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Old 2009-03-23, 21:49   Link #641
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Spoiler for ep4 first patch :


to know further than the first english patch you need to ask on the ep4 thread.
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Old 2009-03-23, 21:52   Link #642
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That really was a guess. I felt good until the story said the theory blatantly to me.
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Old 2009-03-23, 21:56   Link #643
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Have you played "Shadow of Memories" perhaps? ^^;
Your theory reminds me a lot of what hapens in that game
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Old 2009-03-23, 22:37   Link #644
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Old 2009-03-23, 22:49   Link #645
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That is correct, that is the beginning of Chapter 10.
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Old 2009-03-24, 09:14   Link #646
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Ok, I don't want answers from those who already know but..
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Old 2009-03-24, 09:36   Link #647
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Ok, I don't want answers from those who already know but..
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Spoiler for Episode4 bottles:
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Old 2009-03-24, 14:11   Link #648
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Spoiler for Portrait and Epitaph, Episode 4:


Also, I have never even heard of Shadow of Memories before.

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Old 2009-03-24, 16:12   Link #649
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I also have a feeling that

Spoiler for My thoughts:
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Old 2009-03-24, 18:04   Link #650
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Spoiler for Another mindscrew theory:
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The Meta World reminds you that the Delicious Companion Burger will never threaten to stab you, and, in fact, cannot speak.
In the event that the Delicious Companion Burger does speak, The Meta World urges you to disregard it's advice.
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Old 2009-03-24, 21:27   Link #651
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I also have a feeling that

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Old 2009-03-24, 22:18   Link #652
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Can someone explain to me what a Probatio Diabolica is?
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Old 2009-03-24, 22:38   Link #653
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Can someone explain to me what a Probatio Diabolica is?
Probatio Diabolica is Latin for Devil's Proof.

In a nutshell it's 'Just because you can't prove something exists, doesn't mean it doesn't'

An example is with the imaginary device that can shoot stakes in Episode 1. Battler can't prove it happened, but as long as there is no definite proof against it happening then that doesn't mean it can't exist. If no definite proof exists then he can claim there is such a weapon, but of course that isn't necessarily true. This is Devil's Proof - It's true because it can't be proved untrue.

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It's basically a paradox of thoughts.
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Old 2009-03-25, 02:37   Link #654
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Old 2009-03-25, 07:26   Link #655
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Was the wording of the message in episode 1 the same as the wording in Onikakushi-hen?
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Old 2009-03-25, 08:17   Link #656
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Spoiler for umineko and higurashi :
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Old 2009-03-25, 08:34   Link #657
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Spoiler for episode4:
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Old 2009-03-25, 09:56   Link #658
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After rereading the endroll of Episode 1 where they mention the bottle, it turns out we are never actually given the whole contents of the notes. We only get the last few sentences where Maria asks to know the truth. Most of the endroll is explaining the situation on the island after the murder, the conditions the bodies were found in, how they identified Maria through dental records etc.

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And so, let us tie this tale to the last sentence of the notebook fragment that Ushiromiya Maria left.

By the time you have read this, I will probably be dead.
The only difference will be whether there is a body or not.
You who have read this.
Please find out the truth.
That's my only wish.

Ushiromiya Maria
So it's very likely that the note from the first Episode is very similar, if not identical to the ones mentioned in Episode 4.

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Old 2009-03-25, 11:37   Link #659
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Spoiler for Episode 1 note:


No comment on any messages in episode 4, which I haven't read.
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Old 2009-03-25, 15:34   Link #660
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Probatio Diabolica is Latin for Devil's Proof.

In a nutshell it's 'Just because you can't prove something exists, doesn't mean it doesn't'

An example is with the imaginary device that can shoot stakes in Episode 1. Battler can't prove it happened, but as long as there is no definite proof against it happening then that doesn't mean it can't exist. If no definite proof exists then he can claim there is such a weapon, but of course that isn't necessarily true. This is Devil's Proof - It's true because it can't be proved untrue.

Spoiler for Episode 3:


It's basically a paradox of thoughts.
Thanks. So is Probatio Diabolica a kind of fallacy?
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