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Old 2009-02-06, 14:57   Link #101
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A discussion about the Tale of Genji aired on National Public Radio's On Point this morning. The guests were a professor of Japanese Literature and Asian Studies at Pomona College, and a "novelist and cultural anthropologist" from Berkeley who has written an historical novel about the life of Murasaki Shikibu. You can listen to the program by following that link.

Boy, I sure wish I could watch another episode or two of Genji with fansubs so I could rejoin the discussion here. I generally avoid threads when the subs lag behind the releases to avoid spoilage. Plus it's hard to contribute when you're behind the raw watchers. I'll drop by again when another sub appears.
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Old 2009-02-06, 15:00   Link #102
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There is not much to spoil for Genji. Most people who is watching it probably knows the story already. I suggest reading the book
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Old 2009-02-06, 15:04   Link #103
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I have been reading the book, but my sense is that the anime has its own trajectory.

I also doubt that "most people" watching it outside Japan know the story already.
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Old 2009-02-07, 15:29   Link #104
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Episode 4 Screenshots.

Beautiful episode, terrible events...
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Old 2009-02-07, 19:56   Link #105
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I have been reading the book, but my sense is that the anime has its own trajectory.

I also doubt that "most people" watching it outside Japan know the story already.
I don't know about you but during high school it was a tiny part of the world history curriculum at my school. The teacher basically gave a quick synopsis and said it is the oldest novel and moved on. Anyway Genji boils down not to the story (which frankly is not much) but to the poetry and general mood throughout the book.
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Old 2009-02-08, 15:02   Link #106
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I don't know about you but during high school it was a tiny part of the world history curriculum at my school. The teacher basically gave a quick synopsis and said it is the oldest novel and moved on. Anyway Genji boils down not to the story (which frankly is not much) but to the poetry and general mood throughout the book.
You had a good high school. I disagree about the story, but it is certainly not a normal neat novel plot. Episodic, but the episodes all contribute to an overall trajectory. Knowing the story beforehand isn't hampering my enjoyment, anyway.

Episode four makes it clear that they are telling the same story as the novel, but changing some of the scenes and even the events. Making things a bit more direct and clear, it seems to me. I'm not complaining, That's probably necessary for this short anime retelling.

For instance, I thought they did the events of ep4 extremely well.
Spoiler for ep4:
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Old 2009-02-08, 16:36   Link #107
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Genji boils down not to the story (which frankly is not much) but to the poetry and general mood throughout the book.
I agree, and that is what drew me in - the beauty, sensitivity, and ambience of the story - not the plot so much (and as a side note, I absolutely hate the second part of the book, the 'Ujai'? chapters that follow post-genji characters, and I beleive it wasn't written by the same person.)

But sigh, I have nothing to say about these weeks of episodes because there is no translation.
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Old 2009-02-08, 17:26   Link #108
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I agree, and that is what drew me in - the beauty, sensitivity, and ambience of the story - not the plot so much (and as a side note, I absolutely hate the second part of the book, the 'Ujai'? chapters that follow post-genji characters, and I believe it wasn't written by the same person.)....
I agree about "beauty, sensitivity, and ambience." And I agree that the Uji chapters (the final ten) were probably not written by the same person (possibly by her daughter), but they are the chapters I love the most, personally, even though Genji does not appear in them at all. They are like a separate little novel, with its own romantic, psychological, and religious themes, and a somewhat tighter plot than the main part of the novel.

Uji 宇治 is a town a few miles south of Kyoto. There is a famous bridge over the Uji River there. There is also a famous old water-control system. And some Fujiwaras had a country estate there, and built one of the most beautiful little buildings in the world, the Byoodoo-in.

For anyone who is interested, this is a good site about the novel and its world.
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Old 2009-02-14, 12:04   Link #109
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I know it's generally bad form to bitch about subs, but really, are we ever going to see any more episodes of Genji? My earlier optimism about how all Noitamina shows eventually get fansubbed is beginning to fade. We got off to a good start with two excellent versions of episode one, but it's been over a month since either was released.

I'm used to watching less-popular series that often have extended delays so I haven't given up hope. Still if someone has a release of episode two in the works, I'd love to hear about it, even if we may not see the final product for some while yet.
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Old 2009-02-17, 03:11   Link #111
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SeijiSensei I can't speak for anyone else but we are still working on Genji, slowly. I've been caught up with a lot of work recently so haven't been able to coach things along but we do have 2 eps translated and we're working on all the various bits and pieces - just might take a while to release as checking may take a little while to get started.
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Old 2009-02-17, 09:20   Link #112
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That's great news, Grv! Good luck balancing all these projects when a certain kitty reappears on the scene in April. Not to mention real life!

As I said, take your time; we'll be waiting.
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Old 2009-02-20, 16:36   Link #113
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Ep. 6.

Spoiler for Oborozukiyo's line, barely a spoiler out of context, but better be safe, I guess:


Love that line, both its delivery and its social commentary. At first I didn't get where she was going with this long repetition, but when she finished the phrase, it was beautiful. (Indeed, someone with such attitudes would have been rumored to be a "shou-shou kawatta kata". )

Competes pretty well with Yuugao's "sore kara", and Fujitsubo's redefinition of "ikemasen"*, I think.

Spoiler for * (ep 5, and the end of 4):

BTW, Kaoru Chujo, nice to read your always insightful commentary in a situation where the nature of the subject doesn't compel me to object to it. Been thinking about helping you give this thread the "Simoun boost", but somehow I'm very posting-averse these days...

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Old 2009-02-21, 19:14   Link #115
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Grv: That's fantastic news, thanks. I've loved what I've seen of this and feared it might never get subbed. But if someone is working on it then I don't mind waiting.
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Old 2009-02-25, 21:03   Link #116
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Grv: That's fantastic news, thanks. I've loved what I've seen of this and feared it might never get subbed. But if someone is working on it then I don't mind waiting.
Yoroshiku could really use a translation checker, because of the formality of the Japanese in the episodes.
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Old 2009-02-27, 15:44   Link #117
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Thanks for using spoiler tags. I didn't read the novel, my only knowledge of this story is through the manga Gekka no Kimi (which I really like).

The artwork is lovely, the animation is great (loved the backgrounds) and the music is definitely something to look forward to the OST. I'm totally hyped about this series!

I hope it's still being subbed.
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Old 2009-03-14, 08:05   Link #118
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Thank you, Live-eviL!

I admit it took me a bit of time to get used to the subtitle font, but that only lasted a few moments. Looking forward to episode two!
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Old 2009-03-14, 08:14   Link #119
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Thank you, Live-eviL!
Seconded! Oh yes.

I did like the way the translator(s) used an old-fashioned formal kind of phrasing in the translation, that really fitted, I think.
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Old 2009-03-14, 08:16   Link #120
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Thank you, Live-eviL!
Another thank you Live-Evil from me. I can't wait to progress with this series thanks to your help.
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