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View Poll Results: Clannad ~After Story~ - Extra Episode (Last year incident) Discussion / Poll
Perfect 10 54 40.60%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 41 30.83%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 20 15.04%
7 out of 10 : Good 13 9.77%
6 out of 10 : Average 4 3.01%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 0 0%
4 out of 10 : Poor 0 0%
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1 out of 10 : Painful 1 0.75%
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Old 2009-03-19, 19:02   Link #41
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Which was like JUST mentioned.
Didn't know it was the final episode of that series (I know next to nothing about Air TV). My bad I suppose.
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Air TV was KyoAni's first adaptation, I believe.

It's also very depressing.
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O jeez. Reigniting the whole AIR discussion would be a 'here we go again' moment... it'll be replacing quantum theories with Heien Japan and anthropology 101 ,attached with a primer on Shinto just to explain to people without that background knowledge of the foundations to that story.

About this episode. Well This shows alot of Kyou. I think it is quite cute in illustrating Kyou and Tomoya's dynamics while reminding people of where the characters were mindset wise before this 6 years ride that is Clannad.
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Old 2009-03-19, 19:18   Link #44
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Air TV was KyoAni's first adaptation, I believe.

It's also very depressing.
Air TV... good memories. In fact, it was my introduction to "non-mainstream" anime since my friends happened to be subbing it

It's also what got me hooked on Key/Kyoani productions. So in a sense, if I hadn't watched Air TV, I wouldn't be enjoying the epic that is Clannad. However, I vaguely remember seeing Nagisa & company for the first time on my classmates' PowerPoint presentations in maths class (random, I know)... that was way back in 2004 when the game was just released.
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Air TV was KyoAni's first adaptation, I believe.

It's also very depressing.
If you want to get technical then their first adaptation where they had any sort of real impact was actually Tenchi Universe in cooperation with AIC. If not then it's still Fumoffu which was the first production they actually spearheaded. As for the first thing they ever worked on, some research tells me it was Giant Gorg. That certainly explains a few things.....
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If you want to get technical then their first adaptation where they had any sort of real impact was actually Tenchi Universe in cooperation with AIC. If not then it's still Fumoffu which was the first production they actually spearheaded. As for the first thing they ever worked on, some research tells me it was Giant Gorg. That certainly explains a few things.....
Air was the first adaptation they produced on their own.
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*sigh* Where is KyoAni's creativity in their openings and endings? I agree that they will never get as good as Shaft (who ironically have less money for their works but can still afford to change their ED every 2 or 3 episodes), but sometimes their rigidly consistent use of OPs/EDs really stands out.

Use of Torch after episode 16 of After Story is the perfect example. In fact, that ending should have been changed after episode 9, even if they just inserted Dango Daikazoku in. Same with episode 21, what with a zombie Ushio dancing to hip instrumentals right after she dies. Plus the opening animation (not the song) should have been changed after episode 16 of After Story to be less "School Life"-ish. And what was the point of giving Tomoyo and Kotomi so much screen time to themselves in that opening? Filler? And episode 22 of After Story already had an alternate ending they could have used: Chiisana Tenohira. It was basically screaming "Play the credits with me and make me the ending so you get 1.5 minutes extra footage!" but they resorted to good ol' Torch anyway (although that time Torch didn't stick out like a talking squirrel in a dystopian tragedy).

And finally this episode. All they had to do was replace the OP/ED with those of the first season to fit the prequel feel. But they lazily kept the same OP/ED from After Story. =__=

Openings and endings are supposed to represent and blend in with the events of the series they are in, which is why so many series have multiple ones. This is one of the reasons I like Shaft's style so much, having seen ef: a tale of memories. But KyoAni seems to have little creativity in this department. I sincerely hope they improve on that, especially since the Little Busters visual novel has 4 endings, perfect for use with a 3-cour anime that changes the ED every 12 episodes and uses the last one for the last episode.
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*sigh* Where is KyoAni's creativity in their openings and endings? I agree that they will never get as good as Shaft (who ironically have less money for their works but can still afford to change their ED every 2 or 3 episodes), but sometimes their rigidly consistent use of OPs/EDs really stands out.
I totally agree. They really need to change the OP/ED once in a while.

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(although that time Torch didn't stick out like a talking squirrel in a dystopian tragedy)
This sounds like a good idea to me, for some reason.

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Openings and endings are supposed to represent and blend in with the events of the series they are in, which is why so many series have multiple ones. This is one of the reasons I like Shaft's style so much, having seen ef: a tale of memories. But KyoAni seems to have little creativity in this department. I sincerely hope they improve on that, especially since the Little Busters visual novel has 4 endings, perfect for use with a 3-cour anime that changes the ED every 12 episodes and uses the last one for the last episode.
Actually, I'm curious... how common are 3-cour anime? The only one I can remember, ever, was Death Note.

And yeah, 3 cours would be good for Little Busters. They won't do it though.
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Well, AIR was 2-cour with the OP. If I were to compare SHAFT with KyoAni though, I have to say that kyoani has a mastery on producing movie-grade cinematic on TV show budgets while SHAFT focuses on originality in artistic representation. You can't touch Kyoani with their renders of environmental effects, water, lighting and actually snowfall in particular...
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Didn't Lucky star have a Different ED everytime? That was made by KyoAni I think :P. I can't wait for the subs on this, Im playing the Tomoyo route on the game and ALMOST done it. The game is really good, but when you watch the anime first, things get weird.
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I guess they can be original when they want So who votes for Shiraishi Minoru doing Little Busters skits at the end of each episode? /me raises his hand.
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Well, AIR was 2-cour with the OP. If I were to compare SHAFT with KyoAni though, I have to say that kyoani has a mastery on producing movie-grade cinematic on TV show budgets while SHAFT focuses on originality in artistic representation. You can't touch Kyoani with their renders of environmental effects, water, lighting and actually snowfall in particular...
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Didn't Lucky star have a Different ED everytime? That was made by KyoAni I think :P. I can't wait for the subs on this, Im playing the Tomoyo route on the game and ALMOST done it. The game is really good, but when you watch the anime first, things get weird.
I remember this when playing Clannad last year. Was kinda weird, but then again it probably contributed to why I loved the Kyou/Ryou/Kappei routes so much.

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I guess they can be original when they want So who votes for Shiraishi Minoru doing Little Busters skits at the end of each episode? /me raises his hand.
He's... not even in Little Busters at all.

Though if we had Nobutoshi Canna and Hikaru Midorikawa making idiots of themselves instead, that would be AWESOME.
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AIR has probably the only OP song I've heard that made me want to cry when I first heard it...and I haven't seen AIR. It was only the little part in the nico nico douga thing.

Now Nagisa's theme can do that most times...it didn't this episode...it was sort of happy actually...Nagisa becoming more like herself.
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And SHAFT well SHAFTS alot of the orginal content, I'm looking at you melodies....

But SHAFT does do some amazing work, Ilove their artistic qualities they put in their work.

I agree Kyo-ani needs to get in on the musical score changes for specifics or what have you. They put the inserts in good places but don't use them to their full advantage.

Very amusing episode. Has some excellent shots and humor.

Recap...seriously a big wtf....I was expecting at least Kyou's story. Look Kappei you got screwed over the third time! This re-cap maybe can help show things more promidently?

Now i have to wait AGAIN to see what they will announce >.<
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And yeah, 3 cours would be good for Little Busters. They won't do it though.
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Didn't Lucky star have a Different ED everytime? That was made by KyoAni I think :P.
I was going to bring that up in my last post but I didn't have time. I truly meant to say that KyoAni lacks musical direction for their OPs/EDs with their Key adaptations for some reason. Lucky Star had a different ED in each episode, and used the OP for an insert (full dance!) in the final episode. Haruhi had a unique OP for the first episode and changed the ED animation a few times. But these were Kadokawa works. This gives me the feeling that KyoAni has completely different music direction for their Key anime and Kadokawa anime.

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So who votes for Shiraishi Minoru doing Little Busters skits at the end of each episode? /me raises his hand.
Sounds fun. I'm imagining Minoru playing baseball while singing "Song for Friends".

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Actually, I'm curious... how common are 3-cour anime? The only one I can remember, ever, was Death Note.

And yeah, 3 cours would be good for Little Busters. They won't do it though.
If we're going by the standard of 13 then Gundam X comes in at 3-cour with 39 episodes, though that's because it was cancelled.

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AIR has probably the only OP song I've heard that made me want to cry when I first heard it...and I haven't seen AIR. It was only the little part in the nico nico douga thing.

Now Nagisa's theme can do that most times...it didn't this episode...it was sort of happy actually...Nagisa becoming more like herself.
Tori no Uta is way to upbeat for me to ever even consider crying over it. Though this gets me thinking if any studio really wants to get people crying with an opening then they should use an excerpt from Adagio For Strings. Though I might be tempted to call it cheating if any show ever does use it. That's a song that just me all depressed and teared up just by listening to it. Especially since I know what's it's supposed to signify.
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Now Nagisa's theme can do that most times...it didn't this episode...it was sort of happy actually...Nagisa becoming more like herself.
See, that's the exact reason I can't even play Clannad again.

Stupid death scene. Stupid Jun Maeda and his incredible composing talent.

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If we're going by the standard of 13 then Gundam X comes in at 3-cour with 39 episodes, though that's because it was cancelled.
And this is why Little Busters won't be 39 episodes.
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3-cour shows aren't as common, but they're there.

Kyou Kara Maoh and Saiunkoku Monogatari are examples that were intended to be 39 eps.

Ahh Akio was awesome in this again, at least for the line that brought out the :3 in the spectators/viewers: "A person whom you bump into on the street might be you next best friend, or your life's most important person."
Also, love his variation of the Sanae bread running joke(pun fully intended).

Say, aren't the Kyou scenes Kyoani-original?

Finally, hasn't it been a while since we've seen some fun with anime tropes, like the mouth with hammerspace, and the chirpy dizziness?
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