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I think to make some differentiation you should concentrate on maybe only Europe, since the caucasian Americans, Canadians, or Australians are just a mix of Europeans. And even in Europe it may not always be very easy, but it is true that there are some unique features you can use to identfy some. I guess the same also applies to people living in far-east countries. So, for me, it is understandable for both sides with not much knowledge on the people of the other side to not be able to make that differentiation.
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Just to point out, the issue should really be "Hollywood's Stereotypical View Of Asians".
Let's be honest. The media is incredibly stereotypical when it comes to casting asians and middle eastern ppl in a main role (if they even get the part). You don't often see a Hollywood film where an asian male who isn't a nerd, cook, martial art, expendable thug or any other caricature variation. Same with asian females with their own caricature (though they have the advantage of being "sexually desirable"). This type of view really limits the choice/chance for asians breaking in with good roles. Last edited by David_The_Gnome; 2009-02-08 at 14:41. |
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I don't really notice much differences in the East Asian nationalities even though I myself come from a Chinese background. Sure, Koreans and Mongolians tend to have higher cheekbones (is that right?), and people in Southern China tend to be shorter and darker-skinned, but in all truth many of these peoples share too many features (and aren't limited to the same ones) to be distinguished. The same goes for Europeans. It's usually only after I know what nation someone is from that I start noticing what specific features he/she has that would identify with that nationality.
But the only real way to know which nation an Asian comes from is by the language they're speaking, and most European/white people aren't familiar with those languages so they all sound the same to them. I guess what really bothers me is when you actually tell a white person where you're from and afterwards they still call you "Asian." They don't have problems remembering who's from Germany or England, but they can't recall that I'm Chinese and that the girl next to me is Korean? That annoys me. |
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However, none of this is a "racial issue" for me, its a cultural heritage issue. "Race" is basically bullshit trying to pass itself off as "genetics" when it is, at best, minor variation due to a few hundred or thousand years of pool selection. Just to bring this back to the OP topic, Hollywood is -- lazy, budget-limited, actor-limited, etc. It thinks appearance is sufficient, whereas for certain roles it might really matter what an actor brings to the role in terms of cultural upbringing. I thought the casting of Ford Prefect in HHGTTG was a bit of brilliance -- because the guy was British and happened to have a different skin color than the tv series version. OTOH, their casting of Trillian as a European blend as they did in the tv series because the books specifically note her as of Indian extraction.
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And, that stereotype is not also limited to Asians. It is similar for Europe too. The only difference is that the Americans can be seduced more in a story involving Europe or Europeans, hence there is a lot of options available for the creators, to integrate them inside a story. For the Asians, the setting is the more important aspect, so human comes after that. |
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Honestly, it's pretty wide spread and not just limited to asians. I mean, hell, the whole USA thinks he Italians run the mob thanks to garbage like the Soprano's, but anyone that knows anything about Italy would know that the Sicilians are mainly responsible for such. Casting Italians doesnt get much better either. Marlon Brando and Robert De Niro, both of Godfather fame, are both whitebread Irishmen. |
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Friend of mine (white guy) was in the Peace Corp. and born in Chicago. The Africans he taught simultaneously considered him a "gangster" and a "CIA spy" because he was from Chicago and an American.....
they would always ask him if he had a machine gun and where was his spy gear: all thanks to the informative and illuminating "American movies" they had seen.
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Now, I personally don't have any ethical qualms about portraying different nationalities. I just think they shouldn't suck at doing it. That's just painful to watch. It's the same as bad American actors doing woefully pathetic impressions of the British, French, German, etc. |
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Aye, "Memoirs of a Geisha" may go down in infamy alongside John Wayne's portrayal of Genghis Khan in the "wtf were they thinking?" category.
But then "Memoirs of a Geisha" (the book) wasn't really all that much of a documentary either.
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Just because race is defined by a small amount of genes doesn't mean it's any less salient. People with sickle cell anemia and people without are separated by a single gene, yet you wouldn't consider them to be the same. The fact is, race as a biological concept (yes, it is one) is defined solely by a specific set of genes, so arguing that it's very few genes is not a viable argument against the biological existence of race. Besides, racial separation is the first step towards full speciation. If you consider that the current most widely held definition of species (the "biological species") separates species are being reproductively isolated, you could easily argue that isolated groups in the Amazon rainforest, for example, are not the same species as you and I, much less the same "race". You'd have to be arguing phylogenetically. OT: There's no famous Japanese actors and actresses in Hollywood. Moreover, DBZ is based more or less on Chinese stuff, so most of the characters should indeed be played by Chinese actors and actresses. Goku's race is never specified anyways, and even I wouldn't cast Goku as an Asian, because movies with Asian leads are box office poison. Quote:
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@Papaya: Sorry, scientifically speaking, there is no such category as 'race' though arguments are periodically attempted. All homo sapiens belong to the same species, and can interbreed and coexist and whatnot, like any other species. The word "race", at best, refers to localizations, or groupings, of people. It's like an ethnicity; political boundaries such as countries don't exist scientifically, but we put them in place in our minds and distinguish ourselves based on them. There is *variation*, of course - but categorization of varieties is always debatable: all of your examples are of variation (and you might try taking this test on guessing "race"). You also seem to be stretching the definition of phylogenetics since isolation amongst humans has never been anywhere near long enough to meet that requirement. Basically, the problem is that the word "race" itself lacks any concise definition.
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If there's been more recent material released by academia that disputes that, I'd be interested.
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To add to the Shit List that Vexx has started, I would like to offer up the many extremely white actors that have portrayed the (seemingly) great character Charlie Chan. Last edited by james0246; 2009-02-09 at 00:23. |
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