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View Poll Results: Toradora! - Episode 23 Rating
Perfect 10 86 50.89%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 52 30.77%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 16 9.47%
7 out of 10 : Good 8 4.73%
6 out of 10 : Average 3 1.78%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 1 0.59%
4 out of 10 : Poor 0 0%
3 out of 10 : Bad 0 0%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 0 0%
1 out of 10 : Painful 3 1.78%
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Old 2009-03-11, 18:32   Link #41
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Re: the novels
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However I am reading the work of several amateur translators. So perhaps the original text is better. The thing I didn't like about the translated novels is that the writing style was kinda boring.
They're "light novels", disposable books like mangas for people to read on train journeys and such. A light novel is quite short by today's publishing standards. Compared to regular "literary" novels, the plot structure is simple and there is a certain amount of padding where the characters tell you what they're thinking rather than it being revealed by their interactions with others.

Japanese storytelling traits are different to Western methods of telling a story -- for example I could easily see Toradora finishing without Ryuuji and Taiga confessing their love to each other, but part of that is that they aren't boyfriend/girlfriend, they're Ryuuji and Taiga and they're comfortable with each other which is probably better for them in the long run. Western storytelling requires a climax and a resolution at the end; we might get this in Toradora but it's not guaranteed.

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Old 2009-03-11, 18:32   Link #42
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Relationship is not the same as romance. There are relationship that are not necessarily romance. I agree that relationship plays big part in it, it just is not a romance or not romance yet.
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Old 2009-03-11, 18:43   Link #43
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Thats because for the bigger part it is NOT a romantic comedy. Romantic part comes only at the end. And at the cost of almost completely killing the comedy.
Uh, Toradora is still pretty funny, even now.

Also, you clearly don't know what a "romantic comedy" is if you think this isn't one.

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Relationship is not the same as romance. There are relationship that are not necessarily romance. I agree that relationship plays big part in it, it just is not a romance or not romance yet.
Romance is in the eye of the beholder, try to remember.
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Old 2009-03-11, 19:01   Link #44
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Okay, just finished watching a stream. (not the nico but thanks for the link 4get, I'll keep it in mind. :3 )

Spoiler for ep23:


Kaisos I can barely understand a thing they're saying but I got a little bit of what went on. Also waiting on subs to get more then the gist.

Spoiler for Haruta:
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Old 2009-03-11, 19:19   Link #45
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After re-watching the episode, from I could pick up from it:

Spoiler for ep 23:

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Old 2009-03-11, 19:23   Link #46
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Felt the episode was, in a way as said earlier, awkward. You kinda had this feeling that they just picked out parts here and there and put it together.
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Old 2009-03-11, 19:33   Link #47
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Felt the episode was, in a way as said earlier, awkward. You kinda had this feeling that they just picked out parts here and there and put it together.
Well given the circumstances it was probably pretty hard to set everything up. They could've even had to start planning for the episode a ways before the book was ready for print.
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Old 2009-03-11, 19:41   Link #48
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Well given the circumstances it was probably pretty hard to set everything up. They could've even had to start planning for the episode a ways before the book was ready for print.
If the first scene was (as what I had hoped)

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Then perhaps they would have more time to build things up better. Instead we have more Ami. Need subs and novel to understand why.
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Old 2009-03-11, 19:43   Link #49
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I was planning to approach this episode the way I do Clannad Raws i.e. Play the game/read the original text while watching the episode to understand what I can't, but based on people's comments I guess I'll wait for the subs.
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Old 2009-03-11, 19:43   Link #50
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hehe wasn't it you that asked about Noto and how he wanted to get Kitamura and Taiga together, I remember answering that question that he had the hots for Kihara

well now we have our answer!
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Old 2009-03-11, 20:20   Link #51
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I agree. But it was kind of funny.

Like a few others have mentioned already, there were some parts that felt a bit awkward in this episode, but all in all it was interesting. I wasn't expecting things to come to that little 3-on-1 at the end. Can't say I particularly liked or disliked it as a means to get some questions answered.
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Old 2009-03-11, 21:55   Link #52
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Another thing: Is it possible for Taiga to get any cuter?

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Old 2009-03-11, 22:58   Link #53
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Old 2009-03-11, 23:02   Link #54
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Old 2009-03-11, 23:09   Link #55
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Old 2009-03-11, 23:32   Link #56
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It wasn't nearly that explicit, but the underlying meaning nonetheless.

The part where Minori says Ami betrays her/calls her a traitor when she gets out of Taiga's way seems to imply that Minori wasn't expecting that from Ami. Which I felt was kind of odd. When did those two establish an understanding where one could expect something from the other?
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Old 2009-03-11, 23:59   Link #57
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Once again, a really nice episode. The outcome is now totally obvious, if you weren't alreadyconvinced by last 2 episodes.
Too bad for me since it wasn't my favored pair, but honestly I don't care too much, since it was well done overall.


i agree was hoping for a different pair but doubt it will happen
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Old 2009-03-12, 00:20   Link #58
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It wasn't nearly that explicit, but the underlying meaning nonetheless.
It's because it wasn't that explicit, that's why I needed a few rewinds to really understand that scene. And yeah, you're right.

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Old 2009-03-12, 00:21   Link #59
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Maybe they planned that entire confrontation. Somehow.
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Old 2009-03-12, 01:05   Link #60
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Maybe they planned that entire confrontation. Somehow.
It almost feels that way but that should be impossible. Unless we're supposed to accept that a bunch of stuff happened off screen.
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