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Old 2013-04-03, 19:31   Link #681
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Can I translate that as "I will be loyal to their lolis but not their country"?
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Old 2013-04-03, 19:31   Link #682
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If they want to play that way, then I guess the US/SK coalition can also approve plans for strikes that would result into 24 million North Korean coffins as the penalty for their sheer stupidity. Don't you think?

*end sarcasm*

On a more serious note though, is the bastard asking for total annihilation in his own backyard at this rate? I thought no one can question on how serious Ms. Park and the current US administration are anymore. Try guessing what drugs the Swiss gave KJU a few years ago.
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Old 2013-04-03, 19:36   Link #683
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The reports suggest that Chinese and North Korean casualties combined were around 1.5 milllion soldiers to the UN/US/South Koreans forces 300,000 casualties from 1950-1953.

The North Koreans took Seoul in three days staring in June of 1950 and later did push the South Koreans and UN force all the way to Pusan a few months later before their offensive finally gave out. This was followed by the UN landing at Inchon that cut them off from their supply lines. Within a month the UN forces were at the Chinese border. Then the Chinese came. and the push back to Seoul and byond happened. The South Koreans and UN forces pushed back and a year after the star of the war, the line was more or less back were it started and it stays there to this day.

The North Koren plan to take the South in three days is possible...if all they consider to be South Korea is Seoul.
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Old 2013-04-03, 19:40   Link #684
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He definitely doesn't speak for this one. I've no love for PRC, but loyalty to Japan? you've gotta be kidding me.
Well, to be fair, Japan invested a lot to Taiwan to show "this is what a Japanese colony look like" type of thing, since it was their first colony. As opposed to Philippines, Chinese, Koreans etc who weren't so lucky to draw that reward.

While Chiang Kai Shiek begin his administration with war and terror (such as 59 incident with 20K dead).

For certain elder Taiwanese who live through both administrations, they may indeed have better memories of Japan than ROC.
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Old 2013-04-03, 19:41   Link #685
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The reports suggest that Chinese and North Korean casualties combined were around 1.5 milllion soldiers to the UN/US/South Koreans forces 300,000 casualties from 1950-1953.

The North Koreans took Seoul in three days staring in June of 1950 and later did push the South Koreans and UN force all the way to Pusan a few months later before their offensive finally gave out. This was followed by the UN landing at Inchon that cut them off from their supply lines. Within a month the UN forces were at the Chinese border. Then the Chinese came. and the push back to Seoul and byond happened. The South Koreans and UN forces pushed back and a year after the star of the war, the line was more or less back were it started and it stays there to this day.

The North Koren plan to take the South in three days is possible...if all they consider to be South Korea is Seoul.
NK won't have three days, Within 24 hours Pyongyang would look like the surface of the moon.
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Old 2013-04-03, 19:43   Link #686
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Reading the Korean original, it means that the Korean People's Army General Staff has ratified plans of nuclear attack. Basically, like the plans in the nuclear football.
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Old 2013-04-03, 19:47   Link #687
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The reports suggest that Chinese and North Korean casualties combined were around 1.5 milllion soldiers to the UN/US/South Koreans forces 300,000 casualties from 1950-1953.

The North Koreans took Seoul in three days staring in June of 1950 and later did push the South Koreans and UN force all the way to Pusan a few months later before their offensive finally gave out. This was followed by the UN landing at Inchon that cut them off from their supply lines. Within a month the UN forces were at the Chinese border. Then the Chinese came. and the push back to Seoul and byond happened. The South Koreans and UN forces pushed back and a year after the star of the war, the line was more or less back were it started and it stays there to this day.

The North Koren plan to take the South in three days is possible...if all they consider to be South Korea is Seoul.
The problem is, nailing Seoul wouldn't be a win for North Korea, but it will be a huge LOSS for the rest of the world. The amount of destruction would send the recovering global economy on a tailspin.
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Old 2013-04-03, 19:53   Link #688
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But why woud the North Koreans care if they knock out the global economy at this point?
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Old 2013-04-03, 19:54   Link #689
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Just out of dumb tongue in cheek curiosity, what's the chance of NK pulling a Belkan?
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Old 2013-04-03, 20:06   Link #690
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Well, to be fair, Japan invested a lot to Taiwan to show "this is what a Japanese colony look like" type of thing, since it was their first colony. As opposed to Philippines, Chinese, Koreans etc who weren't so lucky to draw that reward.

While Chiang Kai Shiek begin his administration with war and terror (such as 59 incident with 20K dead).

For certain elder Taiwanese who live through both administrations, they may indeed have better memories of Japan than ROC.
I know, my grandfather lived through pretty much the entire Japanese rule in Taiwan and did pretty well, all things considered, and there is certainly less enmity towards Japan in Taiwan compared to other countries in Asia.

That said, there's a big difference between "Eh, we don't hate them as much" and "we pledge our loyalty to glorious Japan!!!"
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Old 2013-04-03, 20:11   Link #691
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NK won't have three days, Within 24 hours Pyongyang would look like the surface of the moon.
That is debatable, given how "Dug in" some of those North Korean bases are. Yes, you probably will blast the capital and kill all the civilians. But the military heads? Probably a lot harder.

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But why woud the North Koreans care if they knock out the global economy at this point?
Indeed, given they are almost completely cut off from them...not at all.
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Old 2013-04-03, 20:16   Link #692
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The Taiwan situation is different. Culturally we are closer to Japan than China, and when Chiang came he made a mess of the place. Generation of brainwashing couldn't make us hate Japan, and that's where the our loyalties lie today. Taiwan is scared of China, there is no brotherly love there.
Admittedly, that is the sense that I get whenever I go to Taiwan...It seems almost surreal actually.

Although I always thought the feeling is stronger amongst the old folk rather than the youth.

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It wouldn't be easy.
Depends on their electronic warfare capabilities....Whether they can defend against the radiation seeking radar killers thrown against them etc.
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Old 2013-04-03, 20:38   Link #693
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People need to get the image of carpet bombing out of their minds. The US Military certainly didn't carpet bomb Iraq. Carpet bombing just doesn't make any sense when you have GPS and laser guided weapons. The whole point behind carpet bombing is that you didn't use to have the ability to drop bombs accurately. So you compensated by dropping lots of them everywhere with the idea that one might fall close enough to get them. The nessecity for doing this goes out the window once you get GPS and laser guided weapons. Pray and spraying with carpet bombing is silly when you can just drop a bomb right onto the target.

Now of course you still have to ID The target. Which against hardened and concealed positions can be problematic...but that's still not an excuse for random bombardment, which on the whole isn't very effective against hardened positions you can't pinpoint exactly. North Korea may be heavily fortified, but 99+% of all the ground a bomb might possibly land on will probably still just be dirt. So random saturation isn't all that effective.


I mean, we blindly dropped more ordinance into the Jungles of North Vietnam than we used in WW2. It didn't accomplish much aside from looking cool on camera. Those B52's never managed to reliably take out concealed VC tunnel complexes.
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Old 2013-04-03, 20:50   Link #694
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Admittedly, that is the sense that I get whenever I go to Taiwan...It seems almost surreal actually.

Although I always thought the feeling is stronger amongst the old folk rather than the youth.



Depends on their electronic warfare capabilities....Whether they can defend against the radiation seeking radar killers thrown against them etc.
You mean Shrike ARMs? The US doesn't have enough. Besides aircraft are not as effective in mountain terrains; the best you can effectively are Apaches/Cobras/Little Birds with a dash of Chinooks to deploy large number of Airborne/Rangers on the mountains.

Besides, the NK are using VHF radars instead of the UHF bands, meaning which there are more concealable radar signals which are difficult to home in on. The dense foliage of the North makes it worse.

The US can make this easier by training more mountain/ski troops (10th Mt Div) + Rangers. Mountain Warfare is treacherous, combined with jungle elements means making a headway in is incredibly difficult. With an urban setting in the South, NK has all the advantage if they can knock out enough US/SK aircraft before US reactivates one of their trump cards : the Iowa Class Battlecruiser, which can drop un-interceptable shells over hundreds of clicks.
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Old 2013-04-03, 20:55   Link #695
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the Iowa Class Battlecruiser, which can drop un-interceptable shells over hundreds of clicks.
True, but how would you do the positioning? Are you going to shell the entire country, meter by meter?
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Old 2013-04-03, 20:58   Link #696
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True, but how would you do the positioning? Are you going to shell the entire country, meter by meter?
No, just positions in the border to cut off reinforcements while the USSK push them back across the border.
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Old 2013-04-03, 21:25   Link #697
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No, just positions in the border to cut off reinforcements while the USSK push them back across the border.
I dunno if this article is to believed, but this SK soldier apparently think a direct North Korean invasion cannot be defended against.

http://www.vice.com/read/how-to-prep...orean-invasion

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The lesson the North Korean army learned from Iraq, Afghanistan, and even the last Korean War, is that the US, South Korea’s chief ally, always has air supremacy. That’s why they’ve created bases for full divisions buried under mountains that are so deep and impenetrable they could sustain a nuclear attack. Not to mention they have built-in fiber-optic communication networks connecting every underground base. They literally have everything you’d need there, like factories and workforces to build tanks, guns, and munitions. They use these mountain bases as permanent bunkers, with long range howitzers on rail lines scaling across peaks that can relentlessly shoot salvos. Mobile artillery like that is an incredible advantage. Even though the South Korean army could probably triangulate where the howitzer fire comes from, the rail lines allow them to quickly relocate.
Especially worth reading is that 1) It take 7 mins for US to scramble bombers to reach SK border, so SK must hold on for 7 mins. If they failed, NK troops would be able to dash into SK, and later into population zones to negate SK/U.S Air superiority.

Also, there is no safe landing zone in SK for U.S Aircrafts, so either they land on highways or become Dolittle (The general who bombed Japan then ditched Aircrafts in China)


These guys will be holding gun fights in police station and grocery stores....
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Old 2013-04-03, 21:35   Link #698
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That is what I believe too. But the South Koreans have the advantage of reinforced cover and a rail network that can be immediately repurposed for troop/IFV transportation, building on the assumption that the NK does not have post 1980s/early-1990s tech-level of bunker busters.

And running a few HEIT/HEAP 25-30mm autocannon rounds through thermal sights from round corners and the underground could make short work of any T55 without even a heavy >75/100mm cannon being brought into play.

That is SK's advantage over the NK zerg rush.

P.S Every country with a defensive military has a "Tomb" unit. They are usually given names that sound normal and lame, but the soldiers are put through slightly more strenous training, educated in every single firearm, and are told that their training ends. In an event of an attack, the only thing they can hope for is that their enemies respect dead bodies.
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Old 2013-04-03, 21:37   Link #699
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Old 2013-04-03, 21:41   Link #700
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That is what I believe too. But the South Koreans have the advantage of reinforced cover and a rail network that can be immediately repurposed for troop/IFV transportation, building on the assumption that the NK does not have post 1980s/early-1990s tech-level of bunker busters.

And running a few HEIT/HEAP 25-30mm autocannon rounds through thermal sights from round corners and the underground could make short work of any T55 without even a heavy >75/100mm cannon being brought into play.

That is SK's advantage over the NK zerg rush.
The whole thing is zerg rush until they are so close is over. Remember how the Russians beat the completely technically superior Germans? Yes, it was the winter, but the second major reason was they went point blank range with the Germans so close Air support/Artillery became impossible. I believe the Germans once bleakly joked "we capture the living room, but there is still fire fight in the kitchen"

Are you really going to open fire on Seoul if it is full of NK troops?
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