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Old 2013-03-21, 08:34   Link #2921
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Um... I did state a restriction

She cannot will things into being. She has to use a pre-existing mechanism, supernatural or otherwise. She is still subject to machinations of fate and luck. Her success is not absolute.

Once again the example of resurrecting a dead person. A magician or higher being can do it by using spells that maniupulate the ki flow. Use sacrifices and rituals that increase the mana manipulation to make the resurrection possible. Alice bypasses all that by manhandling mana and ki to perform the desired effect. If you told Alice to resurrect someone but without any tools to do so then there is no point. (though she could prolly kickstart somone by connecting their lifeline with the leyline in the ground... unless overload kills them).

In terms of juice example, if mana can do that then Alice probably could too. Rewriting the basic laws of reality on the level of universal would probably not be enough for jsut using the Earth's collective mana, ki and etc. so it's not possible for Alice to do so.

Also stated before is her short memory. She can't remember things for more than 5 minutes. She is basically a childish airhead. her spells are all over the place and doing something with a long procedure cannot work for her. Alice can still be overpowered by the psyche of the original in some cases.

If there is a weakness to exploit it's that Alice is not hostile. If anything, she is playful. She may seem sadistic to some but Alice is instinct and therefore amoral. She is someone who is perpetually fascinated, stuck in her own wonderland. In short she spaces out and does not perform actual offense. She's generally defensive.

LATER EDIT: I also forgot, since Alice can interact on multiple planes of existence in the same superpositioned reality, her movement is far more limited. Like say if Alice and Touma were to fight in an open field, Touma would see an open field. In Alice' case, she can see angels, supernatural beings and the like in front of her. She may not care if her actions harm them, but the fact that they are crowding the area impedes her movement. It's not limited to interplanar denizens, it also applies to things like ki streams, mana fogs and even the leylines lest she inadvertently triggers one.

EDIT: About your idea for Taru and Campione, judging from what I read about Aiwass... would there be merit for him to send those three to another world? I mean can he watch them or something? I know nothing about Campione but just as someone who is somewhat of a jerk too, I wonder if sending them to torment would be that much fun or worth it if I don't see the suffering or hijinx that is involved.

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Old 2013-03-21, 18:07   Link #2922
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The restriction of use. If she can use it all the time though you stated that it hurts and going through the hole is plain suicidal. But for how long can she maintain it? how many use per a day? interval between use again and she can use magic? or control the magic thrown at her? or the surrounding mana turn into hostile magic? she can control it right, to turn it into an offensive; defensive magic. The thing that I'm asking is can she use magic? she is from science side right? had she seen the other side of the world? the magic side? with her eyes that's possible.

The dual personality really reminds me of Shiki.

Aiwass.... is there for entertainment. I'm not sure if its Aleister because his plains fail or Aiwass because he is bored and losing means his entertainment end.

Aiwass can watch it if he throws them to another dimension. His a figure that exist and the same time doesn't exist. A being free from the laws of the universe. A complete enigma.

I'm still not set on who to take on the journey or just take them 4 into it. And I'm not really just thinking of campione but multi-crossover. Campione verse is just fitting for the first adventure because on how it lives in the age of gods.
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Old 2013-03-21, 19:11   Link #2923
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Hello. Sorry to simply butt in in the middle of such a long thread but I was wondering if anyone had any good suggestions for fics.
I'm a bit impatient so I prefer ones that are either complete or update regularly (every other week or so is ok) and I prefer the TAKNR setting to the TAMNI one.
Thank you for the help.
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Old 2013-03-21, 19:14   Link #2924
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She cannot use active spells against herself that easily. Possible but not easily. Imagine the whole trying to catch a sword swung at you, and in some cases bullets shot at you. You can try to catch them but it won't always work.

The magic used via EoA isn't truly magic, it's a side effect of physically molding mana and varying supernatural energies. Much like Touma she can't manifest the standard abilities of an esper too. Her ability is classified into neither.

"Going through the rabbit hole" has no particular activating trigger yet. But for now I'd say it's temporary insanity. The time she stays like this is indefinite. Again, why I want imagine breaker around. The only other counter triggers are when Alice goes to sleep on her own volition or the original host forces herself back into control. Though the latter is far too rare to occur. The use of EoA in its final state has no set cooldown in between. It purely depends on the user's fatigue. I should probably add something like "going through the rabbit hole" leaves the user with the sensation of burning eyes and a bad headache.
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Old 2013-03-21, 19:43   Link #2925
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Hello. Sorry to simply butt in in the middle of such a long thread but I was wondering if anyone had any good suggestions for fics.
I'm a bit impatient so I prefer ones that are either complete or update regularly (every other week or so is ok) and I prefer the TAKNR setting to the TAMNI one.
Thank you for the help.
You can check the TVtropes list of recommended fics.
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Old 2013-03-21, 20:20   Link #2926
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what does TAKNR mean?

Pertaining to EoA. I see. So its not a controllable ability but a complete wild card one. Aside from planning the ability. It should proceed on planning the plot.

For me the plot is always important than the harem high jinx. That's why I'm not confident on writing story that involves on such thing. I can imagine the plot story and the battle story but not the every day life story.
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Old 2013-03-21, 20:31   Link #2927
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^I believe Dyingbreath was talking about To Aru Kagaku no Railgun.
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Old 2013-03-21, 20:39   Link #2928
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I have checked it out but I was hoping that I could get some opinions on what the people here thought of the ones on that list or had any suggestions that weren't on it.
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Old 2013-03-21, 20:42   Link #2929
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The Raildex series don't really have a lot of fanfic suppose imo, further more I feel very few of them captures the same feeling as the original, mostly because those are some hard mechanics to wrap your head around.


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Old 2013-03-21, 20:43   Link #2930
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The Raildex series don't really have a lot of fanfic suppose imo, further more I feel very few of them captures the same feeling as the original.



Oh wow, I'm there
Really? Which one are you?
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Old 2013-03-21, 20:44   Link #2931
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Really? Which one are you?
...The one with my name as the author
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Old 2013-03-21, 20:45   Link #2932
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...The one with my name as the author
hehe... kind of obvious I guess...
so you do holiday themed fics do you?
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Old 2013-03-21, 20:47   Link #2933
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hehe... kind of obvious I guess...
so you do holiday themed fics do you?
...I was going through a phase

I also dabble a little into horror/mystery but haven't found motivation to continue much...

Before that it was oneshot romance.
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Old 2013-03-21, 20:49   Link #2934
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...I was going through a phase

I also dabble a little into horror/mystery.

Before that it was oneshot romance.
One-shot romances are kind of fun to read but I sometimes like it when they go deeper, but a protracted romance is kind of hard to do.
There are a couple I've read like that that do it quite well, including a TAKNR one that I actually suggested on the page, "The Ace, The Queen, and The Two of Hearts".
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Old 2013-03-21, 21:02   Link #2935
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Tamni lacks good fic -_-

the one I'm watching out for is the crossover between index and madoka but the update isn't coming (yet .... or hope so)
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Old 2013-03-21, 21:04   Link #2936
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Tamni lacks good fic -_-

the one I'm watching out for is the crossover between index and madoka but the update isn't coming (yet .... or hope so)
I personally don't like crossovers especially when the magic systems are totally misaligned like TAMNI and Madoka. Is the story really well written or something that makes it a worthwhile read?
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Old 2013-03-21, 21:53   Link #2937
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Hmmm Here a gag fic that I am thinking about ..... MGS:F!! Re:Stupidity ( Misfortunate Guy Stuck in Tokiwaidai Middle school ... F stand for FUKOUDA !!)

Touma just regain consciousness , hears beeping sound and projected in his retina is a HUD like font Which names of ....

Motoharu
Aogami
Sensei [Komoe]

On frequency 825
Motoharu : Yo Kami-yan awake already .. I know you have a lot of questions , but i think it best that you make yourself inconspicuous ..
Touma : Tsuchimikado You Ass ... Wait Am I in looker room .... What the ??
Motoharu : [ laughs a bit ] Your in Tokiwadai middle school girl's locker room
Touma upon hearing swallows begins sweating , he knows Tokiwadai's espers are at least lvl 4 he'll be in big trouble being stampede by angry middle school girls he hope that a certain biri biri is not here .... Hears sounds of people chating ... Girls going near the door ...

Touma : @#$!!! What do I do !!!
Motoharu : Your in pinch here Kami-yan .... I suggest you look around and I sure theres a couple of empty boxes or etc in there good luck Motoharu out ....
Touma: You!!! .... See large card broad box and Drum ... He ponders which one, notices the door knob slowly turns ....

Que in
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Old 2013-03-21, 22:00   Link #2938
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Tokiwadai has at least level 3 and not level 4.

Touma as solid snake would be good but Hamazura is more like solid snake.

The crossover of Index and Madoka timeline wise is in the beginning of NT and its Index and Homura. Its a good read.
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Old 2013-03-21, 22:07   Link #2939
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I wonder what the hell a Metal Gear would be doing in Tokiwadai.

If that was in the dorm the Dorm Lady would be involved (using it to stomp Kuroko), but at school itself...
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Old 2013-03-21, 22:17   Link #2940
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It is not surprising if there is a giant robot hidden underneath the park lake.

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“With enough funds, we could mass produce some pretty ridiculous weapons. The project head was saying something about a giant robot that could fly through space. He'll probably choose a teenage boy to pilot it.”
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