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Old 2009-02-01, 05:03   Link #501
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Poll is working now. I'm not sure who to vote for... hmm...

Why is Rosa so high though? This chapter made me hate her more than ever

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Who ever made that site had wayyy too much time on their hands.
Nah, it's a bizzare marketing campaign done by a makeup company that targets men where you upload a face pic and it sticks it into the template. Still hilarious though.
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Old 2009-02-01, 14:44   Link #502
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Not suprisingly (?) Eva-Beatrice won the first day's poll... Ep3 sure left a strong impact. (and probably the end part of ep4)
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Old 2009-02-01, 15:02   Link #503
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I'm stuck between Ange and Battler...
Also why is Hanyuu on the list?
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Old 2009-02-01, 15:17   Link #504
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same reason as why "「断る」心理テクニック" is on the list...people can add their own entries on the poll
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Old 2009-02-01, 15:23   Link #505
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Old 2009-02-01, 15:48   Link #506
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Old 2009-02-01, 18:39   Link #507
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Hello everyone! I've been watching this forum and other Umineko forums for a while, but I have finally registered in order to present my theory for Battler.

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I bet there's a bunch of things wrong with this, but I'm most going off of summaries of Episode Four since I don't actually have it yet >3>
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Old 2009-02-01, 23:31   Link #508
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The fact Kyrie got a miscarriage just ruins any theory involving a baby swap.

Also, considering episode 3, what actually happened is that Kyrie and Rudolf were going out, and Asumu barged in the fray and managed to take advantage of Rudolf's weakness to have a child with him.
The birth of original battler was the reason why rudolf had to get married with Asumu, they were not married before that.
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Old 2009-02-01, 23:51   Link #509
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Hello everyone! I've been watching this forum and other Umineko forums for a while, but I have finally registered in order to present my theory for Battler.

Spoiler for The Other and Real Battler:

I bet there's a bunch of things wrong with this, but I'm most going off of summaries of Episode Four since I don't actually have it yet >3>
Welcome to the forums. ^^

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The fact Kyrie got a miscarriage just ruins any theory involving a baby swap.

Also, considering episode 3, what actually happened is that Kyrie and Rudolf were going out, and Asumu barged in the fray and managed to take advantage of Rudolf's weakness to have a child with him.
The birth of original battler was the reason why rudolf had to get married with Asumu, they were not married before that.
But I'd have to agree with this. Kyrie tells us the story when she battles Leviathan. She'd never want to give Asumu her baby on these circumstances.
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Old 2009-02-02, 00:02   Link #510
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The fact Kyrie got a miscarriage just ruins any theory involving a baby swap.
It wasn't stated in red
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Old 2009-02-02, 00:07   Link #511
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It wasn't stated in red
Since this information is not given by Beato herself, I don't think it will be required to be in red, especially it doesn't benefit her one bit in Episode 3 or 4.

Furthermore, it doesn't exactly make sense for Kyrie to think like this without specific truth, until she got cheated to a ridiculous level.
If it was stillbirth, I could understand, but it is impossible to deceive with miscarriage.
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Old 2009-02-02, 00:15   Link #512
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Furthermore, it doesn't exactly make sense for Kyrie to think like this without specific truth, until she got cheated to a ridiculous level.
If it was stillbirth, I could understand, but it is impossible to deceive with miscarriage.
We don't know if it was Kyrie who was the one thinking that
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Old 2009-02-02, 00:55   Link #513
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Who do you propose was thinking it instead?
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Old 2009-02-02, 00:57   Link #514
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Who do you propose was thinking it instead?
......... don't know
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Old 2009-02-02, 04:31   Link #515
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Who do you propose was thinking it instead?
If we take the the magic scenes as Beatrice telling Battler about scenes he could not witness, perhaps the dialogs were also created by her.

By I don't see the point in faking information like this. I mean it in script-writer level.
Most probably Kyrie thinks/believes she had a miscarriage.

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(completely ignorant in biology speaking now)

Why can't Kyrie be deceived with a (fake) miscarriage?

I've read somewhere that miscarriage happens up to 24 weeks (6 months). Couldn't Kyrie have felt sick, taken to a hospital, passed out and woken up with the miscarriage 'bad news' = fake miscarriage+kidnapped baby?
6 months babies are very weak but are not impossible to survive.
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Old 2009-02-02, 10:12   Link #516
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Isn't this similar to the "recollection" of Natsuhi when he went to talk to Kinzo and got all that courage, in ep1? You have someone interact with some fantasy element, then does some inner thinking becuase of that.

Sure I agree that there's no point faking that kind of info, but perhaps there's a deeper meaning for that scene.
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Old 2009-02-02, 11:37   Link #517
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Why can't Kyrie be deceived with a (fake) miscarriage?

I've read somewhere that miscarriage happens up to 24 weeks (6 months). Couldn't Kyrie have felt sick, taken to a hospital, passed out and woken up with the miscarriage 'bad news' = fake miscarriage+kidnapped baby?
6 months babies are very weak but are not impossible to survive.
They aren't simply weak, the morbidity rate is drastically so high that preterm birth around 20 weeks are pretty much exposed to brain damage, infections etc.
Doing such stunt has a much larger risk of mortality (IIRC, preterm babies have only 50% chance of survival around 24 weeks), and the lucky survivors are absolutely not spared of numerous health issues.
Basically, one must be insane doing that: it would go against the purpose of kidnapping the baby. A regular kidnapping and a fake corpse would be much more "realistic" than this.
Rather, it is like an assassination attempt with a cover (which could be done with teratogen drugs).

Honestly, it doesn't make sense at all for such kind of stunt.

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Isn't this similar to the "recollection" of Natsuhi when he went to talk to Kinzo and got all that courage, in ep1? You have someone interact with some fantasy element, then does some inner thinking becuase of that.

Sure I agree that there's no point faking that kind of info, but perhaps there's a deeper meaning for that scene.
Since Kinzo was shown always from behind during that scene, there is absolutely no reason to doubt Natsuhi met "him", though there is no red text that stated "Natsuhi acknowledged Kinzo's existence for episode 1".
As such, we cannot remove the possibility that this really happened (especially considering Natsuhi self righteousness). There is a leeway that she could have been deceived here.

Furthermore, I question the existence of the "witch side" for Episode 1, if we consider the timeline of the events with the meta world (until it is like onikakushi, with some chessboards beforehand, but Tea Party 1 implies otherwise).

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Old 2009-02-02, 12:18   Link #518
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Why can't Kyrie be deceived with a (fake) miscarriage?

I've read somewhere that miscarriage happens up to 24 weeks (6 months). Couldn't Kyrie have felt sick, taken to a hospital, passed out and woken up with the miscarriage 'bad news' = fake miscarriage+kidnapped baby?
6 months babies are very weak but are not impossible to survive.
Even if that happened, why would they kidnap a foetus? Who would have done it? Kinzo doesn't seem to leave Rokkenjima at all, and there's no hospital on the island. Maybe Nanjo could have been working in the hospital Kyrie went to or something. But I don't really see why anyone would want to kidnap her unborn son.
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Old 2009-02-02, 13:10   Link #519
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Why can't Kyrie be deceived with a (fake) miscarriage?

I've read somewhere that miscarriage happens up to 24 weeks (6 months). Couldn't Kyrie have felt sick, taken to a hospital, passed out and woken up with the miscarriage 'bad news' = fake miscarriage+kidnapped baby?
6 months babies are very weak but are not impossible to survive.
Even assuming he survives through everything that Klash mentioned, he probably wouldn't be tall.

I think it would be nice if Battler was Kyrie's son, but I'm with Klash in that I don't see a real logical way for it to happen, though that doesn't necessarily mean their isn't one.
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Old 2009-02-02, 16:04   Link #520
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The only way I see it happening is if she doesn't mean "miscarriage" literally, but I have no idea why that would be the case. If she actually had a miscarriage, or there was a fetus kidnapping (what the hell?) there is basically no way the child would survive.

Unless you think the "homunculi" mentioned in the story are kidnapped and reimplanted fetuses and there was some kind of super-advanced technology for the time making it possible, that's pretty much a dead end. And if the end solution is that completely ridiculous, I'd rather buy into the "magic" explanation.
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