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Old 2009-02-12, 16:12   Link #41
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Wow, that scientist theory almost seems like a gimme that would tie up several lingering plot threads (Kinue's research and some justice for her putting it on the line, where the Innovators are from and why they feel entitled to Schenberg's plan among others) that I almost can't see why it wouldn't be the case. If they don't capitalize on that or have at least as good a substitution for it then I might have to get a little....disappointed.
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Old 2009-02-12, 21:00   Link #42
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Wow, that scientist theory almost seems like a gimme that would tie up several lingering plot threads (Kinue's research and some justice for her putting it on the line, where the Innovators are from and why they feel entitled to Schenberg's plan among others) that I almost can't see why it wouldn't be the case. If they don't capitalize on that or have at least as good a substitution for it then I might have to get a little....disappointed.
I don't know if it will be explained in the series. I could see it in an OVA about those scientists in that time period.
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Old 2009-02-13, 03:41   Link #43
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I don't know if it will be explained in the series. I could see it in an OVA about those scientists in that time period.
I'm too pessimistic to think that there'll be an OVA. It'll probably be in some manual or info book. Are the manga done? If not then they might show something in there.
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Old 2009-02-15, 08:12   Link #44
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Spoiler for ep 19:
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Old 2009-02-15, 08:50   Link #45
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including regene's betrayal?

well Ribbons has veda afterall, it would point out these possibilities
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Old 2009-02-16, 11:21   Link #46
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Sorry if this is random, but since I call them the veggie-heads, I assigned each innovator (excluding Tieria) a vegetable nickname!

Ribbons - Broccoli
Regene - Eggplant (note: I also call him Regina out of comical reasons)
Hilling - Lettuce lady
Bring - Red pepper
Divine - Tomato
Revive - Mr. Onion
Anew - Mrs. Onion

I was going to call them the fruit heads, but I couldn't think of ANY fruits that were light purple...and that eggplant is also a vegetable, so I changed it.
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Old 2009-02-16, 11:38   Link #47
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Grapes?

At least that's their cartoon coloration.
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Old 2009-02-18, 15:27   Link #48
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i watched ep 2 again ad i must say ribbons expression at the end, after 00 fights for the first time is priceless!
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Old 2009-02-21, 06:02   Link #49
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Hixar and Meister 874 another Innovator?




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Old 2009-02-21, 09:51   Link #50
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I thought it's been confirmed that Hanayo (874) is an earlier version Innovator. And she called Tieria a child/youngster in 00F.

Not sure about Hixar though, he might be some kind of Louise. I really wish translation for 00P S1 & S2 are available.
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Old 2009-02-21, 10:25   Link #51
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Hixar and Meister 874 another Innovator?




were did you got the translation?
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Old 2009-02-21, 14:35   Link #52
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I doubt Hixar's an Innovator. We should keep in mind that it is possible to connect to VEDA without being an Innovator--Nena Trinity is a perfect example.
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Old 2009-02-22, 11:09   Link #53
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Hmm Ribbon able to control other innovator. But somehow it seems that Tieria and perhaps regene isn't affected by this. Tieria is one of the original and regene is his clone?
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My theory to put it simple...

Tieria & Ribbons = 1st generation Innovators
Others Innovators = 2nd Generation
Louise = Hibrid Innovators
Setsuna = Whole new kind of human evolution
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Old 2009-02-22, 11:48   Link #55
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From the looks of it, Ribbons plan doesn’t seem like a simple 'move the human race to space' deal. No, it looks like he does not only want to turn the human race into innovators because it is the next stage in evolution, but to be able to monitor and control every person on the planet. Once all humanity becomes like Louise, and using Veda, Ribbons would have absolute control over everyone. No one would be able to break free from his control, not even the other Innovators (he is able to read their mind, able to control them, and even can has a whole different newtype flash to emphasize that he is the one talking to them). Humans are already dependent on technology in the 00-verse, but once they become linked to him, he would’ve become completely omniscience (and to some degree, omnipresent).

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My theory to put it simple...

Tieria & Ribbons = 1st generation Innovators
Others Innovators = 2nd Generation
Louise = Hibrid Innovators
Setsuna = Whole new kind of human evolution
[speculation] I don’t think it is like that. I think it has to do more with Ribbons having some sort of nanomachines implanted in the Innovators and Louise that allow him to override their free will. Nena, Setsuna and Tieria didn’t receive these nanomachines, thus won’t be controlled by him[/speculation].
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Old 2009-02-22, 11:53   Link #56
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I doubt Hixar's an Innovator. We should keep in mind that it is possible to connect to VEDA without being an Innovator--Nena Trinity is a perfect example.
still you'll need quantum brain waves to do it so in a way he will be a enhanced human
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Old 2009-02-22, 11:56   Link #57
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still you'll need quantum brain waves to do it so in a way he will be a enhanced human
Spoiler for Maybe:
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Old 2009-02-22, 11:59   Link #58
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I agree with that. I think Revive and the others were his first attempts at puppetry, but he left them with a little bit too much free will (hence Regene's taunts and backstabbery). Louise is a bit more successful, but she's not quite there yet, having all this annoying doubt thanks to her relationship with Saji. Better to get rid of that whole free will thing altogether, right?
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Old 2009-02-22, 12:06   Link #59
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He does seem to be able to control her though, as he told her to get in the MA and she just said ''yes Almack'' without any objection once he used his ''charm'' on her.
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Old 2009-02-22, 20:58   Link #60
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another thing that the last ep had was what anew said soma is a LVL C quantum bran waves user so it means innovator must be around lvl A and setsuna will become LVL 00A or something XD
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