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Old 2009-08-24, 00:51   Link #2201
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WTH is wrong with Saki now? She's always like in some sort of depressed or unemotionally unstable state. Makes me want to slap her....
She just has no incentive to win the individual prefectural tournament. Since she's already heading to Tokyo as winners of the team tournament, there's no need for her to win the individual tournament.

Second, she knows only three people can go so if she takes a spot, that's a spot another of her teammates can't compete for. As soon as she heard that, you could literally see her withdrawing emotionally.

At the heart of things, Saki likes playing strong people but she likes playing for fun. She likes to avoid attention. Unless there are strong motives (i.e. going to Tokyo, not letting down her team), she just tries not to stand out. We marvel at the skill to go +/- 0 repeatedly but until Hisa pointed it out, no one on the Kiyosumi team even noticed. I bet most people just pay attention to the extremes - the winners and losers - so Saki avoids attention that way.

Also, if Saki had done +/- 0 here, she wouldn't have made it to the finals. I think the lowest score was around +50.
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Old 2009-08-24, 05:31   Link #2202
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Wow... I'm beginning to wonder if you guys count the seconds to when the episode will air?

Spoiler for ep 21:

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Old 2009-08-24, 06:26   Link #2203
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Old 2009-08-24, 08:40   Link #2204
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Spoiler for 21:
To clarify this: After you call riichi, you are forced to discard the tile you draw, i.e. you are no longer allowed to change the tiles in your hand and must wait to draw a winner or ron a winner.

So Touka had to discard that tile anyway.
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Old 2009-08-24, 11:25   Link #2205
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Can anyone verify the top 20? It be interesting to know.
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Old 2009-08-24, 11:28   Link #2206
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Old 2009-08-24, 11:30   Link #2207
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Old 2009-08-24, 12:48   Link #2208
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Since this anime is almost done, it's time i asked this question (i'm holding off until there's only 1 episode left to speedrun it if it's any good).

Is this series any good? I liked hikaru no go and shion no ou...but an anime about mah jong? I don't know ANYTHING about mah jong, and i can't possibly imagine how this anime would be fun or as "dramatic/epic" as hikaru no go...

So am i right or wrong. Is it worth spending my time to watch this series?
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Old 2009-08-24, 13:07   Link #2209
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It might be easier to enjoy if you *don't* know anything about mahjong.

The more you know, the more hax you realize it is. It truly makes a statistician weep.

This is purely a fantasy show about hax mahjong. If you can't get over that, then don't bother. The characters are well-done for the most part, though, so it makes it more entertaining. Honestly, the episodes not totally about mahjong are sometimes better than the ones about it.

But if you watch it, you're going to have to learn how the game works, because otherwise you won't know what the hell is going on. That's the double-edged sword.
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Old 2009-08-24, 13:16   Link #2210
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Ah thanks
And here's a cleaned up (no nicknames) version of that if you'd like:

1. Yuuki Kataoka
2. Mihoko Fukuji
3. Yumi Kajiki
4. Hajime Kunihiro
5. Nodoka Haramura
6. Tomoki Sawamura
7. Hisa Takei
8. Jun Inoue
9. Momoko Touyoko
10. Kana Ikeda
11. Miharu Yoshitome
12. ???
13. ???
14. ???
15. ???
16. Sumiyo Fukabori
17. ???
18. ???
19. ???
20. Satomi Kanbara
21. ???
22. Seika Bundou
23. ???
24. Saki Miyanagi
25. ???
26. Tanaka Mai?
27. ???
28. ???
29. ???
30. ???

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So am i right or wrong. Is it worth spending my time to watch this series?
1. Watch first two episodes.
2. Decide if you liked them.
3. ?????
4. PROFIT

One could say it gets better when the prefectural qualifiers start, but I'd say the first episodes are an accurate sampler of the show.
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Old 2009-08-24, 13:20   Link #2211
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The more you know, the more hax you realize it is. It truly makes a statistician weep.
Not really, or rather, not necessarily. I know about mahjong and I can still enjoy Saki despite, and moreover, because of the hax. Knowing mahjong can actually enhance your viewing experience. Look at me! Personally I've enjoyed every single episode of it, Mahjong or not, and I consider it to be one of the best 'guilty pleasure' type series I've ever seen.
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Old 2009-08-24, 13:28   Link #2212
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Knowing mahjong can actually enhance your viewing experience.
I would strongly agree with this.

Also, the only character with real "Hax" are Saki and Koromo (and assumedly Teru), the ones with powers based on blatant luck. Rinshan kaihou (Tsumo after a kong) and haitei raoyue (Bottom of the sea) are luck-based yaku that are impossible to get reliably. But that's why they're called monsters. All the *other* characters have pretty reasonable powers.

Mihoko has the interesting visual metaphor of her Chaos Eye, but basically, her power is just that she's really good at reading discards. Hisa is just good at psychology and knows how to through off people's calculations by taking unexpected waits. Nodoka is really good at calculating probability. Momoko is just really good at not drawing attention to herself, something that's easy to do with psychology and knowledge of visual cues. Yuuki's "taco power" is basically just being able to focus well after a pre-competition ritual, something quite valid in sports, and losing that focus quickly due to being hyperactive. And having a ridiculously fast metabolism that requires an extreme supply of calories. Ok, Jun's "flow" is a bit hard to explain, but besides the "monster" characters it's all rather reasonable stuff.
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Old 2009-08-24, 13:39   Link #2213
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But if you watch it, you're going to have to learn how the game works, because otherwise you won't know what the hell is going on. That's the double-edged sword.
I started this show with no mahjong knowledge at all, and thanks to the show i've picked up quite a bit. So keeping that in mind, anyone can watch this show if they don't know mahjong. It's easy to tell when someone is winning, or when the game's not going their way by the music and dialogue, so knowledge on the game isn't actually needed to enjoy this show.
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Old 2009-08-24, 15:18   Link #2214
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WTH is wrong with Saki now? She's always like in some sort of depressed or unemotionally unstable state. Makes me want to slap her....
Assuming the scores for the first day (probably the case, or Yuuki's lead won't allow her to be eliminated with just one bad game or two...) don't carry over to the second one, it's probably better to take it easy on the first day. Saki did well enough to pass - that's enough.

Of course, that's probably not the real reason she didn't try very hard.
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Old 2009-08-24, 17:08   Link #2215
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I realized that my post came off a little harsh. I enjoy the series, but I keep in mind it's fantasy mahjong. I just enjoy the characters.

Hisa is my favorite, because she doesn't really have a special ability, other than an agile mind and a knack for messing with people's heads. I'll admit to *sometimes* picking bad waits, too, because whenever I go for what looks like an obvious wait, 2-3 other people/CPUs are also camping those tiles, or just sitting on them. (Always seems to happen that way. Grr.)

The main reason I got into the game was because a while back, my Japanese teacher suggested that I pick up mahjong or Go, and I can't stand Go.
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Old 2009-08-24, 20:31   Link #2216
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@ all the people who have replied back to me:

Thank you for all the advice/thoughts. I really appreciate it, thanks! I think i'll take a look into this series after maybe 1 or 2 more episodes are released.
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Old 2009-08-24, 21:32   Link #2217
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I get such an urge to yell out Ice/Crystal World! every time Mihoko opens her right eye.
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Old 2009-08-24, 22:42   Link #2218
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I feel somewhat sad that Touka probably wouldn't make it to the finals.
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Old 2009-08-24, 23:54   Link #2219
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WTH is wrong with Saki now? She's always like in some sort of depressed or unemotionally unstable state. Makes me want to slap her....
I think it's pretty clear Saki is a little unstable, what with her spacing out, getting lost, savant ability at mahjong, weird way of not wanting to make other people unhappy. She could possibly be considered to be high functioning autistic/asperger's/some other fotm mental disorder.

Good episode.

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Old 2009-08-25, 00:21   Link #2220
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I think it's pretty clear Saki is a little unstable, what with her spacing out, getting lost, savant ability at mahjong, weird way of not wanting to make other people unhappy. She could possibly be considered to be high functioning autistic/asperger's/some other fotm mental disorder.

Good episode.

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I found that both hilarious and cute. Mihoko SHOULD get her heart stolen by Hisa because Hisa is darn tooting awesome.
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