactly what it says...just to confuse things even more than they already are.
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That's what we thought before, as the tips says he "died".
However, in game in episode 2, Beatrice clearly said: Kanon was killed in this room.
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Old 2009-01-04, 13:51   Link #330
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Random thought: Could Beatrice be the baby that died the day Battler was born? Or to make it weirder, could Beatrice be Battler (as others see "him"), and Battler is Beatrice (or did they go over that). Assuming Battler doesn't have a split personality, or carrying around the remains of a twin in his body.
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Old 2009-01-04, 14:20   Link #331
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Random thought: Could Beatrice be the baby that died the day Battler was born? Or to make it weirder, could Beatrice be Battler (as others see "him"), and Battler is Beatrice (or did they go over that). Assuming Battler doesn't have a split personality, or carrying around the remains of a twin in his body.
It's possible, but with conditions.
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Old 2009-01-04, 14:32   Link #332
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Hmmm.

The Typhoon would have been Carmen, historically speaking, as that was the only Typhoon in existance on the two days presented to us.
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Old 2009-01-04, 18:56   Link #336
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Not necessary.

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Old 2009-01-04, 19:43   Link #337
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Did Kinzo ever have any name other than Kinzo, though? I don't think I'd view it as a title like *on unless it was stated at one point.
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Old 2009-01-04, 19:50   Link #338
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Another Non-Occurence

Spoiler for Kinzo:

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Old 2009-01-04, 19:52   Link #339
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Correct, although I think you might want a spoiler tag there.
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