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Old 2009-04-27, 22:06   Link #421
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Why the heck does Uub look like a miniature version of Goku. but with a Mohawk? LOL.
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Old 2009-04-27, 23:37   Link #422
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Just watched episode 4 and it was quite enjoyable. Gotta love Piccolo's attitude handling baby Gohan.

"Hey kid wake up. Look, your father's dead, but if you so much as cry I'll break your neck, got it!?"

The beginning of a beautiful friendship indeed.

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Only the stuff I mentioned in my previous post was filler material, which took up a fairly good portion of time. Besides that, it was a good informative episode with good pacing. I just don't like how Toei is omitting canon material in favor of retaining unnecessary filler. That is just wrong.
I've never read the manga, only have read a general description of what parts were filler, so I've no idea but would like to know, which canon scenes have they omitted so far? I do agree that it's pretty lame that they're doing so while labeling this as "Toryama's Cut"
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Old 2009-04-28, 03:28   Link #423
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Episode 4 covered 2 chapters. What kind of irritated me was that they still kept in quite a bit of filler in this episode. Honestly, who cares about seeing ChiChi at home worrying sick about Goku and Gohan and wondering why they're not back yet? Then we get more time wasted by having Krillin show up at the door trying to explain the situation only to be invited to dinner by Ox King. A good few minutes was spent on this crappy material that could have been used to possibly cover a third chapter. The fact that Toei is selectively keeping in some filler while omitting scenes from the manga is starting to get ridiculous.
I agree, at first when I read the "You're going to eat him?" line wasn't included I pretty much assumed that if they cover three chapters then removing some 'minor' lines could be forgiven due to time constraint (let's be honest here dialogue intensive chapters take to longer to 'animate' then fight intensive chapters) But they've removed the line and included pointless filler (and flashback) was just an insult.

Having said that I'm guessing they've did this because they've wanted the entire Gohan going giant ape scenario in one episode.

Anyway as for the Buu saga discussion on the previous, I've always had a soft spot for Buu saga especially Majin Vegeta part because that's what got me into Dragonball Z.
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Old 2009-04-28, 03:40   Link #424
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So is this "You're going to eat him?" a true original line from the manga? Cause to me it sounds like the kind of stuff that the English dub would take the liberty to add.

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I loved Buu, especially his first form. I just love how his character design is nothing we ever expected to see after how much he was built up to be the strongest being in the series at that time.
Well the suprising character design of his first form was indeed effective, but he only got worse as he kept on changing, with Kid Buu ending up as one of the most shallow villains in the series. The endless regeneration was also really cheap and made things rather tedious. He could've been killed as soon as Dabura if not for it.
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Old 2009-04-28, 04:39   Link #425
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So is this "You're going to eat him?" a true original line from the manga? Cause to me it sounds like the kind of stuff that the English dub would take the liberty to add.
Yes, it was in the manga.
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Old 2009-04-28, 05:24   Link #426
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Anyway as for the Buu saga discussion on the previous, I've always had a soft spot for Buu saga especially Majin Vegeta part because that's what got me into Dragonball Z.
Well personally I thought Dragonball Z would have ended perfectly with the defeat of Cell.

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Old 2009-04-28, 05:41   Link #427
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Well personally I thought Dragonball Z would have ended perfectly with the defeat of Cell.

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Lol I remember watching Goku use a spirit bomb for the first time. I was thinking to myself, "whoever gets hit by this is going to get an epic spanking." In my opinion after watching Goku do it many times, and especially having annoying Hercules generate the power for it. I found it to be an overused power that was just way too overpowering and a lame way to usually finish an arc. I prefer Goku beating the crap out of his opponents then using kame .
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Old 2009-04-28, 05:47   Link #428
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Yeah, and the fact that the final "big fight" of DBZ was basically Vegeta getting his ass kicked by Kid Buu in order to stall for time made it all the more disappointing. There was no real competitive final showdown, which in a series as fight-centric as DBZ is not a good thing.
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Old 2009-04-28, 06:03   Link #429
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Yeah I definitely think the Buu saga has the worst ending but I did really like

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I also have a soft spot for Chibi Trunks and Goten (although I am not too fond of Gotenks)
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Old 2009-04-28, 06:26   Link #430
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Old 2009-04-28, 07:11   Link #431
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Also just to see if I can get a straight answer

SSJ2 Gohan (Cell Saga)
SSJ Brolly (Bulky muscles)
SP Cell
Bojack Transformed

For raw power whats the order?
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Old 2009-04-28, 07:49   Link #432
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Well personally I thought Dragonball Z would have ended perfectly with the defeat of Cell.

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Old 2009-04-28, 07:50   Link #433
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People actually didn't like the way Buu saga ended? I think it ended the best way it could. By the time Buu came in, there really was no room for competitiveness sine Buu was either going to destroy the universe or he was going to be stopped. The competitiveness was there for a little while until everyone realized it simply had to end.
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Old 2009-04-28, 14:08   Link #434
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I've never read the manga, only have read a general description of what parts were filler, so I've no idea but would like to know, which canon scenes have they omitted so far? I do agree that it's pretty lame that they're doing so while labeling this as "Toryama's Cut"
Things are too detailed and elaborate for me to list here for you, so instead I will direct you to this website: http://www.kanzentai.com/index.php

Thorough reviews have been done for every episode of DB Kai that has aired so far, and there you will find material that was cut from the manga chapters corresponding to the episodes which they constitute. I hope this helps.
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Old 2009-04-28, 19:56   Link #435
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Lol I find it comical that Goku dies at times, and then is re-born haha. I just can't imagine a world like that.
"Hey I thought I just killed you 5 minutes ago...!"
"Yeah....I got a freaking halo around my head so wut?"
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Old 2009-04-28, 20:14   Link #436
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Lol I find it comical that Goku dies at times, and then is re-born haha. I just can't imagine a world like that.
"Hey I thought I just killed you 5 minutes ago...!"
"Yeah....I got a freaking halo around my head so wut?"
Reminds me of Elder Kai in Buu Saga.

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Elder Kai collapses, Goku's halo disappears.
Goku - "Thank you, Elder Kai. Your sacrifice will not be in vain."
Elder Kai stands back up with a halo over his head
Elder Kai - "JUST GET GOING, YOU IDIOT!"
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Old 2009-04-28, 21:11   Link #437
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actually goku uses spirit bombs to defeat quite a few enemies --but only in the movie I remember he did that two times in the movie at least...

And @Waking_Dreamer

In terms of raw power...of course SSJ3 is the top one...and I don't know which way does your list go...(up or down XD) but Gohan in SSJ2 while in Cell saga should be stronger than Brolly at his best already...(or equal at least)
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Old 2009-04-29, 04:04   Link #438
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Things are too detailed and elaborate for me to list here for you, so instead I will direct you to this website: http://www.kanzentai.com/index.php

Thorough reviews have been done for every episode of DB Kai that has aired so far, and there you will find material that was cut from the manga chapters corresponding to the episodes which they constitute. I hope this helps.
Ah yes, that is quite helpful, thank you. *bookmarks*

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actually goku uses spirit bombs to defeat quite a few enemies --but only in the movie I remember he did that two times in the movie at least...
Yes and they even made up the Super Saiyan style Spirit Bomb, where he absorbed its power to himself. That was... well, strange to say the least.

The movies were quite predictable in that sense. Everyone always showed up just to get their asses kicked until good old Goku decided it was time for the movie to end and hogged the kill all to himself. Oh well, they were still mildly entertaining.
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Old 2009-04-29, 04:41   Link #439
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Only thing I found strange about that was that he made it into the spirit bomb in the first place instead of keeping it inside. According to the early explanations of how it works, the spirit energy goes directly into your body and you have to push it out to make the bomb.
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Old 2009-04-29, 05:58   Link #440
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In terms of raw power...of course SSJ3 is the top one...and I don't know which way does your list go...(up or down XD) but Gohan in SSJ2 while in Cell saga should be stronger than Brolly at his best already...(or equal at least)
Thast what I was thinking but wasnt there a part in a movie (Return of Brolly) where Gohan (Buu Saga) goes SSJ2 against Brolly but a direct punch to the face didnt even flinch him....?

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