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Zek · 2009-02-11, 19:50

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Originally Posted by JINBEI

Why? as far as what has been shown and stated in the story goes Pain > Madara.

When was this shown or stated? Pain is Madara's subordinate in Akatsuki.

DeDe · 2009-02-11, 21:04

The weird thing is at the end of the spoiler, Inoichi seems to understand what Shikamaru wants to do with the Pain bodies.

Shizune said that the metal rods were still receiving chakra even though that Pain was out of commission. That was her great contribution. So I wonder if Shikamaru is trying to create some type of chakra disturbance through the rods that could throw off Deva Pain and even lead them to a source(Nagato). Ino and her dad would play a role in this. And the Hyuuga could be needed.

Silly Pain. If he had just let Hidan and Kakuzu kill Shikamaru, Ino, and the rest back at the bounty station instead of calling them back he'd still be okay. Never leave the guy with the over 200 I.Q. alive.

Rahan · 2009-02-11, 21:09

When Shika talked of dead bodies, Inoichi probably remembered the tower where the Rain ninjas sent Animal Pain's dead body before she received the Rinnegan.
Chapter 424 page 7 "there is a rumor ... that Pain is really there"

It was so obvious it was "the Real One"'s location and that the connection would be made once someone would know both the tower's existence and that the chakra is sent from somewhere.

cloak_and_dagger · 2009-02-11, 22:05

It amazes me how Kishi could bring back Choji's dad but could kill off the apprentice of the Hokage with no fight-back whatsoever. She was a minor character, so what was the purpose of killing her off??

...Unless Sakura is taking her place and gets Sannin training level II.

Nintendo · 2009-02-11, 22:11

where does it say pa frog is dead for sure?

**Hunter** · 2009-02-11, 22:23

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Originally Posted by Fukitsu Naruto

For a guy who is able to blast ninja villages like nothing he doesn't seem to act in a maniacal fashion.

Are we talking about the same person? The deluded guy fancying himself a god who impulsively decided to destroy a village because Tsunade irritated him because she didn't seem to understand his grandiose plan to destroy the world in order to save it?
Nagato is more insane that Deidara ever was and that's saying something.

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Originally Posted by james0246

^Naruto hasn't used that 'speech' with any success since his fight with Gaara (he tried and failed to use the speech on Sasuke back in Part I).

He turned Chiyo, Sai and somewhat Kabuto in a twisted way.

**james0246** · 2009-02-11, 22:34

^I was talking more about one of the "Shounen Speeches" Naruto gives during a fight with an enemy (ala Neji and Gaara, and partially Sasuke).

But, you are correct, Naruto worked his oratorical mojo to warp Chiyo and Sai to best suit Naruto's interests (I think we had a discussion about that once

).

Fipskuul · 2009-02-11, 23:05

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Originally Posted by Hunter

Nagato is more insane that Deidara ever was and that's saying something.

I don't know human psychology, but, that seems to be the case. Deidara was showing his craziness with his emotions, while, Pain, with his puppets, is emotionless. It is almost like a punishment from the God, so no guilt, no over-thinking, just doing it.

randomness · 2009-02-11, 23:06

......Shizune is not important so wat if she dies??

NDK · 2009-02-11, 23:09

Shizune needs to die memorably, unlike Haku.

Fipskuul · 2009-02-11, 23:13

Depends on where you stand. Shizune is one of the few people that Tsunade fully trusts. Must be the second most powerful medic ninja in Konoha, and an important part of the Konoha backbone, in case Tsunade loses her life. But, if you are looking from behind Pain's shoulders, yeah, she is nothing, much like Kakashi, and others.

Souten no Seigyoku · 2009-02-12, 00:09

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Originally Posted by Photonbeam

It makes sense that the Absorption Pain turns into a frog after absorbing Naruto's sage chakra.

Not a problem!
One of the Paine Girls can kiss him and turn him back

Freya · 2009-02-12, 00:44

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Originally Posted by cloak_and_dagger

It amazes me how Kishi could bring back Choji's dad but could kill off the apprentice of the Hokage with no fight-back whatsoever. She was a minor character, so what was the purpose of killing her off??

...Unless Sakura is taking her place and gets Sannin training level II.

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Originally Posted by Fipskuul

Depends on where you stand. Shizune is one of the few people that Tsunade fully trusts. Must be the second most powerful medic ninja in Konoha, and an important part of the Konoha backbone, in case Tsunade loses her life. But, if you are looking from behind Pain's shoulders, yeah, she is nothing, much like Kakashi, and others.

Okay.....besides all that....what has she done? Nothing really. She was a good character but useless in the matter. Story won't really be affected with her death unlike Kakashi's....though not confirmed if he's dead or not.

Kishi has no need for her so that's why he killed her off. Choji's dad if he died it wouldn't have mattered either.

Fipskuul · 2009-02-12, 01:00

It does not matter whether she has done anything or not. Except for a few selected characters, every character in this story is expendable. But, that does not mean the character has no importance or not. She may, if desired. She is a quite capable character herself, capable of doing something just like what Chiyo did. There are many ways to make a character important. In this kind of a story, it doesn't always matter whether she had no past or a glorious past in the story.

Anyways, the main argument that you can use to support Shizune getting wasted is actually quite simple: both the current Hokage and one of the main characters are medic nins. Hence, what she can do, can be achieved by using the remaining two. But, by wasting her, you actually open the path for Sakura. For instance, techniques that have been handed to Shizune, will be now handed to Sakura, since she will be the only remaining trustable and capable medic nin for Tsunade. I don't know if that will help Sakura, and elevate her status from a no-impact one to an impact one. Let's just hope that be the case.

Slayerx · 2009-02-12, 01:57

the only thing that ticks me off about Shizune's death is that it really was a pointless death... i mean the reason she died was so pain could extract the information of where Naruto was, but since Naruto came back, that information is completely useless now... frankly, i think i'd feel better if her death meant something, like her death in a way lead to Naruto getting hunted down by Pain... nut the fact that Pain ended up not needeing the info, the meaning of her death at that given time and place of all times and places has become meaningless

I think i might also be a bit annoyed with the way she died... namely that we were never really certain if what Pain did to her was deadly... it left her death a bit up in the air and thus ruined the death moment... same can be said with Kakashi; Kishi has used the "if i do this i will die" line before without killing them off, it really ends up interfering with Kakashi's death, cause we are not 100% sure he's really dead or if he is just setting up another fake out... Kishi may THINK it's a convincing death, but it isn't since he has done this kind of shit before but did not deliver.... hell i'm STILL not 100% convinced he's really dead.

Souten no Seigyoku · 2009-02-12, 02:48

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Originally Posted by cloak_and_dagger

It amazes me how Kishi could bring back Choji's dad but could kill off the apprentice of the Hokage with no fight-back whatsoever. She was a minor character, so what was the purpose of killing her off??

...Unless Sakura is taking her place and gets Sannin training level II.

The purpose is killing a known, likeable character w/o having to kill one of the main ones. Remember, Asuma and possibly Kakashi died recently, and they cant have main characters dying left and right.

Shizune gives the 100 deaths more of an impact. You feel the loss more with a known character acting as the poster child for the deaths

**james0246** · 2009-02-12, 03:48

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Originally Posted by The Small One

No. Pain is the leader. This was stated several times.

That is also not quite true. First of all, Madara created Akatsuki, not Pain. Secondly, the majority of the current members seem to follow Madara, not Pain. Zetsu seems to exclusively follow Madara (or at least Zetsu seems to know more of Madara's plans than any other member), and Kisame also seems to (now) follow Madara (added to that, Team Taka works for Madara, not Pain). So, besides Konan, Pain does not seem to lead anyone anymore (and it is debatable if Pain was ever the actual Leader or simply a figure-head).

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Originally Posted by The Small One

Madara is just a normal member... a member who also happens to be the client (remember: Ninjas do missions for their clients, who pay them).

So if a genin had hired the Hokage (and his/her subordinates), that would mean that the genin could needlessly order the Hokage around? Somehow, I find such an event occuring to be...unlikely.

Justin Kim · 2009-02-12, 06:23

This really throws off all my predictions, now it's making Pain more mysterious ?.?, but ahh lol how come I didn't think of the sage chakra absorption factor-__- I most have been so intent on Naruto kicking Pain in the butt...

tatami · 2009-02-12, 09:16

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Originally Posted by The Small One

No. Pain is the leader. This was stated several times.

Madara is just a normal member... a member who also happens to be the client (remember: Ninjas do missions for their clients, who pay them).

pain is the leader of akatsuki members bur madara is the one found akatsuki and owns it.

madara is not a normal member tobi was a normal member...madara is the mastermind behind akatsuki group like

madara own the corparate and pain is the ceo...

Luminion Lancer · 2009-02-12, 10:04

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Originally Posted by Hunter

Are we talking about the same person? The deluded guy fancying himself a god who impulsively decided to destroy a village because Tsunade irritated him because she didn't seem to understand his grandiose plan to destroy the world in order to save it?
Nagato is more insane that Deidara ever was and that's saying something.

-I guess that our definitions of maniacal differ. While it is true that Pain has referred to himself as a god that doesn't make him maniacal in my book. Until he starts screaming at cherries for not responding to his questions, wears hats on his feet and kills people with a toothpic I have no reason to believe he is maniacal (or if you prefer "psychotic"). Besides, for all we know, the person who commands Pain (Nagato) may have indeed achieved God-status. As for the destroying village business I'd call that more as a show of proof for his claims and anger but not malice. Of course, that is not to say that he is correct in his methods and thinking, something which will come from Naruto's heart-to-heart speech.

2009-02-11, 21:04	Link #42
DeDe Ino-Shika-Cho Join Date: Jan 2007	The weird thing is at the end of the spoiler, Inoichi seems to understand what Shikamaru wants to do with the Pain bodies. Shizune said that the metal rods were still receiving chakra even though that Pain was out of commission. That was her great contribution. So I wonder if Shikamaru is trying to create some type of chakra disturbance through the rods that could throw off Deva Pain and even lead them to a source(Nagato). Ino and her dad would play a role in this. And the Hyuuga could be needed. Silly Pain. If he had just let Hidan and Kakuzu kill Shikamaru, Ino, and the rest back at the bounty station instead of calling them back he'd still be okay. Never leave the guy with the over 200 I.Q. alive. __________________

2009-02-11, 21:09	Link #43
Rahan Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: France	When Shika talked of dead bodies, Inoichi probably remembered the tower where the Rain ninjas sent Animal Pain's dead body before she received the Rinnegan. Chapter 424 page 7 "there is a rumor ... that Pain is really there" It was so obvious it was "the Real One"'s location and that the connection would be made once someone would know both the tower's existence and that the chakra is sent from somewhere. Last edited by Rahan; 2009-02-11 at 22:30.

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Nintendo start thinkin bout clones Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Los Angeles,California Age: 29	where does it say pa frog is dead for sure? __________________

2009-02-11, 23:13	Link #51
Fipskuul τηε πιγητ ωατςη Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: τηè λαnδ of веагз αnδ дг	Depends on where you stand. Shizune is one of the few people that Tsunade fully trusts. Must be the second most powerful medic ninja in Konoha, and an important part of the Konoha backbone, in case Tsunade loses her life. But, if you are looking from behind Pain's shoulders, yeah, she is nothing, much like Kakashi, and others. __________________

2009-02-12, 01:00	Link #54
Fipskuul τηε πιγητ ωατςη Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: τηè λαnδ of веагз αnδ дг	It does not matter whether she has done anything or not. Except for a few selected characters, every character in this story is expendable. But, that does not mean the character has no importance or not. She may, if desired. She is a quite capable character herself, capable of doing something just like what Chiyo did. There are many ways to make a character important. In this kind of a story, it doesn't always matter whether she had no past or a glorious past in the story. Anyways, the main argument that you can use to support Shizune getting wasted is actually quite simple: both the current Hokage and one of the main characters are medic nins. Hence, what she can do, can be achieved by using the remaining two. But, by wasting her, you actually open the path for Sakura. For instance, techniques that have been handed to Shizune, will be now handed to Sakura, since she will be the only remaining trustable and capable medic nin for Tsunade. I don't know if that will help Sakura, and elevate her status from a no-impact one to an impact one. Let's just hope that be the case. __________________

2009-02-11, 22:05	Link #44
cloak_and_dagger Hei aka Li Xiansheng Graphic Designer Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Kasumigaseki; where contractors dwell. Age: 24	It amazes me how Kishi could bring back Choji's dad but could kill off the apprentice of the Hokage with no fight-back whatsoever. She was a minor character, so what was the purpose of killing her off?? ...Unless Sakura is taking her place and gets Sannin training level II.

2009-02-11, 22:34	Link #47
james0246 Senior Member Moderator Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: East Cupcake	^I was talking more about one of the "Shounen Speeches" Naruto gives during a fight with an enemy (ala Neji and Gaara, and partially Sasuke). But, you are correct, Naruto worked his oratorical mojo to warp Chiyo and Sai to best suit Naruto's interests (I think we had a discussion about that once ).

2009-02-11, 23:06	Link #49
randomness Member Join Date: Jan 2009	......Shizune is not important so wat if she dies??

2009-02-11, 23:09	Link #50
NDK ArtRodriguez Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Central Coast	Shizune needs to die memorably, unlike Haku.

2009-02-12, 01:57	Link #55
Slayerx Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005	the only thing that ticks me off about Shizune's death is that it really was a pointless death... i mean the reason she died was so pain could extract the information of where Naruto was, but since Naruto came back, that information is completely useless now... frankly, i think i'd feel better if her death meant something, like her death in a way lead to Naruto getting hunted down by Pain... nut the fact that Pain ended up not needeing the info, the meaning of her death at that given time and place of all times and places has become meaningless I think i might also be a bit annoyed with the way she died... namely that we were never really certain if what Pain did to her was deadly... it left her death a bit up in the air and thus ruined the death moment... same can be said with Kakashi; Kishi has used the "if i do this i will die" line before without killing them off, it really ends up interfering with Kakashi's death, cause we are not 100% sure he's really dead or if he is just setting up another fake out... Kishi may THINK it's a convincing death, but it isn't since he has done this kind of shit before but did not deliver.... hell i'm STILL not 100% convinced he's really dead. Last edited by Slayerx; 2009-02-12 at 03:23.

2009-02-12, 06:23	Link #58
Justin Kim Senior Member Artist Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Orange County, California	This really throws off all my predictions, now it's making Pain more mysterious ?.?, but ahh lol how come I didn't think of the sage chakra absorption factor-__- I most have been so intent on Naruto kicking Pain in the butt...