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Old 2009-11-20, 14:20   Link #281
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Perhaps the author is playing the "missing memories" card?

Furthermore, Accelerator doesn't fire off one attack at a time.
One certain magician already showed that it is possible to bypass IB's defenses.
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Old 2009-11-20, 18:09   Link #282
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that's not what an actual "rail gun" does, and chances are the author messed up that point too
Is Mikoto Railgun the one who doesn't have the freaking recoil
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Old 2009-11-20, 23:40   Link #283
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except he can't block accelerator's attacks or else he would laugh off the flying steel objects

whichever way you look at it, bottom line is there is an inconsistency between accelerator and rail gun
Unless we look at it this way:
Touma's IB functions by producing the opposite of whatever power it comes into contact with, in essence an anti-power.

So Mikoto's RG is stopped by creating a magnetic field that eliminates the propulsion.

However, for Accelerator's power, he manipulates the vector. That's something more of an instant use thing at the time he touches it. So there's nothing for IB to work against.
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Old 2009-11-21, 01:13   Link #284
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Unless we look at it this way:
Touma's IB functions by producing the opposite of whatever power it comes into contact with, in essence an anti-power.

So Mikoto's RG is stopped by creating a magnetic field that eliminates the propulsion.

However, for Accelerator's power, he manipulates the vector. That's something more of an instant use thing at the time he touches it. So there's nothing for IB to work against.
Well the latest Railgun ep clarifies how Espers do the stuff they do. Basically they replace reality with their own personal reality.

Thus Imagine Breaker as Touma would put it "kill their delusions".
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Old 2009-11-21, 04:15   Link #285
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Well the latest Railgun ep clarifies how Espers do the stuff they do. Basically they replace reality with their own personal reality.

Thus Imagine Breaker as Touma would put it "kill their delusions".
So the words "I reject your reality and substitute my own" was true after all... at least for the ToAruVerse.

Somehow I feel Touma's existence is a very, very good thing. As in, he musn't cease to exist.
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Old 2009-11-21, 04:49   Link #286
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btw is his whole right hand resistand to Esper powers and Magic or just his palm?
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Old 2009-11-21, 06:16   Link #287
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I think it's his whole hand, from the wrist up.
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Old 2009-11-21, 11:58   Link #288
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Touma has his enemies in his right hand like a monkey in the palm of Buda
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Old 2009-11-25, 07:14   Link #289
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I think its only his wrist. Remember when his battle against accelerator. When his imagining the point when he blocks accelerators attack. He can manage to block it but if he touch his arms then his doom. So its only his whole right fist. That's his imagine breaker. Its like a gloves just what tsuchimikado shows in episode of angel fall. With shinning hand gloves.
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Old 2009-11-25, 07:43   Link #290
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So the words "I reject your reality and substitute my own" was true after all... at least for the ToAruVerse.

Somehow I feel Touma's existence is a very, very good thing. As in, he musn't cease to exist.
Both magic and ESP requires imagination. ESP imagine their own reality to replace the current. Magicians use words to focus their imagination to shape the current reality.

Touma breaks their imagination. That is why touma's power is caused imagine breaker. If level 0 of imagine breaker is just the right hand, imagine (lol) a level 5 imagine breaker. (He would produce a negation aura big enough to shut down academy city.)
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Old 2009-11-25, 08:41   Link #291
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Both magic and ESP requires imagination. ESP imagine their own reality to replace the current. Magicians use words to focus their imagination to shape the current reality.

Touma breaks their imagination. That is why touma's power is caused imagine breaker. If level 0 of imagine breaker is just the right hand, imagine (lol) a level 5 imagine breaker. (He would produce a negation aura big enough to shut down academy city.)
And since he does not have control over his ability as a Level 0, having Touma in anywhere as a Level 5 would automatically deny the existence of espers and magic themselves within his vicinity.
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Old 2009-11-25, 10:35   Link #292
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And since he does not have control over his ability as a Level 0, having Touma in anywhere as a Level 5 would automatically deny the existence of espers and magic themselves within his vicinity.
Interesting way to put it if applied to Aisa Himegami. Her ability Deep Blood supposedly kills vampires instantly. But according to Aleister the existence of vampires has never been comfirmed.

Like Touma her ability is pretty much useless ordinarily.
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Old 2009-11-25, 10:49   Link #293
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about aisa's ability deep blood its not like it would kill the vampire at sight immediately. It needs to be sucked first.

It may have some similarities but its different in some way the imagine breaker is more important. If the deep blood proves vampire exist then what does imagine breaker proves? that's the undying message of crowley that until now their is still no answer.
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Old 2009-11-25, 12:22   Link #294
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Proves it breaks the "illusions" caused by mages/psychics
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Old 2009-11-25, 18:01   Link #295
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Touma breaks their imagination. That is why touma's power is caused imagine breaker. If level 0 of imagine breaker is just the right hand, imagine (lol) a level 5 imagine breaker. (He would produce a negation aura big enough to shut down academy city.)
I don't think there's a level per se for Imagine Breaker. The meter calls him a level 0 because by design his power cannot be detected.

Wide negation auras are just plain broken. It's no longer a fight if you can get something like that to happen. Perhaps the end of the story is to have his Imagine Breaker span the planet and end the fantasy for everyone (sorry, Hyouka).

If that happens, we essentially have an anti-god of sorts that smites any naturally-occuring power he doesn't like instead of granting them.
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Old 2009-11-25, 22:11   Link #296
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his turning into a god's slayer.
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Old 2009-11-25, 22:19   Link #297
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And since he does not have control over his ability as a Level 0, having Touma in anywhere as a Level 5 would automatically deny the existence of espers and magic themselves within his vicinity.
thats pretty much what i was thinking that the only reason he is L0 is because he cant control it but i was thinking along the lines that if he could control it he would be able to launch attacks at espers/mages/alchemist and affect their power with out touching them. sort of an attack like mikotos rail gun.
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Old 2009-11-25, 22:31   Link #298
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his turning into a god's slayer.
Thats something that I have in mind, Imagine Breaker existence is the prove of the existence of something beyond espers/magicians in the world, God.
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Old 2009-11-26, 00:19   Link #299
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thats pretty much what i was thinking that the only reason he is L0 is because he cant control it but i was thinking along the lines that if he could control it he would be able to launch attacks at espers/mages/alchemist and affect their power with out touching them. sort of an attack like mikotos rail gun.
Although, he's still for all intents and purposes, just a kid. With ordinary strength.
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Old 2009-11-26, 01:50   Link #300
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thats pretty much what i was thinking that the only reason he is L0 is because he cant control it but i was thinking along the lines that if he could control it he would be able to launch attacks at espers/mages/alchemist and affect their power with out touching them. sort of an attack like mikotos rail gun.
If he can launch the effect of imagine breaker then the story wouldn't be much interesting as it is now. For me the part that his only normal and the only protected part around him is his fist and he can take mortal damage to the point that their is a chance that he could get killed is interesting.

If he can negate anything far away from him then he will be invincible against the power user types that perform super natural phenomena a.k.a. the esper and magicians.

his fine for me as of now. Though a power is a great sight to behold but the same time it will lower his level for me.
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