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Old 2009-12-04, 21:01   Link #1761
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^ I would think she wanted to sabotage Shizuku mentally by having Natsuru raping her then dumping her afterwards, coz obviously Natsuru's heart is still elsewhere and knowing him, he'd have trouble taking responsibility.
I did think of that, but knowing Shizuku, she wouldn't really get fooled by such an obvious plan, especially if the trigger is Natsuru.

I'm still in daze whether Sakura has a hidden personality that she's unaware of, or if she's just showing her true colors which she kept hidden all this time.
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Old 2009-12-04, 21:05   Link #1762
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I was thinking this myself. The show doesn't seem at all interested in giving each of the girls a fair showing. Normally for a harem show like this they'll build up to the ending by giving each girl their own episode, and it looked like they were doing this at first, but then they followed up Shizuku's date with this whole little arc which gives Shizuku even more attention. More than merely stealing the scenes that she appears in, she's actually getting more airtime and development. They're sort of leading up to a Shizuku ending, but honestly I can't imagine that happening for some reason. It's all very odd. If she does "win" though, I wonder if we're seeing the beginning of a new archetype becoming popular.
Shizuku is pretty similar to Hitagi in Bakemonogatari. If Shizuku ends up with Natsuru, then that will mean that the Hitagi/Shizuku character type won two of the more prominent harem contests of this year in anime.

So... yes, I think that, along with Hitagi, Shizuku could represent the beginning of a new archetype becoming popular.

And, honestly, I'm glad to see it.


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This episode has confirmed for me whether or not Mikoto has a romantic interest in Natsuru.
Agreed. Like Zetsubo, I admit that I was wrong about Mikoto. Her romantic interest in Natsuru was made abundantly clear in this episode. It's almost as if the Kampfer anime team knew that Mikoto's romantic interest in Natsuru needed to be put clearly out there at this point, since it was very explicit for Akane and Shizuku.

I liked the frank, open discussion over the romantic contest between Akane, Mikoto, and Shizuku in this episode. It was nice to see the three girls be open, honest, and actually a bit mature in some ways, about it.
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Old 2009-12-04, 21:50   Link #1763
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Watched episode 10 and again the action seemed a little disjointed for me. For me, in the last few episodes, it seems the episodes begin with a decent beginning, drags on for a bit in the middle, and ends with a lot of suspense in the last minutes. I really hope the last couple of episodes build on the suspense, as I'm really interested in how all this will play out.

Evil Kaede just does something for me. I don't know what, but she has a very alluring effect on me. The little use of Kämpfer Natsuru is disheartening to me, though. Akane's character has seemed pretty stagnant lately and Mikoto's cheeriness and energy still annoy me for some reason. And Shizuku is just... the best.

So, the new rankings for the girls after episode 10.
5. Mikoto
4. Akane
3. Natsuru
2. Kaede
1. Shizuku
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Old 2009-12-04, 22:01   Link #1764
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It will be curious to see what kind of ending or cut-off point they'll be going for in the last two episodes.

In terms of the girls, my favorite remains Akane. However Mikoto is strong competition, and she might edge out Akane sometimes. Shizuku has been growing on me.

I can't tell if I like or dislike Kaede more now than I did before.
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Old 2009-12-04, 22:58   Link #1765
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Evil Kaede just does something for me.

Evil Kaede honestly has the potential to be a very good cerebral villain. We may finally have somebody to truly challenge Shizuku at a cunning and intellectual level.

"Normal" Kaede didn't bother me the way that she did many Kampfer fans, but I will admit... she's much better as a villain than just as another part of the Natsuru harem.
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Old 2009-12-04, 23:16   Link #1766
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Old 2009-12-04, 23:17   Link #1767
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I'm liking that Ryouka from White. She's so cute.

That smg/uzi......how can anyone block that? I don't think even Shizuku can block/dodge when that thing starts spraying!

I don't think any current Kampfers stand a chance to that.
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Old 2009-12-04, 23:34   Link #1768
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Lol, I'm watching the thing, and I just realized there's some things that don't make sense. But then again, it's Kampfer. Love that Umineko ref.

I find that Mikoto going to Natsuru's room just to detach Black Rabbit for that kiss is quite out of the way. And although it looks like Mikoto and Akane forgot about the doll, when Natsuru gets back, he's detaching Black Rabbit like she's always been there. Also, how do the dolls get to see the fireworks considering that they're facing away from the window?

Another special escape once again, this time Shizuku's. Considering where Natsuru's right hand was, the only way for her to move is upwards, and yet later she's on his right side. Harder to accept as reality compared to Natsuru flying after that punch back then.

But, then again, it's Kampfer. I don't watch this for seriousness. (I think that's the same for any anime I watch though)
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Old 2009-12-04, 23:59   Link #1769
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Shizuku is pretty similar to Hitagi in Bakemonogatari. If Shizuku ends up with Natsuru, then that will mean that the Hitagi/Shizuku character type won two of the more prominent harem contests of this year in anime.

So... yes, I think that, along with Hitagi, Shizuku could represent the beginning of a new archetype becoming popular.

And, honestly, I'm glad to see it.
This is a NOT new archetype. We have seen this archetype in the past. The so called 'classic tsundere's ' had it - go back to 80's and you will see somewhat similar characters Madoka from Kimagure Orange Road or Hayase from Macross, they had less exposed sexuality and bit less bold due to love triangle's but you can see a lot of similarities between the classic tsundere's and this 'new' Hitagi archetype.

Sheryl from Macross F also is pretty similar to this. So I would not consider this a new archetype - just retro archetype with added some contemporary traits (clearly expressed sexiness and even less hesitation).
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Old 2009-12-05, 00:19   Link #1770
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Just wondering, what does Sakura have to gain with Natsuru having sex with Shizuku? Are Kampers suppose to be virgins?
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Old 2009-12-05, 00:35   Link #1771
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Just wondering, what does Sakura have to gain with Natsuru having sex with Shizuku? Are Kampers suppose to be virgins?
No. Shizuku implies that she's a virgin, but that's not the point of Sakura's plan.

Sakura's plan is for Natsuru to totally distract Shizuku from her focus on Kaede's machinations by having Natsuru get into a serious relationship with her. I wouldn't really call it rape; Sakura told him that Shizuku loves him and would be willing if he was more forceful.

Basically, Kaede knows that Natsuru, Akane, and Kondou aren't a threat to her plans; only Shizuku is because only she is focused on what the white Kampfer are doing (Natsuru gets distracted every time he tried to think about it...), so the plan is to get Shizuku out of the running.

To be fair, it's not even that smart a plan; Shizuku can clearly multi-task and knows the difference between the business of Kampfer fighting and her personal relationship with Natsuru so I don't really think it'd work anyways. Shizuku is 100% business when it comes to fighting, although I guess she'd be worried about his safety which would be a crutch...
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Old 2009-12-05, 00:51   Link #1772
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No. Shizuku implies that she's a virgin, but that's not the point of Sakura's plan.

Sakura's plan is for Natsuru to totally distract Shizuku from her focus on Kaede's machinations by having Natsuru get into a serious relationship with her. I wouldn't really call it rape; Sakura told him that Shizuku loves him and would be willing if he was more forceful.

Basically, Kaede knows that Natsuru, Akane, and Kondou aren't a threat to her plans; only Shizuku is because only she is focused on what the white Kampfer are doing (Natsuru gets distracted every time he tried to think about it...), so the plan is to get Shizuku out of the running.

To be fair, it's not even that smart a plan; Shizuku can clearly multi-task and knows the difference between the business of Kampfer fighting and her personal relationship with Natsuru so I don't really think it'd work anyways. Shizuku is 100% business when it comes to fighting, although I guess she'd be worried about his safety which would be a crutch...
yea your guess is right, but her ultimate plan ,as a moderator (that's what the latest episode is hinting), is to have shizuku resume the war and fight the blue kampfers as she used to do before losing to natsuru; she plans to get her to do that through natsuru (according to sakura, even shizuku wouldn't refuse her lover's request).
of course she's gonna have natsuru tell her to stop investigating the moderators too
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Old 2009-12-05, 00:58   Link #1773
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yea your guess is right, but her ultimate plan ,as a moderator (that's what the latest episode is hinting), is to have shizuku resume the war and fight the blue kampfers as she used to do before losing to natsuru; she plans to get her to do that through natsuru (according to sakura, even shizuku wouldn't refuse her lover's request).
of course she's gonna have natsuru tell her to stop investigating the moderators too
It's complicated because we don't know what Sakura's real motivation is; from the novels it seemed as if keeping the war between blue and red going on was a very important factor.

It's just not clear how/why Shizuku would fight the blues after getting into a deeper relationship with Natsuru unless she somehow plans to have them break up in a really bitter manner or something and having Shizuku get pissed at the blues (i.e. force Natsuru onto Akane); it'd be weird for him to just request a restart of the war (after all Shizuku has her own reasons for wanting to go after the moderators, she mentions her friend who she lost in their date in Episode 7). I just don't see the angle, but I'd imagine we learn of Sakura's true goals in episode 11.
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Old 2009-12-05, 01:01   Link #1774
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Hitagi and Shizuku are closer to Su-Cool kuudere

I think they're as far as tsundere as they can be

Regardless, Sakura either has some personal issues with Shizuku but considering the mood of the anime so far, it's hard to imagine anything overly sinister. Not to mention that we're near the end.
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Old 2009-12-05, 01:25   Link #1775
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Just wondering, what does Sakura have to gain with Natsuru having sex with Shizuku? Are Kampers suppose to be virgins?
She's using him to get Shizuku under control and keep her from interfering with the war. Basically it's a distraction to keep Shizuku from figuring out too much about why Kämpfers have to fight.
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Old 2009-12-05, 02:42   Link #1776
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yea your guess is right, but her ultimate plan ,as a moderator (that's what the latest episode is hinting), is to have shizuku resume the war and fight the blue kampfers as she used to do before losing to natsuru; she plans to get her to do that through natsuru (according to sakura, even shizuku wouldn't refuse her lover's request).
of course she's gonna have natsuru tell her to stop investigating the moderators too
Speaking of war those puppets seem to get along with each other pretty well.

What's more disturbing to me is how easy it was for these puppets to get their "girls" to go to war with the exception of maybe Shizuku and Natsuru initally.

It's like Pokemon but on a "death match" level.

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Basically it's a distraction to keep Shizuku from figuring out too much about why Kämpfers have to fight.
Then I'd say that she really underestimates Shizuku.
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Old 2009-12-05, 04:17   Link #1777
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What's more disturbing to me is how easy it was for these puppets to get their "girls" to go to war with the exception of maybe Shizuku and Natsuru initally.
lol i am glad i am not the only person who thought this. I told my friend i thought it was pretty idiotic of these girls to just go kill ppl without a reason just cus a talkin doll told the to.
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Old 2009-12-05, 04:19   Link #1778
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Evil Sakura could mind control Natsuru but why doesn't she try mind controlling Shizuku
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Old 2009-12-05, 04:23   Link #1779
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Maybe she can only mind control someone who has an affection for her, even if it's slight?
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Old 2009-12-05, 04:30   Link #1780
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@zero7 well you could see yourself how quickly shizuku reacted as soon as the evil sakura showed her true colours at the end of the episode... and as mizuno said, she probably can't mind control someone who is unaffected by her charm
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