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Old 2008-12-02, 18:25   Link #41
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I'm surprised they're agreeing to Boas every request. Impel Down? Sure why not. But NO reason to see Ace. Plus if all the other Shchibukai are at the holy land or wherever then thats where boa should be too. Surprising at all these side quests they're allowing.
Oh there can be reasons...
Impel down? considering that Ace is the whole reason for Whitebeard's movement towards war, it makes sense that releasing Ace would be a highly possible priority... as such, until Ace is moved to his execution site, Impel down should be considered a prime target for attack

Going down to see Ace? That's purely personal, she wants to see and spit upon the face of the man who is the reason she is getting dragged into a war with whitebeard
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Old 2008-12-02, 18:30   Link #42
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Given how quickly things have developed, Luffy and Ace might be face to face as early as next week!

Will Garp still be there? I don't know what tactics/plans Luffy and Hancock have discussed but I doubt Luffy would show much patience. Maybe the first person he'll have to fight is Garp...?

With Dragon being mentioned again, I also feel there's a good chance he'll show up (not for the first time either). He showed up for Luffy once, though they didn't "meet". Surely he could show up for Ace, particularly if he could help tip the scales in the situation. With the death-flags around Whitebeard, meeting his real father would be either be cruel or opportune...


With regards to Akainu, I doubt he'd be personally in charge of the prison (ie he wouldn't be the prison warder), because it would restrict his movements too much. However, it's quite possible that a direct subordinate of him is the warder (like how Sentomaru is direct subordinate of Kizaru and has a dedicated job). I think we'll find out pretty soon - you'd think that with a Shichibukai around as a guest, the prison warden would want to be around.
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Old 2008-12-02, 18:37   Link #43
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With regards to Akainu, I doubt he'd be personally in charge of the prison (ie he wouldn't be the prison warder), because it would restrict his movements too much. However, it's quite possible that a direct subordinate of him is the warder (like how Sentomaru is direct subordinate of Kizaru and has a dedicated job). I think we'll find out pretty soon - you'd think that with a Shichibukai around as a guest, the prison warden would want to be around.
I agree that Akainu will probably not be the warden, but I have to say that Akainu will probably at or near Impel Down. Specifically, the Admirals have been fairly localized with Aokiji staying more or less at Eneis Lobby and Kizaru was actually at Majorie, so I wouldn't be too surprised if Akainu always stays close to Impel Down.

If nothing else, this would be a good time to introduce the last Admiral.
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Old 2008-12-02, 18:48   Link #44
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I'm surprised they're agreeing to Boas every request. Impel Down? Sure why not. But NO reason to see Ace. Plus if all the other Shchibukai are at the holy land or wherever then thats where boa should be too. Surprising at all these side quests they're allowing.
Things were discussed in advance - she's going there alone as far as the Marines are concerned, and it is rather "on the way". She may have explained her reasons as wanting to see the reason why she needs to risk her life against Whitebeard. From the Marines point of view, she'd probably be considered the last Shichibukai to help out a guy.

She's also has Haoushoku Haki and is a beautiful woman.

But, if the prison warden has any sense, he'd join the prison visit group...



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I wanna see what Luffy does. Is Garp still there? I doubt he'll let Luffy break Ace out.
It will be interesting to see how Garp reacts. I doubt he'll want to lose both his grandsons in quick succession, but he's no milksop that's for sure. On the other hand, Luffy's motivation will be huge, and I doubt Garp's heart will be 100% in it.

Personally, I'm most interested in seeing what Hancock will do. With extreme Haki, can she do something about seastone (!!??)... or can she bend the person with the key to her will? Ace would be bound with seastone too.
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Old 2008-12-02, 18:48   Link #45
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Hmmm now that I think of it, it will be overkill if just any 2 Admirals were to be at the same place.

Is Kizaru staying on Impel Down, or has he returned to Marijoa after throwing the 500 pirates behind bars? If Akainu is going to appear, together with Kizaru, it would be very much overkill.

Of course we already have all the Shichibukai present, but I'm very sure each of them has something up their own sleeves.

If Admirals were to gather, no matter their views on Justice, they are fighting well on the side of the World Government and is overkill with just their power alone. These 3 men are equal to 7 Shichibukai or 4 Yonkou, so you can say the Admirals are the single most powerful people around.
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Old 2008-12-02, 18:52   Link #46
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I agree that Akainu will probably not be the warden, but I have to say that Akainu will probably at or near Impel Down. Specifically, the Admirals have been fairly localized with Aokiji staying more or less at Eneis Lobby and Kizaru was actually at Majorie, so I wouldn't be too surprised if Akainu always stays close to Impel Down.

If nothing else, this would be a good time to introduce the last Admiral.
Given how Sengoku wanted people prepared against a strike on Impel Down, it'd be surprising if there isn't a big shot (such as Akainu) in the area.

Another possibility is that Akainu had always been tasked with the job of escorting Ace from Impel Down to the execution place.
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Old 2008-12-02, 18:57   Link #47
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Another possibility is that Akainu had always been tasked with the job of escorting Ace from Impel Down to the execution place.
that would be a very strong possibility, given that this would be one of the most dangerious jobs. that is one of the times that the attempt to get ACE back could happen. it would be one of the best oppertunities that WB would have. if he can't get into impel down.
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I'ts about Akainu showed up.

Things are getting better and intense with each chapter, I think right now, One piece is at the top of the shonen list right now. I can't wait for the next chapter.
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Old 2008-12-02, 19:05   Link #49
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If Admirals were to gather, no matter their views on Justice, they are fighting well on the side of the World Government and is overkill with just their power alone. These 3 men are equal to 7 Shichibukai or 4 Yonkou, so you can say the Admirals are the single most powerful people around.
iirc, aren't the 3 powers World Government, Yonkous, and Shichibukais? if that's so, it means that the power of the 3 admirals alone isn't enough to match those of the 7 Shichibukais nor of the 4 Yonkous.

If they were truly as powerful as you think they are, then there really wouldn't have been any need to get the Shichibukais on board for this war
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Old 2008-12-02, 19:10   Link #50
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Eh, I still like the idea of Akainu being Impel Down's warden because it would be further proof of his obsession with "absolute justice", but... whatever. One of his subordinates running the joint is fine with me, too.



Heh, I wonder when exactly Buggy was arrested? This means that either he was also at Sabaody during the time Luffy KO'ed Charlos, or he was arrested at a different place, at a different time for some unrelated matter. Either way, here's to hoping that he flashes things up in the coming chapters!
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Old 2008-12-02, 19:15   Link #51
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iirc, aren't the 3 powers World Government, Yonkous, and Shichibukais? if that's so, it means that the power of the 3 admirals alone isn't enough to match those of the 7 Shichibukais nor of the 4 Yonkous.

If they were truly as powerful as you think they are, then there really wouldn't have been any need to get the Shichibukais on board for this war
Well, the way I view it is:

3 Admirals + Marines
7 Shichibukai
4 Emperors + their crew

The Marines and crew would just cancel each other out, leaving the big names fighting each other lol

But then the Shichibukai themselves are problems for both the WG and the Yonkou, they are random variables which WG do not have full control.

Indeed the WG bringing in all the Shichibukai just for Whitebeard seems to be showing that they are kind of afraid of him. But I'm sure Sengoku had to do that because he's afraid of other variables and possibilites. Like probably Shanks giving Whitebeard a hand, or worse Dragon bringing in his revolutionaries in to crash the party, this along with the chance that a certain few Shichibukai going berserk or having plans of their own.
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Old 2008-12-02, 19:24   Link #52
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Well, the way I view it is:

3 Admirals + Marines
7 Shichibukai
4 Emperors + their crew

The Marines and crew would just cancel each other out, leaving the big names fighting each other lol

But then the Shichibukai themselves are problems for both the WG and the Yonkou, they are random variables which WG do not have full control.

Indeed the WG bringing in all the Shichibukai just for Whitebeard seems to be showing that they are kind of afraid of him. But I'm sure Sengoku had to do that because he's afraid of other variables and possibilites. Like probably Shanks giving Whitebeard a hand, or worse Dragon bringing in his revolutionaries in to crash the party, this along with the chance that a certain few Shichibukai going berserk or having plans of their own.
The Shichibukai's crews are not counted? They could provide some influence. Also, do you think that the revolutionaries have the power to tip the balance?
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The Shichibukai's crews are not counted? They could provide some influence. Also, do you think that the revolutionaries have the power to tip the balance?
The revolutionaries have "freed" multiple islands, even when (presumably) fighting against large military forces. Added to that Dragon is the most wanted man in the world, not Whitebeard. I wouldn't be surprised if the WG staged this entire event specifically to draw Dragon out of hiding.
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The Shichibukai's crews are not counted? They could provide some influence. Also, do you think that the revolutionaries have the power to tip the balance?
The Shichibukai by right, were supposed to abandon their crews, they were supposed to give up their names as pirates and sell themselves to the WG.

But of course WG themselves know that they are still pirates and still keep crews, but they still need the power of the Shichibukai as a balancing force.

The Shichibukai are only able to keep crews either because they kept it a secret(Crocodile or Doflamingo) or that their crew have no bounty on them(Moria, Hancock and Blackbeard). The Marines close an eye since the Shichibukai are under the WG.

When the Shichibukai are actually summoned for something big like the upcoming fight, they can't bring their crew along.

Dragon's revolutionaries must be very strong, for Dragon to be the most wanted and to give the WG such a headache.
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Dragon's revolutionaries must be very strong, for Dragon to be the most wanted and to give the WG such a headache.
Not necessarily, you don't have to be strong to be powerful, nor to be dangerous, the most wanted, not even to give someone a headache....

Knowledge, and more so when it is classified information, can make anyone a VERY powerful individual

NOTE: I'm not saying that he isn't powerful, I'm just saying that I don't think that strength alone is what makes him the most wanted man
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Not necessarily, you don't have to be strong to be powerful, nor to be dangerous, the most wanted, not even to give someone a headache....

Knowledge, and more so when it is classified information, can make anyone a VERY powerful individual

NOTE: I'm not saying that he isn't powerful, I'm just saying that I don't think that strength alone is what makes him the most wanted man
Well, I credited Dragon being the most wanted, to the strength of his revolutionaries. And yes I agree with you that its not just pure power that makes someone strong.

Dragon may know something behind the Lost History and has something that he can use against the WG. He may be talking towns and cities into revolting against the WG. His own strength could be his words, his words move men and he moved lots of men. Without people listening to the WG, they lose control of those islands.
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^Dragon was able to stay Smokers hand back in East Blue, so I am guessing that he has some sort of personal power outside of Rhetoric and Discourse (maybe that could have been the first instance of Haki being used to negate a Logia ability...or I could be reading too much into the situation?). That being said, I speculated awhile ago that Roger's powers could have been intelligence based, not necessarily physical prowess. So, I see no reason why Dragon's possible abilities couldn't also fall under a similar theory.
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Old 2008-12-02, 20:22   Link #58
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The revolutionaries have "freed" multiple islands, even when (presumably) fighting against large military forces. Added to that Dragon is the most wanted man in the world, not Whitebeard. I wouldn't be surprised if the WG staged this entire event specifically to draw Dragon out of hiding.
Well, first off there is the question as to whether or not the world gov't knows of Dragon and Ace's relationship... Garp never reported it, and there is nothign saying his crew spoke u[ about when he blurted it out... Kuma only confirmed the Ace>Luff>dragon connection after the world gov't started planning for war; and we can't even be sure that he himself told the world gov't of that relationship... we don't even know how Kuma came to know about dragon and Luffy.

The only thing we are certain of is that Whitebeard is quite possibly the second most wanted man in the world, the strongest man in the world, and will undoubtfully attack due to Ace's capture... HE is the one they are clearly expecting and who they are preparing for... when it comes to whitebeard, there is no reason NOT to go with overkill measures to ensure his defeat; pull out all the stops and leave nothing to chance

Not to mention, such a plan against Dragon would not work if Dragon has any brains... While Whitebeard would recklessly charge at any military force, Dragon would likely use more tact than that... For instance, letting the marines gather, but only strike where their guard is lowest, effectively using Whitebeard as a distraction; or striek marine HQ's that are now low on defense due to the absence of many of their top men... he has not show himself to care enough about Ace to risk his own neck to charge into impossible odds; unlike whitebeard.

though with Ace's statement about his mother and father, do think Dragon will show up just so Ace can spit on whatever he has to offer...

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The Shichibukai by right, were supposed to abandon their crews, they were supposed to give up their names as pirates and sell themselves to the WG.
If i recall, there actually doesn't seem to be any indication that abandoning a crew is a requirement... as in it wwas just assumption, a work of fanon, due to the fact that Mihawk traveled alone, Croc had no crew and Arlong left Jimbei

Arlong left with many fishmen after Jimbei became a shichibukai, but that does not mean they were required to... arlong may have easily just decided to leave and pursue his own ambitions... Jimbei himself may even still have followers

Furtharmore, no statement of a bounty is not evidence of a lack of a bounty. I mean, Boa was only given an intial bounty but that doesn't mean its her final bounty before becoming a shichibukai... and we know that no bounty has ever been mentioned for Ace, Mihawk, Marco, or any number of other pirates. As such, the boa sisters could have bounties as well, they just were not mentioned...

And hell, Bellemy's crew being a secret from the world gov't could be another assumption based on the false premise that Shichibukai must leave their crews. Consider for instance Jaya; it was practically a pirate's nest and yet there were no marines ever to be seen... why would the marines over look a nest for pirates? only possibilities would be that the mariens did not know about it, or that Doflamingo asked them to ignore the island

Just because Croc, Kuma, and Mihawk did not have crews does not mean they were required to leave them behind... Mihawk could have always been a loner, Kuma may have traded his crew away when he became a pacifista (or maybe he was ALWAYS on the gov't payroll and his time as a pirate was just an act to set him up as a shichibukai), and Croc may have viewed his crew members as a libality to his plans; unlike baroque works which never new who he was and thus could not expose him.
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Since Luffy has arrived to the prison we should be seeing Jinbei soon as well.
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Old 2008-12-02, 21:05   Link #60
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I mean, Boa was only given an intial bounty but that doesn't mean its her final bounty before becoming a shichibukai...
Actually, her initial bounty of 80 million was indeed the bounty she had before becoming a warlord. She became the empress of Amazon Lily and captain of the Kuja pirates 11 years ago, and subsequently earned herself the said bounty after one voyage at sea. This immediately got the attention of the World Government, and being aware of her dangerous potential, they offered her the warlord position right away. If you need further clarification, look at the two bottom panels on page 6 in chapter 522.
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