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View Poll Results: Vote for your favorite CLANNAD character(s)
Okazaki Tomoya 208 49.76%
Okazaki Nagisa 197 47.13%
Okazaki Ushio 168 40.19%
Furukawa Sanae 95 22.73%
Furukawa Akio 165 39.47%
Fujibayashi Kyou 177 42.34%
Fujibayashi Ryou 33 7.89%
Sakagami Tomoyo 167 39.95%
Ichinose Kotomi 132 31.58%
Ibuki Fuuko 92 22.01%
Miyazawa Yukine 42 10.05%
Sunohara Youhei 106 25.36%
Sunohara Mei 66 15.79%
Okazaki Naoyuki 15 3.59%
Yoshino Yuusuke 57 13.64%
Yoshino Kouko 17 4.07%
Sagara Misae 51 12.20%
Shima Katsuki 40 9.57%
Nishina Rie 17 4.07%
Botan 60 14.35%
Others 10 2.39%
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Old 2009-04-15, 06:51   Link #41
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Well I limited my choices to five only, because it won't be "favorite" characters if we vote everyone equally.
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Spoiler for Sunohara:

Spoiler for Akio :

Spoiler for Tomoyo:

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Old 2009-04-15, 14:18   Link #42
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Well I limited my choices to five only, because it won't be "favorite" characters if we vote everyone equally.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Nagisa agree to do it in the hospital rather than at home after they found out how dangerous it would be to have the delivery? Initially Nagisa did want to have a home delivery but in the end they decided it was better to do it in the hospital since it would decrease the risk. They couldn't go to the hospital since they were snowed in because of the blizzard.
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Old 2009-04-15, 14:32   Link #43
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Yeah, they were planning to go to the hospital, but she went into labor 2 weeks early and were snowed in.
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Not to mention, they were desperately trying to get medical assistance from the hospital, but it was too late, because the snow hindered every possible mode of transportation.

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I somehow recall they were in a hospital in the Movie...the results didn't change.
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Old 2009-04-15, 15:02   Link #46
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Nagisa agree to do it in the hospital rather than at home after they found out how dangerous it would be to have the delivery? Initially Nagisa did want to have a home delivery but in the end they decided it was better to do it in the hospital since it would decrease the risk. They couldn't go to the hospital because they were snowed in because of the blizzard.
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Old 2009-04-15, 15:05   Link #47
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i picked yuusuke

edit: OOOMG ITS A MULTIPLE VOTE :@:@ I DIDNT SEE
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Old 2009-04-15, 15:15   Link #48
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Errr, no just no.
1) She didn't feel it was cool or anything like this
2) the general idea is that home delivery was even more positive for her than actually in hospital.
3) Do you realize the risks just to MOVE the mother while she is nearly in stage of delivery? Akio running with chibi Nagisa is NOTHING compared to dragging Nagisa to hospital while there is a blizzard
4) again, we discussed in the thread already, but you CANNOT hospitalize anyone unless the situation is urgent (aka NOW, not a RISK, but NOW). Even 1 week is way too much, you can't book an hospital as if it was an hotel. And the delivery happening 2 weeks before the term is not something you can control at all. There is absolutely no way to prevent this event at all, be it fiction or IRL wise.

Considering everything factored, moving Nagisa would have been much more dangerous for her and Ushio than performing the delivery at home. That is not a speculation but a FACT.
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Old 2009-04-15, 15:17   Link #49
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Not to mention she was ill about the whole last or 2 month of the pregnancy, they should have transferred her in the hospital then. Or they didn't expected the snow to fall in winter?
I argued the same point back during ep 16. The concensus of the avalanche of people that argued back at me was mainly condensed in 3 points:

- Who would pay for the hospital bills? Japan's social security system is similar in level to that of the USA's. AKA dismal.
- No hospital will reserve a bed for you for a whole two months just because of pregnancy and if there isn't any imminent danger. Even 1st world countries don't have that luxury.
- Hospitals are not miraculous anyway

I was convinced half because I saw that their points were right on mark, half because there were 30 people saying the same thing and it had an hypnotic effect
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Old 2009-04-15, 15:39   Link #50
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Well I dunno guys, In that case they should have booked the private clinic in the neighbouring town, surely it'd worthwhile just to be safe and secure. She was ill in the last 1-2 month, surely they could have expected the worse to happen (ergo snow falling down).
I don't know how people do it in Japan but we in Europe try to think on every possible scenario on such important times like giving birth, however I felt that Tomoya was lacking that mentality and the result was quite bad as one can see.

No I didn't meant to even imply they should have gone on foot to the hospital. What I tried to say is, if the distance is close enough to run down on foot (as Akio did), I believe it would have worked to drive down there provided they leave early enough. Even in a blizzard it would have taken about 20-30 minutes.

edit: Well it's a futile debate anway, in the Movie they gave birth in the Hospital with the same bad result. I just felt like Tomoya should have thought other solutions regarding the possibilities.
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Well I dunno guys, In that case they should have booked the private clinic in the neighbouring town, surely it'd worthwhile just to be safe and secure. She was ill in the last 1-2 month, surely they could have expected the snow to fall down.
I don't know how people do it in Japan but we in Europe try to think on every possible scenario on such important times like giving birth, however I felt that Tomoya was lacking that mentality and the result was quite bad as one can see.

No I didn't meant to even imply they should have gone on foot to the hospital. What I tried to say is, if the distance is close enough to run down on foot (as Akio did), I believe it would have worked to drive down there provided they leave early enough. Even in a blizzard it would have taken about 20-30 minutes.
See the problem with your statements are that you're anticipating too much. I can't imagine that people would be able to come up with so many back up plans and to top it all off, be able to predict that Nagisa would go into labor 2 weeks in advance and come down with a fever at the same time. There are things that we can't control in life and it's as simple as that, Tomoya suffered through the whole situation and I don't believe that he lacked the "mentality" as you so gently put it. Tomoya did everything he could for Nagisa and he felt her pain, I can't put any blame on him for anything except maybe taking Ushio out while she had a fever and even then he was caught up in the situation because he couldn't grant a single wish for his only daughter.
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- Who would pay for the hospital bills? Japan's social security system is similar in level to that of the USA's. AKA dismal.
People bitch about social security no matter how well or how bad it is managed. Its just human nature. Although based on personal experience, I can tell you Japanese social services are much better organized and managed than their US counterpart.

Although recent political ventures of the Diet is hardly a testimony to proper social services...

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See the problem with your statements are that you're anticipating too much. I can't imagine that people would be able to come up with so many back up plans and to top it all off, be able to predict that Nagisa would go into labor 2 weeks in advance and come down with a fever at the same time. There are things that we can't control in life and it's as simple as that, Tomoya suffered through the whole situation and I don't believe that he lacked the "mentality" as you so gently put it. Tomoya did everything he could for Nagisa and he felt her pain, I can't put any blame on him for anything except maybe taking Ushio out while she had a fever and even then he was caught up in the situation because he couldn't grant a single wish for his only daughter.
Somehow this all felt like deja vu. Where the hell is justavisitor? This discussion would be perfect for that guy.

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While there are a lot of great characters in the mix, if asked for my favourite of them all...

...it simply has to be Sakagami-dono.


Even without a Tomoyo After route, I'd bet on her managing to find a wonderful life, one way or another!
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the hospital unfinished at the time of Ushio's delivery?
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Somehow this all felt like deja vu. Where the hell is justavisitor? This discussion would be perfect for that guy.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the hospital unfinished at the time of Ushio's delivery?
Now that I think of it, you're actually right. This had completely evaded my mind. That hospital was still under construction while Nagisa was still alive and we only saw that it was completed during Ushio's arc. This feels kind of ironic now considering Tomoya had hated the changes that were being made to the town, and of all times he must have been wishing that hospital was built already.
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Deja Vu? How so?
Oh please, need I remind you just how many bullets were spent on medical topics in Macross Frontier?

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Oh please, need I remind you just how many bullets were spent on medical topics in Macross Frontier?

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How could I forget space aids? XD You know I'm just kidding though. Yeah but this time around, Tomoya is one of those admirable male leads that I appreciate. Most of his decisions and actions call upon praise more than anything in my opinion
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the hospital unfinished at the time of Ushio's delivery?
No it is already opened by then. Akio was treated there in his ark in the game, and Ushio was not even close to being in process.

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be able to predict that Nagisa would go into labor 2 weeks in advance and come down with a fever at the same time.
Well it might be just my pessimistic nature to expect the bad things to happen, but considering Nagisa was ill for more than a month before that time already, it's not so unexpected that Ushio gonna come early.
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This debate might be less confused if it wasn't mixing anime and game versions since they were not exactly the same. The Movie wasn't the same either but it does show that even a hospital wouldn't have mattered when fate takes over (or as some might say, Tomoya's choice "at the bottom of the hill").
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Yeah but this time around, Tomoya is one of those admirable male leads that I appreciate. Most of his decisions and actions call upon praise more than anything in my opinion
However, if he runs into a Kurdish brat flying a funky mobile suit, all bets may well be off...


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