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Old 2004-02-16, 15:18   Link #1
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Angry Klick a link - Get your computer cracked wide open

Hmhm. Ok, I have already be pretty heavy with the propaganda on this forum, but I feel it's kinda like a, eh, civic duty. Please forgive me...

Have a look at this article and see how easy it is to blast IE wide open. It's ok, my link is safe, but be a mite careful about the ones on the page it leads to. If you read the text, you'll see what I'm talking about.

And this should convince the last remaining users to migrate away from IE 5.x. The effects of the source leakage are getting noticable already...

So? Get a better browser! And ditch that ol' outlook while you're at it
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Old 2004-02-16, 15:30   Link #2
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Don't forget all the exploits on http://www.malware.com/ .

Remember, the upgrade link is here And remember to put the banner in your signature as well!
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Old 2004-02-16, 15:32   Link #3
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Switching to Mozilla Firefox doesn't cost a thing and is highly recommended.

Here is a list of the most important reasons why Firefox is more secure than Internet Explorer:
  • It is not integrated with Windows, which helps prevent viruses and hackers from causing damage if they somehow manage to compromise Firefox.
  • There is no support for VBScript and ActiveX, two technologies which are the reasons for many IE security holes.
  • No spyware/adware software can automatically install in Firefox just by visiting a web site.
  • Firefox doesn't use Microsoft's Java VM, which has a history of more flaws than other Java VMs.
  • You have complete control over cookies.

Still not convinced to switch to Firefox? Read this.
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Old 2004-02-16, 15:37   Link #4
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Well now that this is about Firefox I would like to ask if anyone knows any differences from Opera, which I have been using for quite awhile.
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Old 2004-02-16, 15:41   Link #5
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The main difference is that Opera costs $40 and Firefox is free.
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Old 2004-02-16, 16:10   Link #6
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I now have firefox ^^"
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Old 2004-02-16, 16:10   Link #7
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FireFox is ok for me. Maybe cuz i dont have it configured right. When im in KDE I have no sound when i play flashmedia's but when i have GNOME running everything is fine . When I used IE6 i never had any problems no virus's pop-ups or anything (had a pop-up blocker though ). I've noticed w/ FireFox though that i dont get any pop-ups and if i do they arent spammed ones that when you close them 50 million others pop up.
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Old 2004-02-16, 16:25   Link #8
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KDE has a special sound daemon that has a lock on your sound card, and the proprietary Flash plugin doesn't support that. The Flash plugin uses the old "one sound at a time" method which works with GNOME
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Old 2004-02-16, 18:18   Link #9
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Mozilla sucks compared to IE sorry.

If you want a real browser use MYIE2, it's based on the IE6 core, but it's stripped down, and has pop-up blockers, and multitabbed windows and you can fit 2 copies on one floppy disk.

That's just IMO.

If you're so paranoid about "hackers" don't use windows, don't use linux, hell don't use a PC

Since the win2K/NT source code is out, once hackers decypher it, it's only a matter of time anyone that uses winxp/nt based computers will be screwed

Good thing I have my smoothwall server being built

PS if you think you're any safer with Mozilla you're dead wrong It's not IE it self that has the loop holes it's windows. So no matter what browser you use there are still loop holes
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Old 2004-02-16, 18:41   Link #10
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If you want a real browser use MYIE2
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PS if you think you're any safer with Mozilla you're dead wrong It's not IE it self that has the loop holes it's windows.
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
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Old 2004-02-16, 18:45   Link #11
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I know quite abit of what I'm talking about

Although I haven't tried the new mozilla, my past experience has been less than steller.

But IE works fine, just don't use the internet if you don't wanna get "hacked"
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Old 2004-02-16, 21:04   Link #12
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But IE works fine, just don't use the internet if you don't wanna get "hacked"
No, don't use IE. That's all you need to do.

Besides, IE isn't even a web browser.
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Old 2004-02-16, 23:20   Link #13
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No, don't use IE. That's all you need to do.

Besides, IE isn't even a web browser.
So with all your wisdom, you're telling me if I don't use IE I will never get hacked

I'm sorry that's NEVER gonna happen. As long as you're on the internet the chances of you getting hacked are there, no matter your OS, webbrowser etc.

The safest way of NOT getting hacked is don't use the internet

Oh yea all that tracking stuff? Who can REALLY care? I format once every 6 months. Besides, there's always someone watching you, Big Brother is always looking out.

I mean with the way society is today, anything can be traced, any piece of paper you signed can be traced back to you. It's no surprise. whoope do. So microsoft knows you're looking at all that porn now...what are you gonna do?

I mean, I hope you're not even using a windows OS, because that shit gathers up quickly

I'll give Firefox a try, hopefully it's better than the firebird crap they had out earlier.

Also since IE is like the browser used by 90% of the world, most websites are designed for it
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Old 2004-02-17, 00:20   Link #14
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Let's join the fray, with asbestos-lined jacket for flame-retarding.

The facts are: Microsoft Internet Explorer is a browser. It's implemented as a window that contains a MSHTML instance, running at SYSTEM privileges. The MSHTML module does not implement CSS1 or CSS2 correctly. Meaning that standards-compliant pages may not necessarily render properly on IE. And that if IE crashes or is exploited, the attacker gets full SYSTEM privileges.

Firefox is a browser. It's implemented as a window that embeds a Gecko rendering instance. It's not CSS2 compliant but mostly CSS1 compliant. It runs at user-level privileges (which unfortunately usually means Administrator on Windows). It also has two modes of rendering: strict standards, and IE bugaboo "quirk mode."

Having used the Gecko engine since M14, I'm quite impressed. Certain pages still look wrong in IE or Mozilla/Firefox. But don't say that IE isn't a browser, since it is, or that Firefox just bites, because you haven't tried it.
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Old 2004-02-17, 00:37   Link #15
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Like I said I'm giving firefox a try. (acctually I'm playing with it as we speak) however I know it's still a beta, but it's crashed on me like 6 times in the past 30 min, after installing that tabbed windows extention thingy. It's pretty good so far for a beta, however I wish their "right click" menu for the tabs was better so that the top option would be to close the tab.
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Old 2004-02-17, 00:48   Link #16
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Like I said I'm giving firefox a try. (acctually I'm playing with it as we speak) however I know it's still a beta, but it's crashed on me like 6 times in the past 30 min, after installing that tabbed windows extention thingy. It's pretty good so far for a beta, however I wish their "right click" menu for the tabs was better so that the top option would be to close the tab.
(Personally, I don't use Firefox. I use the more stable codebase in Mozilla. Should upgrade to 1.6. Eventually.)

All of the same features, in much more bloat. They tore out Composer, Chatzilla, and Mail/Newsgroups for Firefox.
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Old 2004-02-17, 08:21   Link #17
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Microsoft Internet Explorer is a browser.
No, it's not. I quote from the website linked to above:
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HTTP is the protocol for the World Wide Web. It provides requirements that all Web browsers must meet; if browsers developed their own protocol instead, communication between computers would break down and the Internet would collapse into anarchy.

Internet Explorer does not follow the HTTP protocol.

When a server sends a file to you through HTTP, it identifies the file as a Web page, text file, picture file, movie, or other type of file. HTTP uses the Content-Type header to do this. The protocol for HTTP/1.1 states:

If and only if the media type is not given by a Content-Type field, the recipient MAY attempt to guess the media type via inspection of its content and/or the name extension(s) of the URI used to identify the resource.

Internet Explorer does not follow these rules; it guesses the media type of every file it receives. Even if I send it a file with "Content-Type: image/jpeg", if Internet Explorer thinks it's a text file, it will open it like a text file! If in the future Internet Explorer starts identifying its Content-Types incorrectly, this will cause a huge dilemma with webmasters. Because it does not follow [the HTTP] protocol, Internet Explorer cannot be technically identified as a "web browser".
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Old 2004-02-17, 09:44   Link #18
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I define a web browser as a program that manages to render HTML and traverse hyperlinks. That's about it. In that sense, IE is quite a browser.

Granted, it's also extremely broken, in many respects (stupid pipelining making requests over a closed channel, bad MIME-type handling, insecure scripting, etc etc) but it does technically let somebody look at google, type in search criteria, submit it, and receive the response. And parse it moderately nicely to boot (so don't say telnet can do that).

Remember, I use Mozilla on Linux. Which of course is where I'd want to be today.
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Old 2004-02-17, 13:13   Link #19
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OK, I guess it is by the colloquial definition.
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