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Old 2013-05-09, 10:32   Link #3461
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He's an idiot. Gunha-class idiot. Like I said he doesn't recognize the limitations. When he was told to do the basic tests like columbus egg, the card guessing and the spoon bending, he didn't complain. He just did them. The actions probably came close to killing him. The scientists never had to force him to try harder. They actually had to force him to stop when they gave up on him. He eventually began to do well in all of them whenever he was tested with them. From a level 0 he got into level 1. At that point he'd stop progressing for awhile. Then one day he ran out of gas to cook his food. He learned about pyrokinesis and started practicing it. It was summer and hot as whatever flaming hell is equivalent in Japanese lore. He saw some people fanning themselves and remembered something about people having aerokinesis. So he learned it. Ofcourse people told him it was impossible. But he just did it. For the sake of using the ability as his personal fan. Electrokinesis was so he could charge his game system. hydrokinesis was done out of sheer amusement. Since he didn't want to learn how to swim, he made the water swim for him.

Yes, he's an idiot. That's why the researchers who were in charge of him surmised that his lack of single ability specialization is part of his ability. It's believed that he traded off the ability to get stronger to become more varied. They predict he can never rise beyond level 3 in any ability he may gain in the future. Or any ability he currently has.
Still need an excuse why nobody else know about his multi-skill ability....

May be he is a (secretly) gemstone who only display telekinesis ability because nobody actually told him to do something other than bending spoon during system scan?
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Old 2013-05-09, 11:19   Link #3462
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They know he's multi-skill. But the lack of progress into higher levels due to general idiocy that let him achieve multi-skill in the first place makes him useless. His logic goes along the lines of:

"If I wnted to make all the water in the world into tartar sauce then I would keep working on it till I succeed. Why? Tartar sauce is awesome. But it isn't tartar sauce right? That's because I don't want water to become tartar sauce, it'd make my powdered juices taste weird when I mix them."

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Old 2013-05-09, 11:28   Link #3463
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On a side note, I believe that the latest To Aru game had something to say on the Dual-Skill/Multi-Skill subject.
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Old 2013-05-09, 18:01   Link #3464
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Which was 'unpossible!' iirc.
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Old 2013-05-09, 18:35   Link #3465
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Old 2013-05-09, 20:09   Link #3466
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The ability to control energy should be able to grant him all of those abilities. Then again the ability to control energy is like merging Touma and accelerator in one.
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Old 2013-05-09, 21:40   Link #3467
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The ability to control energy should be able to grant him all of those abilities. Then again the ability to control energy is like merging Touma and accelerator in one.
You could do it by controlling one thing and using it to control the others. Control of oxygen would allow aerokinesis and pyrokinesis, control of water would allow you to create lightning by friction between water particles in the air which would also allow control of air itself.
You could say that he can control oxygen bonding which would allow him to control both oxygen in air and oxygen in water (the O in H2O) and then say that other things are too complex for him to control so he doesn't get overpowered.
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Old 2013-05-09, 22:09   Link #3468
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What bout just causing oxygen to shift electrons? That way the charge is directly from oxygen

The limitation is pretty sever though. As he's consuming oxygen while he uses his powers

Better yet why not just choke his opponents by keeping oxygen away from him?
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Old 2013-05-10, 22:28   Link #3469
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Hmmm how about...

Access(Level 0)
-- Access is not a true ESPer ability per se but it was developed by the power development curriculum so they were forced to accept it as such. It's considered a useless ability as it only allows the user to adapt. So to speak, the owner of the ability's body will never undergo any physiological abnormality such as illnesses or even organ rejection. The body is capable of adapting to any internal changes on a micro or macro-level. So to speak if you introduce a virus into the body, the immune system will effectively destroy it. If he accepts an organ transplant, even from another animal, his body won't reject it.

Due to this abnormal type of ability, he was chosen for an experimental project known as upgrade. Scientists wondered how it would be possible to grant a normal person ESPer powers without forcing them to use the drug approach. The interesting prospect turned to machines. However a different project was already heading the cyborg program. So instead they changed their thesis into something a bit different. "How far could they push the human body without sacrificing their humanity?". So they developed a unique memory system. It analyzes brainwaves and records a core reference brainwave. Similar brainwaves would update into it as time passes. They built it into nanomachines and injected them into Access. It took a few injections before Access' immune system began to adapt to them and regulated them inside the body, seeing them as benign.

The nanomachines are capable of "jacking" into nerves of Access body and transmit their brainwaves directly into the nervous system. This feeds Access the alternative brainwaves which turn up as split personalities. The experiment is a success. As regular cases of split personality were drawn from people who had originally one personality split into two, the case would be two people with the same core ability but the application is variedthat it resembles different powers. But with Access' nanomachines, he gained 4 new personalities which are completely separate from the original. However these personalities aren't truly alive and only manifest as ESPer powers and slight spikes in Access' emotional spectrum.

does this work?
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Old 2013-05-11, 01:05   Link #3470
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For humans.
You are implying that there are aliens asides from Aiwass and Kazakiri. Which insofar I haven't seen any evidence of.

We deal with original characters, but I do believe involving beings from another plane requires much taste. And even then will take some convincing to be taken seriously or the plot device or carriage would risk being dismissed as a convenient or at worst convoluted deus ex machina.

Even the fact that the PSP game even with the presence of Kamachi’s overmind involved time travel was enough for some Toaruists to call for excommunicating it from canon. Some go even further to consider the Railgun anime, also produced with Kamachi’s hand, to be even more non-canon because of 1) “JC Staff shenanigans” and 2) “too advanced technology.” The best I’ve heard was some calling the NT novels non-canon for the overtechnology being used.

These "Roman Catholic Critics" are what drowns you in tears and I was hoping to let you guys know before you go headlong into really bad territory.
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Old 2013-05-11, 01:56   Link #3471
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Alien Wizards.

I'm not kidding.
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Old 2013-05-11, 02:05   Link #3472
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Alien Wizards.

I'm not kidding.
You've thoroughly lost me now. Could you elaborate? I care not for spoilers, because canonicity is paramount in my work. And unlike the RCC who have selectively canonized their definition of absolute canon, I take anything that Kamachi has produced as justification.

Btw, Toaru alien wizards has me thinking of gynous eldritch gods of moe destruction...
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Old 2013-05-11, 02:47   Link #3473
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There's a short side story called Mars SS.

There's strong indication of Martians.

And the one helping them is a Magician.

Alien Wizards.
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Old 2013-05-11, 03:07   Link #3474
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There's a short side story called Mars SS.

There's strong indication of Martians.

And the one helping them is a Magician.

Alien Wizards.
I thought the one helping "them" was an esper and it was the magician who wanted to destroy them.
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Old 2013-05-11, 03:23   Link #3475
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I thought the one helping "them" was an esper and it was the magician who wanted to destroy them.
I can't remember the details- I'm still stuck on

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“Don’t get so down. I thought you did quite well.”

“…”

“Really, though. I was shocked when you managed to bring that pursuit helicopter down with only that net gun. You really must have a talent for that kind of thing to get the net caught in the rotor like that.”

“That doesn’t make me happy!! What kind of talent is that anyway!? How is that every going to be useful in normal life!?” Kamijou shouted back, but Fleiss-san must have been used to getting others caught up in dangerous situations because she showed no sign of being bothered by it.
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Old 2013-05-11, 03:59   Link #3476
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Access doesn't have a limiter so he can probably achieve level 5 in all his abilities. Unlike with other abilities. The ones he gets from project upgrade aren't related to his calculative ability or personal reality at all. All of that is on the nanomachines. They get stronger the more powerful opponents of the same type of ability faced. But level 5 requires intricate understanding and manipulation of the ability. Access does not have that and even if he did, to reach level 5 he needs to fight a level 5 of the sme ability or fight hundreds upon hundreds of level 4's.
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Old 2013-05-11, 04:08   Link #3477
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There's a short side story called Mars SS.

There's strong indication of Martians.

And the one helping them is a Magician.

Alien Wizards.
Toaru wiki says:

Toaru Majutsu no Index: Mars SS is short story featuring microbe of Mars.

...what the flying fuck? And why would anyone help microbes?!
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Old 2013-05-11, 04:29   Link #3478
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Toaru wiki says:

Toaru Majutsu no Index: Mars SS is short story featuring microbe of Mars.

...what the flying fuck? And why would anyone help microbes?!
Spoiler for Mars SS:
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Old 2013-05-11, 04:30   Link #3479
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Kha doesn't yet realized the importance of finding life on other planets... Let alone Intelligent life...
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Old 2013-05-11, 05:10   Link #3480
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They were microbes that were SENTIENT?! I wasn't told about this!!

Kataru and the Enterprise would be totally all over this discovery!! And self-aware enough to have powerz? The hell, this isn't even Toaru, its STAR TREK.

I assume the mage was successful in eradicating those heretical entities therefore I still have nothing to write about.
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