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Old 2013-03-31, 01:04   Link #581
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Old 2013-03-31, 06:52   Link #582
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Just a thought: Right now there is a massive power struggle within DPRK, and all this warmongering is just smoke and shadow to hide it.
I suspect this to be the case, as well. It sounds like Kim Jong Un lived and studied outside of North Korea for quite some time, which is quite different from his father. That means you have someone who is non-military and culturally not fully North Korean, who is now leading a state that centers deeply around nationalism and its military. The existing power structure is probably wary of his commitment, and he may not have many trustworthy contacts within the government.

It's quite possible that he's in a nightmare scenario. Even if he really wanted to change North Korea he probably can't - not at this point in time. He needs to engage in acts and rhetoric that satisfy the existing chain of command that he's genuine, or else they might rebel against him. He can't flee, either, as other governments probably wouldn't want him, he might be prosecuted for crimes against his people (that he might or might not have had control over), and who knows if the North Korean government would go after him internationally.

Of course, it's also possible that he's having the time of his life and is calling the shots unopposed... but it's hard to tell with these types of regimes.
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Old 2013-03-31, 06:59   Link #583
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I suspect this to be the case, as well. It sounds like Kim Jong Un lived and studied outside of North Korea for quite some time, which is quite different from his father. That means you have someone who is non-military and culturally not fully North Korean, who is now leading a state that centers deeply around nationalism and its military. The existing power structure is probably wary of his commitment, and he may not have many trustworthy contacts within the government.

It's quite possible that he's in a nightmare scenario. Even if he really wanted to change North Korea he probably can't - not at this point in time. He needs to engage in acts and rhetoric that satisfy the existing chain of command that he's genuine, or else they might rebel against him. He can't flee, either, as other governments probably wouldn't want him, he might be prosecuted for crimes against his people (that he might or might not have had control over), and who knows if the North Korean government would go after him internationally.

Of course, it's also possible that he's having the time of his life and is calling the shots unopposed... but it's hard to tell with these types of regimes.
I think it is more of that he has absolutely no idea how to run the country. So he starts with the very basic : rally people to him via rhetoric.

From there on he is stuck, and the power struggle means that the moderates don't want to advise him.

In fact, since his father's takeover from his grandfather, nobody wanted, or rather dared, to advise the ruler otherwise anymore.
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Old 2013-03-31, 07:04   Link #584
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I suspect this to be the case, as well. It sounds like Kim Jong Un lived and studied outside of North Korea for quite some time, which is quite different from his father. That means you have someone who is non-military and culturally not fully North Korean, who is now leading a state that centers deeply around nationalism and its military. The existing power structure is probably wary of his commitment, and he may not have many trustworthy contacts within the government.

It's quite possible that he's in a nightmare scenario. Even if he really wanted to change North Korea he probably can't - not at this point in time. He needs to engage in acts and rhetoric that satisfy the existing chain of command that he's genuine, or else they might rebel against him. He can't flee, either, as other governments probably wouldn't want him, he might be prosecuted for crimes against his people (that he might or might not have had control over), and who knows if the North Korean government would go after him internationally.

Of course, it's also possible that he's having the time of his life and is calling the shots unopposed... but it's hard to tell with these types of regimes.
He's had to kill half of the old guard last year to consolidate his legitimacy to lead. On top of that, I agree with you on your point. He still has to legitimize himself. Unlike il though I believe that this kid does not know the game, and it might prove disastrous. WE are about to witness one of the worse humanitarian crisis in the 21st century if the situation escalates anymore than it already has. Anyway Autocracy is always like this.
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Old 2013-03-31, 07:08   Link #585
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If only Un simply asked China for help.

Seriously, China doesn't really want to own NK. They benefit from an independent but healthy North Korea.

The issue is we are not sure if Un is even free to make choices like that.
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Old 2013-03-31, 12:13   Link #586
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The issue is we are not sure if Un is even free to make choices like that.
Indeed. Also consider that there was a coup/assassination attempt in November 2012 and it's clear that things aren't totally peachy internally for North Korea. The current regime may be fanatically based around the lineage that Kim Jong Un belongs to, but that doesn't guarantee his safety. He isn't an only child. There's also no reason why the "legend" can't be altered. Have Un killed off, make up a story about how he was secretly a devil of some sort, and how some new lineage is taking up the cause.

And why not? That's the beauty of fabricating things with no basis in reality. That aside, some news articles I've read seem to indicate that North Koreans don't actually believe the official line and legends, but pretend that they do so as to avoid trouble. If the government officials (military) are aware of that, then they may really not care. Get rid of Un and make up something, even knowing that it doesn't need to be believable in any form.
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Old 2013-03-31, 12:49   Link #587
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One thing to consider: It took four years for Kim Jong Il to consolidate his power, despite having been in various important positions since the 1970s.
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Old 2013-03-31, 14:22   Link #588
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North Korea: Nukes are our country's 'life'

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One of North Korea's top decision-making bodies is setting guidelines that call nuclear weapons "the nation's life" that won't be traded even for "billions of dollars,” The Associated Press reported.

The statement Sunday came after a plenary meeting of the central committee of the ruling Workers' Party attended by leader Kim Jong Un and other officials, the AP said.

It also followed a declaration on Saturday that it was entering a "state of war" with South Korea, the latest in a string of increasingly belligerent outbursts from the isolated state.

Sunday’s statement says nuclear weapons aren't "goods for getting U.S. dollars" or a "political bargaining chip." Outside analysts have said Pyongyang raises worries over its nuclear ambitions to spur nuclear-disarmament-for-aid talks, the AP said.

It said Pyongyang will also increase work to build up the economy. Kim has made fixing the moribund economy a focus.

On Thursday the U.S. sent two nuclear-capable bombers to South Korea, where they dropped inert munitions in a military exercise. The flight sparked an angry response from the North, which declared on Friday that it was preparing rockets aimed at American bases in South Korea and the Pacific

Nukes for the Nuke God? Blood for Kim's Throne?
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Old 2013-03-31, 15:00   Link #589
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One of North Korea's top decision-making bodies is setting guidelines that call nuclear weapons "the nation's life" that won't be traded even for "billions of dollars, The Associated Press reported.
Am I the only one that thinks that is precisely what he wants, to produce nukes to sell them for billions of dollars each so that they wont be detonated, talk about a bully asking for lunch money at the international scale.

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It said Pyongyang will also increase work to build up the economy. Kim has made fixing the moribund economy a focus.
... and the also announce they plan to close the industrial complex they built with SK, dafuck! they are killing the only real means of income they have, at this rate NK's economy will be in ruins by next winter.
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Old 2013-03-31, 17:12   Link #590
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Billions of dollars?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTmXHvGZiSY

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Old 2013-03-31, 18:02   Link #591
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North Korea: Nukes are our country's 'life'
Kim was feed with nukes instead of milk...
They import nukes and export nukes...
They eat nukes.... so let US give them more!!!
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Old 2013-03-31, 19:07   Link #592
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U.S. F-22 stealth jets join South Korea drills amid saber-rattling:

"The United States sent F-22 stealth fighter jets to South Korea on Sunday to join
military drills aimed at underscoring the U.S. commitment to defend Seoul in the face
of an intensifying campaign of threats from North Korea.

The advanced, radar-evading F-22 Raptors were deployed to Osan Air Base, the
main U.S. Air Force base in South Korea, from Japan to support ongoing bilateral
exercises, the U.S. military command in South Korea said in a statement that urged
North Korea to restrain itself."

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http://news.yahoo.com/u-f-22-stealth...220123588.html
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Old 2013-03-31, 20:23   Link #593
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Bringing on F-22s is a major step-up considering that those babies are still long due for a baptism by fire in their operational history. From what I can get, no other fighter jet that has reached "operational maturity" can beat the Raptor at this point in time.
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Old 2013-04-01, 18:00   Link #594
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This just in, the U.S. Navy is movin anti-missile units in as well.
Was also in the major news channels tonight.
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Old 2013-04-01, 18:49   Link #595
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Sort of like we are daring them to try something.
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Old 2013-04-01, 18:51   Link #596
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Sort of like we are daring them to try something.
i think the msg is more for China than NK.

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Old 2013-04-01, 18:59   Link #597
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We should just destroy the whole country. Fuck those North Koreans, there is no hope left for them.
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Old 2013-04-01, 19:04   Link #598
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We should just destroy the whole country. Fuck those North Koreans, there is no hope left for them.
The question is HOW? With dense forests and mountains, you will need more bombs to demolish the place than flatlands like Africa or Iraq.
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Old 2013-04-01, 19:05   Link #599
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*whistles in amazement*

Bringing on F-22s is a major step-up considering that those babies are still long due for a baptism by fire in their operational history. From what I can get, no other fighter jet that has reached "operational maturity" can beat the Raptor at this point in time.
Which is somewhat of overkill as far as air to air capabilities though, given the state of the North Korean airforce. Given the age of their gear, lack of maintenance, and the atrociously low actual flight time of their pilots.


Stealth is nice when going on bombing runs through dense air defense networks, but F22's aren't exactly heavy bomb haulers.
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Old 2013-04-01, 19:23   Link #600
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The question is HOW? With dense forests and mountains, you will need more bombs to demolish the place than flatlands like Africa or Iraq.
Not to mention this would be a crime against humanity because North Korean ladies, unlike their vapid southern counterparts, probably still refrain from that BS eyelid and boob surgery.

Also, apparently there is a saying that if you were to try to flatten Korea out it would be the size of China. Whoever said that must think highly of their mountains.
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