AnimeSuki Forums

Register Forum Rules FAQ Members List Social Groups Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Go Back   AnimeSuki Forum > Anime Related Topics > Fansub Groups

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 2009-02-03, 02:12   Link #1
504NOSON
newbie with vet. status
 
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Transcending the forest that leads to Japan
Age: 26
Getfresh chats with ANN on fansubs.

So, ANN just posted a conference with 2 of it's members, an independent film maker and AS very own, Getfresh. The conversation was mainly discussing, that with the advent and ubiquity of legal online streams(I.e Hulu, Joost, YouTube and now CR)... are fansubs obsolete? Getfresh, including the other two ladies, all agreed that they weren't, as of now. However, Bamboo Dong(host) did think so. They basically chopped it up a little while longer in this 2 part session. heres part one.http://animenewsnetwork.com/chicks-on-anime/02-03-09

Part 2 is up.http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/chic...ime/2009-02-10
__________________
Looking for a translator? Holla @ me!!!

Last edited by 504NOSON; 2009-02-10 at 20:29.
504NOSON is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2009-02-03, 02:53   Link #2
Dansickle
Needs more T-Pain
*Author
 
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Charlottesville, Va
Send a message via AIM to Dansickle
gf told me about this a while ago, was waiting on it.

Decent read.
__________________
`ZK`_Dan "The Mouth of Reason"

Now Playing:
Goal Line Blitz, Starcraft (entering iCCup season 9)

(Largely) Retired:
DotA, Madden '09, Super Smash Brothers Melee, Melty Blood, CS1.6, CS:S, Diablo 2, Warcraft III, Guild Wars, DAoC, Warhammer Online, Left4Dead, TF2, Halo 1
Dansickle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2009-02-03, 03:32   Link #3
cyth
ふひひ
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Age: 28
Honestly, the whole thing irritated me to no end. Getfresh's arguments were all over the place, as always. I mean, you can't talk about the mainstream if you don't know how to define it. You can't talk about fansubber's goals if you don't know what that actually is. He wanted to rationalize what he's doing so badly, but couldn't find the right words. What's wrong with saying that you're catering to an existing fanbase that probably cares more for anime than your typical Adultswim watcher? And most of all, Naruto fansubs aren't fansubs at all, they're stream rips, and guess what, debatable but, there's a place for them as well!
__________________
cyth is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2009-02-03, 04:18   Link #4
504NOSON
newbie with vet. status
 
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Transcending the forest that leads to Japan
Age: 26
Quote:
Originally Posted by Toua View Post
Honestly, the whole thing irritated me to no end. Getfresh's arguments were all over the place, as always. I mean, you can't talk about the mainstream if you don't know how to define it. You can't talk about fansubber's goals if you don't know what that actually is. He wanted to rationalize what he's doing so badly, but couldn't find the right words. What's wrong with saying that you're catering to an existing fanbase that probably cares more for anime than your typical Adultswim watcher? And most of all, Naruto fansubs aren't fansubs at all, they're stream rips, and guess what, debatable but, there's a place for them as well!

True. I was saying the exact same thing. His argument would have been more solid and he would have just sounded better, if he had jus told the flat out truth. The whole mainstream thing was kinda hard to purchase.
__________________
Looking for a translator? Holla @ me!!!
504NOSON is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2009-02-03, 06:44   Link #5
Tofusensei
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Tokyo, Japan
Send a message via AIM to Tofusensei
Having done one of these interviews before, please let me ask people to lay off the "armchair quarterbacking". Yeah, he coulda worded it like this, he coulda said that, he coulda articulated X better...

He was answering off the top of his head without any preparation (they don't give you any questions in advance and such) and he did a fine job. ^^

-Tofu
Tofusensei is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2009-02-03, 08:06   Link #6
cyth
ふひひ
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Age: 28
I bet a lot of people would love to step onto the podium and voice their opinions on the issue. We know the world isn't fair, so we can't all get to do that, but the armchair quarterback flaks are uncalled for if you consider this, more often than not.

'Grats if you gave Zac all those answers without any preparation time though.
__________________
cyth is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2009-02-03, 08:21   Link #7
getfresh
done
*Fansubber
 
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Yokosuka, JP
Age: 33
Quote:
Originally Posted by Toua View Post
I bet a lot of people would love to step onto the podium and voice their opinions on the issue. We know the world isn't fair, so we can't all get to do that, but the armchair quarterback flaks are uncalled for if you consider this, more often than not.

'Grats if you gave Zac all those answers without any preparation time though.
It was gmail chat. Real time. And there were quite a few omitted comments that were were making on the said that chained into the convo and sort of directed it in a sense at times. Also considering I was trying my hardest to not start a fight with my opinion from our side of the table, I think I did a decent job.
getfresh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2009-02-03, 16:30   Link #8
Enigma Collective
Member
*Fansubber
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Quote:
Originally Posted by getfresh View Post
It was gmail chat. Real time. And there were quite a few omitted comments that were were making on the said that chained into the convo and sort of directed it in a sense at times. Also considering I was trying my hardest to not start a fight with my opinion from our side of the table, I think I did a decent job.
And when it comes to this topic, indeed you did. <_>
Enigma Collective is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2009-02-03, 17:47   Link #9
Dansickle
Needs more T-Pain
*Author
 
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Charlottesville, Va
Send a message via AIM to Dansickle
getfresh is one of the few people I think are knowledgeable and reasonable enough to be involved in this sort of a discussion.
__________________
`ZK`_Dan "The Mouth of Reason"

Now Playing:
Goal Line Blitz, Starcraft (entering iCCup season 9)

(Largely) Retired:
DotA, Madden '09, Super Smash Brothers Melee, Melty Blood, CS1.6, CS:S, Diablo 2, Warcraft III, Guild Wars, DAoC, Warhammer Online, Left4Dead, TF2, Halo 1
Dansickle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2009-02-05, 09:06   Link #10
Daiz
Pioneer in Fansub 2.0
 
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
What annoyed me a lot is how they talk about "blah blah online streams fansubbing is obsolete" while completely forgetting "the big thing holding it all back", in other words regional content locking. I can't view over half of the content available on the listed sites (in fact I can't access Hulu or ANN streams at all for example) due to regional locking, not even if I wanted to pay for it. I just can't. Yet they somehow completely forgot the whole thing and went on to talk about how "free streaming services make fansubbing obsolete" and so on.
__________________
"A good user is remembered from his posts, not from his 160px tall animated 'pink flying unicorns' signature picture."
---
The Guide for best H.264 playback
Daiz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2009-02-05, 14:23   Link #11
Heibi
Ancient Fansubber
*Fansubber
 
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: KS
I'm glad LOGH got mentioned in the interview.

You did a great job Getfresh. I could see how you had to try and maintain your temper.
__________________
Heibi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2009-02-05, 20:11   Link #12
DmonHiro
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Romania
Age: 27
Send a message via Yahoo to DmonHiro
Fansubs will never be gone, when you can't freaking WATCH the free anime streams. I'm from Romania. You think I can watch 75% of anime of CrunchyRoll for example? F*** no. Can't even watch the anime on ANN, promoted on the front page, as to taunt those who can not watch it. So until USA "realizes" that there are anime fans outside of USA, I'll gladly stick with fansubs.
DmonHiro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2009-02-05, 22:49   Link #13
Tofusensei
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Tokyo, Japan
Send a message via AIM to Tofusensei
Quote:
Originally Posted by DmonHiro View Post
Fansubs will never be gone, when you can't freaking WATCH the free anime streams. I'm from Romania. You think I can watch 75% of anime of CrunchyRoll for example? F*** no. Can't even watch the anime on ANN, promoted on the front page, as to taunt those who can not watch it. So until USA "realizes" that there are anime fans outside of USA, I'll gladly stick with fansubs.
You mean, until Japan realizes?

You realize Japan sets the region restrictions, right?

-Tofu
Tofusensei is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2009-02-05, 23:10   Link #14
npcomplete
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Quote:
Originally Posted by getfresh View Post
It was gmail chat. Real time. And there were quite a few omitted comments that were were making on the said that chained into the convo and sort of directed it in a sense at times. Also considering I was trying my hardest to not start a fight with my opinion from our side of the table, I think I did a decent job.
maybe they thought you were easy pickins'


(what a clusterf**k its ANN comment thread became)
npcomplete is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2009-02-06, 00:51   Link #15
SeijiSensei
AS Oji-kun
 
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Mucking about
Age: 64
Google trends for "anime" and "naruto" http://www.google.com/trends?q=narut...ate=all&sort=0

While searches for "anime" decline over the period, searches for "naruto" increase. Which is a better indicator of the trend in anime's appeal? (These figures are worldwide. Searches conducted in the US for Naruto plateau after 2007.)

Figures for some franchises like Macross and Evangelion show a secular decline, while other shows like Ikkitousen generate more search traffic today than they did 3-4 years ago. Some shows like Moyashimon follow a "surge-and-decline" pattern with traffic peaking after the iniital release and decaying to near zero after the show ends.

I enjoyed reading this discussion even if it was a bit disjointed at times. I think bamboo way overestimates the availability of anime programming in the US. There are lots of shows that will never make it to Crunchy, never mind to [adult swim] or R1 licensing. Without fansubs, how would I ever have been able to watch Monster?

As for the Funimation channel, Funi rotates about two-dozen chestnuts over and over again on that channel. I love School Rumble, but enough already. I haven't seen ADV's AnimeNetwork in some time now. It once showed many of ADV's top series (NGE, Chobits, etc.) complete and uncut. Then it started showing just the first few episodes of new releases in an effort to stimulate DVD sales. Access to free, complete anime series on AnimeNetwork and via fansubs made me a fan. Without free access at the start, I doubt I would have pursued anime as an interest. In the long run the industry gained a paying customer because I had free access to quality programs at the outset.
__________________
SeijiSensei is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2009-02-06, 01:10   Link #16
cyberbeing
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: California
Quote:
Originally Posted by SeijiSensei View Post
As for the Funimation channel, Funi rotates about two-dozen chestnuts over and over again on that channel.
Speaking of Funimation channel, I am still hopeful they will someday show subtitled anime, either in their own time slots, or via a secondary audio track and closed captions. Come on Funimation, I'm sure somewhere in your 24/7 dub programming you could find room to add subtitled anime.
__________________
cyberbeing is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2009-02-06, 06:50   Link #17
DmonHiro
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Romania
Age: 27
Send a message via Yahoo to DmonHiro
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tofusensei View Post
You mean, until Japan realizes?

You realize Japan sets the region restrictions, right?

-Tofu
Fair enough, you're right. Japan is the one who sets the region locks, my bad. Still, as long as those locks don't go away, fansubs will never be obsolete. Also, I won't give a crap about Funi's C&D's on series it didn't even license. Well...even if it did license them, I woudn't.
DmonHiro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2009-02-06, 12:05   Link #18
Tofusensei
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Tokyo, Japan
Send a message via AIM to Tofusensei
It's pretty obvious how terrible a problem the anime industry has when "Actually pays money to the anime industry thus helping to create more anime" was neglected to be added to the CR list lol

-Tofu
Tofusensei is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2009-02-06, 15:48   Link #19
yononaka
nani ni tatoemu
 
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Quote:
Originally Posted by npcomplete View Post
(what a clusterf**k its ANN comment thread became)
I thought it was actually a pretty good thread for the most part (especially considering the length), compared to how these topics usually tend do devolve. (That assessment most emphatically excludes the "contribution" of that fool and/or troll(/shill?) Unit something-or-other.) There were bad patches, no doubt, but at some points some people even seemed to at least try to come to a mutual understanding rather than just shout at each other.

Oh, and Tofusensei, if I may:
Spoiler for re: [a certain ANN board member]:

Last edited by yononaka; 2009-02-06 at 18:26. Reason: name no longer relevant
yononaka is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2009-02-06, 18:06   Link #20
Tofusensei
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Tokyo, Japan
Send a message via AIM to Tofusensei
Thanks, yononaka. It's nice to know I'm not the only one who sees it.
Tofusensei is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
fansubbing, interview

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 14:43.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
We use Silk.