2013-04-03, 21:41 | Link #701 |
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You people say it like South Korea *can't* hold for 7 minutes.
Even if the US is out of the picture for some reason, the Republic of Korea armed forces are actually much more likely to win a prolonged war than the starving Best Korea. It will just cost that much more in lives, in the destruction to Seoul, and so on. And even the so-called "Zerg rush" ignores the fact that the ROK possesses, aside from obvious technological superiority, mandatory conscription -- in theory, essentially the entire male population can be returned to service with relatively minimal effort. It will not be a war of many against few. /obviously I prefer no war at all, but I think that doesn't need to be stated every post. |
2013-04-03, 21:43 | Link #702 | ||
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No one's saying you can bomb DPRK into submission. Nutjob LeMay tried in the 1950 war only to achieve nothing but murdering countless civilians and giving himself a hard on. The nightmare on land though....that's like the biggest playground for all those special operators fresh out of Afghan mountains Anyway, is no one even attempting to publicly talk to fat boy in Pyongyang? I mean, has anyone even tried to ask him what he wants? Quote:
That was in Stalingrad. It won't work outside the cities
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2013-04-03, 21:47 | Link #703 |
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SK can only "hold the line" with their numbers; and theier tech supremacy is their advantage.
And I call BS when the article notes about the NKSF are notorious for their headshots. Personal experience tells me that the SKSF can do the same - with their automatic Daewoo K2s weighted down by 2kg suppressors. So does the HK Flying Tigers, British SAS (who can swap weapons and do it on the fly) and the US Navy SEALs. Silhouette reflecting is not a difficult technique to learn. And applying it to shooting someone in the head is not impossible, just that it required months of practice. Lapsing in consistency is still like riding a bicycle , you can pick that up again with 100-200 rounds and half a week.
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2013-04-03, 22:06 | Link #704 | ||||
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Also, remember Afghanistan and Iraq, and tell me what good did U.S Air Power against insurgents in dense urban areas. Quote:
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Now mind you, ultimately I am not a fan of NK. I would like to see Kim and his regime dismantled once and for all. All I am pointing out getting ridding North Korea would be a ALOT harder than say, crushing Saddam's army. |
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2013-04-03, 22:11 | Link #705 | ||
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For one thing, this doesn't seem like an entirely professionally written article. It's mainly talking about strategic stuff, but there's ALLOT of hyperbole. Plus "anonymous soldier" without any particular credential doesn't exactly sound too convincing. Actually this bit makes me really doubt this is legit. Quote:
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2013-04-03, 22:14 | Link #706 | |
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North Korea's offensive force is far behind, by 30-40 years. Their combined arms is infantry centric, that is why they train their soldiers into superhumans.
Their tanks are temporary cover for anything less than a 20mm. Their infantry are taught to rush in an kill with bare hands, that is why SK put alot of emphasis on CQC on multiple opponents. And also that is why the SK still have bullet/flak firing AA guns that can be deleveled to use as anti-infantry weapons. Quote:
They have only 1 objective - hold for as long as they are commanded. If they succeed, they will be absorbed into the reinforcing division under that unit. If they are to be wiped, they are to take out as many as they can. It is a suicide unit, single battle use only.
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2013-04-03, 22:21 | Link #707 | |
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2013-04-03, 22:24 | Link #708 | |||
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Because see, "man with two boots" is actually "man with two boots + lots of heavy artillery" vs "man with two boots + superior artillery + superior air force + the Americans' overwhelming firepower coming in 7 minutes away, oh shit." There is no possible way North Korea can take Seoul in seven minutes, three days, a week, a bloody month, whatever, before the Americans arrive in force. Infantry centric conventional warfare died with the maturing of the air era. It's not like they have air bombardment-proof tunnels into the heart of Seoul across the DMZ line. "Cleaning up" is different, but you're arguing it as if NK can choose to occupy Seoul if it wants to. Nuh-uh, it can't. It can *really* hurt Seoul, but it's not about to *take* it. Quote:
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The part where the Americans had problems with were the occupation and counterinsurgency. Vietnam is different, but the Americans were fighting in jungles and in well tunneled "enemy territory" (which SK is most definitely not). |
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2013-04-03, 22:24 | Link #709 | ||
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And quite frankly, this current generation of North Korean boys who grew up malnourished don't exactly seem like prime candidates for super human training. Quote:
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2013-04-03, 22:26 | Link #710 | |
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That is the best simulation we can do while both sides are waving their sabres. We simply don't know to what extent how both armies will fare because the border might or might not be a Battle of Tra Binh Dong.
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2013-04-03, 22:28 | Link #711 | ||
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And the hugging tactic simply reduces effectiveness of firepower, that's all. It's still easier for western forces to retake ROK than to do the same against the North Quote:
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2013-04-03, 22:29 | Link #712 | |
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Hundreds of thousands of North Korean infantry trying to stage large scale regimental infantry attacks into South Korea? That's not nearly as inconspicuous.
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2013-04-03, 22:32 | Link #713 | ||
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It will be incredibly painful for both sides, so it is actually a one-shot attack. Quote:
Murphy's Law can't be ignored, that is why I agree with Hagel's call for seriousness.
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2013-04-03, 22:40 | Link #714 |
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Well, you know what they say:
Once that first bullet goes past your head, politics and all that shit just goes right out the window (Eric Bana, as Sgt. Norm "Hoot" Hooten) The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his. (George S. Patton) If NK are really willing to go this far to die for their country, then no one has to back down among US/SK forces whenever they see anyone armed and hostile... because the only way to survive inside that kind of mess is to shoot at your enemy before he/she does. We can also discuss for hours about NK's SOF blended here and there in the South, but who says the ROK has not already done the same up in the North? Those guys are fully autonomous and received joint training with the best too. For all that I know and with a new South Korean president who doesn't give a rat's about North Korean lives as long as her country is the only thing that matters, there might be instructions already given to those ROKSOF guys to be ready to hit targets that we may not suspect as Westerners. |
2013-04-03, 22:40 | Link #715 | |
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And for the last time, North Korea does not possess an overwhelming infantry force. That would imply overwhelming numbers, parity in infantry military hardware, and superior operational capabilities -- enough to counter modern combined arms. I leave seriousness to the generals -- if they aren't serious about an obvious military threat, they might as well be court-martialled. I challenge alarmist and vaguely gleefully militarist predictions of some sort of epic struggle. In any case, it's not like I believe this will escalate into a war anyway, unless someone does something very, very stupid. |
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I'm reminded of that scene in Project A-ko where all the *secret* agents of earth infiltrate the alien ship. Literal mobs of inconspicuous guys in suits hanging around. The joke there was literally how implausible it was for anybody to ignore that many guys sneaking around. I'll be honest man. Your best isn't very good.
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2013-04-03, 22:47 | Link #717 | ||
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Most just stay at home to coordinate; their number is probably used to attack different places in different states all at once to overload the police force, draw the army in and force martial law and chaos, meaning less troops for the frontline.
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2013-04-03, 22:53 | Link #719 | |
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Like I said....it will either die down with no solution. Or someone actually approaches fat boy officially and opens up communication. Don't see what's so bad about trying the latter myself...
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