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Old 2009-12-22, 06:51   Link #1401
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Isn't it a bit too early for such epic music?
I don't think we've heard the full version of the song.
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Old 2009-12-22, 07:30   Link #1402
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When Vegeta said if the three of us fight together then maybe we can beat him I was just thinking of this:

Vegeta: If the 3 of us work together and fight him we will be able to beat him
Krillin: Yeah Vegeta's right if the 3 of us-
Vegeta: Me, Kakarot and his son will beat you!
Krillin: Aww dammit, what do I do?
Vegeta: Meatshield
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Old 2009-12-22, 09:16   Link #1403
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When Vegeta said if the three of us fight together then maybe we can beat him I was just thinking of this:

Vegeta: If the 3 of us work together and fight him we will be able to beat him
Krillin: Yeah Vegeta's right if the 3 of us-
Vegeta: Me, Kakarot and his son will beat you!
Krillin: Aww dammit, what do I do?
Vegeta: Meatshield
Haha absolutely brilliant . You can bet that's exactly what Vegeta meant. Well either that or Vegeta, Gohan, and Dende .

Anyways great way to finish the episode. Was surprised with the music but it really just made the scene all the more powerful. I mean damn Krillin has been knocked around quite a bit lately, but this time he just got outright impaled. Some simple trip to gather some Dragon Balls eh.
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Old 2009-12-22, 09:30   Link #1404
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It's a shame Gohan and Kuririn were so damn shocked by Freeza's transformation, because they should be having a go at Vegeta for telling Freeza he should transform.
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Old 2009-12-22, 10:06   Link #1405
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lol face it guys, Akira Toriyama just didn't put that much effort into deciding power levels
This person speaks the truth . Beyond what's stated in the manga and daizenshuu, everything else is nothing but conjecture. There is no need to get into so many technicalities or mathematical equations as a means of deriving power levels. None of us are Akira Toriyama, and it's clear that characters got certain boosts in power just for the sake of the plot. Let's just enjoy the story for what it is and leave it at that.
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Old 2009-12-22, 12:34   Link #1406
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I mean damn Krillin has been knocked around quite a bit lately, but this time he just got outright impaled. Some simple trip to gather some Dragon Balls eh.
Ha, and his misery is far from over, too. Poor guy.
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Old 2009-12-22, 15:57   Link #1407
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The piccolo/nail fuse seemed to drag out a bit so I was wondering if the english dub did a better job at his scene...

hell no! hahahaah I was laughing my ass off at this for two reasons:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8S8UZ4hX0L8

Nail's voice actor was terrible. I laugh everytime he says "uhhhh"
It gets a little.... weird once piccolo starts to actually fuse with him "uhh.. yeah.. just put it rightt... theerree"
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Old 2009-12-22, 17:02   Link #1408
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I still say, the only good part of the dub was Bruce Faulconer's amazing score.
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Old 2009-12-22, 17:37   Link #1409
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The piccolo/nail fuse seemed to drag out a bit so I was wondering if the english dub did a better job at his scene...

hell no! hahahaah I was laughing my ass off at this for two reasons:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8S8UZ4hX0L8

Nail's voice actor was terrible. I laugh everytime he says "uhhhh"
It gets a little.... weird once piccolo starts to actually fuse with him "uhh.. yeah.. just put it rightt... theerree"
You must have loved it when Piccolo said, "You can stay until we beat Freeza. After that, I'm going to charge you rent. You got that?"

The cheesiness of the dub is simply hilarious .
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Old 2009-12-22, 20:02   Link #1410
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About power levels:

it would be wery silly for Freeza to have power level of 120x compared to his second form. so, no, he did not have a power level of 120 mil in his final form.

allso, there is a bit of a bug with series, and manga power calculations:

Vegeta in order to defeat Zarbon, must have had over 35.000-40.000. that is the fact.

when confronted by the Recoom, it is obvious that Recoom along with Jees and Batta had similar power levels of about just over 40.000.

When Ginyu stated that Goku had about 60.000 we must say that he was wrong.

so - after eating a senzu, Vegeta must have had a power level OF ALLMOST 500.000 in order to confront Freeza first form. whitch is ridiculous.

from 40.000 to 500k is stupid. atleast for me.

and, there is no acutal way to justify this, cause Ginyu stated that 60.000 is enough to defeat both Jees and Batta.

there's a big error.

just maybe it can be explained by the fact that a Sayajin overcoming that first power levels of 30.000-40.000 gets a boost of power, of, let's say - times 8, achieved by healing abillity.

in that manner, we can actually justify goku's Kaioken vs Freeza -

Freeza first form: 530.000

Freeza second form: 1.100.000

Freeza third form: 3-4 mill

Freeza final without powerup: 6 mil (he stated that in a final form he uses only 50% of full)

6 mill divided by 20 gives us 300.000, so, we must assume that goku had a little less - 280.000 after healing (explains the boost of power whitch i stated earlier) and he could actually be a mach for Freeza.

and we all know the story behing Gohan's emotions
All I have to say is you're combatting the canon data books with your own speculation. Freeza's final form was 120,000,000. It doesn't matter if you like it or not, Toriyama said so.
Goku shouldn't have been able to jump from 8,000 to 180,000 in a week, or from 400-whatever to 8,000. These guys grow exponentially.
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Old 2009-12-23, 01:29   Link #1411
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Only Akira Toriyama can give out power levels for the characters of Dragon Ball. There were many debates about this during the Freeza Saga. Saiyajins and even half-Saiyajins gain power when near death and completely recover from their wounds. There are still some loopholes like Goku's power level when he first fought Freeza. Nevertheless, this series is jam-packed with action and surprises.
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Old 2009-12-23, 10:05   Link #1412
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You must have loved it when Piccolo said, "You can stay until we beat Freeza. After that, I'm going to charge you rent. You got that?"

The cheesiness of the dub is simply hilarious .
Haha yeah the dub really had some hilarious lines . Damn cheesy but you can't help laughing at it.
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Old 2009-12-23, 14:16   Link #1413
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All I have to say is you're combatting the canon data books with your own speculation. Freeza's final form was 120,000,000. It doesn't matter if you like it or not, Toriyama said so.
Goku shouldn't have been able to jump from 8,000 to 180,000 in a week, or from 400-whatever to 8,000. These guys grow exponentially.
ok, so, give me a link where toryama stated that Freeza iz 120 million in final form, instead of 12 million .. ?

i read over 9000 aricles staing that freeza iz 12 mill, not 120 mill, and that the missinterpretation of that fact is the accidental zero added by toryama, which he stated is a mistake.

and, figure out for your self -

if vegeta could destroy planets wih 17.000, and acording to yours calculaions, in Cell saga they had over 10 billion PL - a sneaze of a character with that kind of power would obliterate the whole universe along with Supreme Kai's planet ..

it's silly for freeza o have his power level multiplied by 240 from his first form, to his last.
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Old 2009-12-23, 14:29   Link #1414
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ok, so, give me a link where toryama stated that Freeza iz 120 million in final form, instead of 12 million .. ?
It's stated in the Daizenshuu 7.

And lol personally I can't stand the cheesiness of the dub. *remembers Goku's speech against Freeza* Argh. Nope, doesn't make me laugh one bit.
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Old 2009-12-24, 00:24   Link #1415
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The music when Krillin got stabbed was a little over the top
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Old 2009-12-24, 14:41   Link #1416
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The music when Krillin got stabbed was a little over the top
lol I think the animators really want us to care about krillin.

...but we all know no one, except for Shiroth, gives a damn.

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Old 2009-12-24, 14:42   Link #1417
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...but we all know no one gives a damn.
I do actually.
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Old 2009-12-24, 16:12   Link #1418
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Krillin is pretty awesome if you've seen Dragon Ball. He played a bigger role in that series so he wasn't as pitiful as he appears in DBZ. Also, he already died in Dragon Ball and at this point in the series the characters aren't aware the Namek dragon would return so in their minds, if he dies, he's gone forever.
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Old 2009-12-25, 00:58   Link #1419
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I just realised the Theme of Freeza is in the Dragonball Kai Character Song collection. For I just got my hands on it.

Not bad. Though I would have more chanting than singing in that song.

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Old 2009-12-25, 03:15   Link #1420
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I just realised the Theme of Freeza is in the Dragonball Kai Character Song collection. For I just got my hands on it.

Not bad. Though I would have more chanting than singing in that song.
The one we've been talking about in episode 37?
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