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View Poll Results: Toradora! - Episode 17 Rating
Perfect 10 35 27.34%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 45 35.16%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 27 21.09%
7 out of 10 : Good 13 10.16%
6 out of 10 : Average 7 5.47%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 1 0.78%
4 out of 10 : Poor 0 0%
3 out of 10 : Bad 0 0%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 0 0%
1 out of 10 : Painful 0 0%
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Old 2009-02-01, 03:44   Link #181
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Man, that was some massive clear-up.

I sudden feel silly thinking that had anything to do with the real "Guns & Roses"
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Old 2009-02-01, 03:58   Link #182
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Yup, truly satisfying. Especially point no. 4. If the Japanese quote 「ギガント混乱するンガンゼンローゼス。」is in the novel or the script, then that settles it.
Spoiler for exact location of this phrase in the novel:

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Old 2009-02-01, 08:20   Link #183
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Spoiler for exact location of this phrase in the novel:
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Old 2009-02-01, 08:45   Link #184
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Didn't I already say that before?
But yes, it only reached up to the end of chapter 2. This is going to be set as a three parter.
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Old 2009-02-01, 09:09   Link #185
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Didn't I already say that before?
But yes, it only reached up to the end of chapter 2. This is going to be set as a three parter.
Looking through your posting history yeah you did. Guess I missed your post.
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Old 2009-02-01, 10:44   Link #186
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After watched episode 17
Spoiler for about Takasu feeling:
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Old 2009-02-01, 11:20   Link #187
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i like new OP and oranges are so great!!!
But i feel so sorry for Minorin. She seems to suffer much. She wants everyone to be happy, and then suffers herself.
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Old 2009-02-01, 13:30   Link #188
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I wonder what's going on with Minorin, she's getting weirder...She laugh, over-reacting, joking around and yet she got mad at the sudden. Ignoring Ryuji and Taiga...
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Old 2009-02-01, 14:48   Link #189
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Man, that was some massive clear-up.

I sudden feel silly thinking that had anything to do with the real "Guns & Roses"
You're not alone...

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Didn't I already say that before?
But yes, it only reached up to the end of chapter 2. This is going to be set as a three parter.
Exxxxcellent. More setup for trainwreck. Wahaha.
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Old 2009-02-01, 16:37   Link #190
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Excellent episode, the best in ToraDora! so far, IMO. Plenty of touching, bittersweet funny, slice-of-life-but-more-literary-profound moments. And it's just the beginning...

So... Why the so low average ratings here?
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Old 2009-02-01, 17:35   Link #191
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Excellent episode, period.

It's very interesting to see the characters developing into something way deeper than the shallow archeotypes that most of my friends saw on them when watching the first 2, 3 chapters... I really hoped that this series would move into this direction - even if some fanbase-indulging-script-lovers out there might be over reacting to all the insight and uncertainty that is sustened by the interactions and characters from now on, that's the turning point that separates moar-moe from true-masterpieces...

Meh... IMO, Minorin is a way too-good-for-her-own-good type of person but, again... This kinda character can be seem in, let's say... on the "The Girl Who Leapt Thru Time" main character...

Taiga is becoming more and more like a real person, and not just another tsun-dere shi**y character - despite her seyuu...

I don't like the detone on Ryuji's mental capabilities - he sounds way smarter and more conscious of the environment on the novels but then, again... chapter 17 is the turning point even to this aspect...

meh, I should not say so much weird stuff on my 1st post, but... oh...
meh.
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Old 2009-02-01, 17:49   Link #192
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Again, "Guns N' Roses" is in clear English, so...
That's in the fansub..

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This Guns N' Roses thing is actually getting pretty goddamn funny.

I think it goes like this:

1] Nerd idol Shoko-tan gets famous and her "Shoko-tan Lingo" spreads across the otaku world, with words like "giza" and "giganto".

2] Toradora's author decides it's a funny reflection of modern female speech and uses it in her fiction.

3] Yacchan is worried about her increasing age and the possibility of losing her job as a club hostess, so she talks to the younger girls and tries to adopt their way of speaking. The result is a mess of random hip words thrown into her sentences, particularly "giza" (very) and "gansu" (dialectal gozaimasu (desu)).

4] Her son Ryuuji twists the concept farther in an internal monologue where he's expressing his confusion at the current situation, with the line 「ギガント混乱するンガンゼンローゼス。」 (giganto konran suru'n ganzen-roozesu) meaning roughly "It's so massively confusing" where, in the fashion of his mother, "gansu" ("It's") has evolved into Guns N' Roses, or at least something sounding very similar.

5] An anime is made, based on the novels, and Ryuuji speaks the line on television.

6] Shoko-tan watches the show and expresses her surprise on her blog. She starts using the expression "giganto ganzen-roozesu" in her daily life, because it's amusing.

7] Eventually someone in her staff hears her say the phrase and asks "Oh, you like American bands?" and in response to Shoko-tan's confused look, this person kindly informs her that Guns N' Roses is an American rock band.

The circle is, I suppose, complete.
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Old 2009-02-01, 17:53   Link #193
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Remember the part where Ami finds out why Taiga is being abnormally nice, and asks if she's dying? In the book, that scene's quite different. Most importantly, it's where Taiga gets the student handbook back, with the lovey-dovey photos inside, and I think it's an interesting display of Ami's character.

I'm not good enough to translate 4 pages of prose, but I'll give a summary:
Spoiler for ep 17/book 7:
It's funnier in Japanese. The anime kept about half a line from their exchange, and omitted the handbook entirely. I guess book 7 is already getting 3 episodes as it is, and they can't include everything.
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Old 2009-02-01, 18:45   Link #194
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Excellent episode, the best in ToraDora! so far, IMO. Plenty of touching, bittersweet funny, slice-of-life-but-more-literary-profound moments. And it's just the beginning...

So... Why the so low average ratings here?
Their favourite character wasn't in it or they were "acting weird for no reezun o_O".

I personally agree with you though, it was definitely one of the best episodes so far, had everything I love about this show and in great balance.
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Old 2009-02-02, 02:03   Link #195
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apr, its like that in the novels? geez, why cut out character development like that? oh wait, its because they want to show Ami as a minor character..
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Old 2009-02-02, 03:40   Link #196
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apr, its like that in the novels? geez, why cut out character development like that? oh wait, its because they want to show Ami as a minor character..
Ami a minor character? I am not sure if we are watching the same show.
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Old 2009-02-02, 06:45   Link #197
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I wonder what's going on with Minorin, she's getting weirder...She laugh, over-reacting, joking around and yet she got mad at the sudden. Ignoring Ryuji and Taiga...
In my theory,
Spoiler:
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Old 2009-02-02, 07:45   Link #198
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Well, someone has a very big imagination, eh?
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Old 2009-02-02, 07:47   Link #199
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In my theory,
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u mean she lost her mind ? or she is passing through major changes to her life?
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Old 2009-02-02, 07:56   Link #200
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u mean she lost her mind ? or she is passing through major changes to her life?
seems like she just lost her mind to me....

this was probably one of the better eps I seen. I good set up for the new story arc, the new OP and ED are good too
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