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Old 2009-11-27, 16:31   Link #281
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Well, A9 stated that the M1954 Crusader tank was developed from the M1 Abrams, not the Edelweiss, and its (the M1954) completely different. As such, it should have a different name.

Also, I look forward to seeing how Squad 7 fairs in a more Generalsesque setting. There are some musings near the start of the thread about VC at today's tech level.
Okay, got one flower that you can name it after: Gladiolus=Strength

And about Squad 7 in a Generalsesgue setting... I'd think they'll do as well as they did in your story, so I'm modernizing them and the other VC universe nations.

That said, what should Gallia, the Federation, and the Imperials set of strengths and weaknesses be if they were altered and placed in the worlds of Generals or RA3?

You know, how General Ironside=American Armor, General Thrax=Chemical Warfare, General Anvil Shin Fai =Swarms of Infantry, etc.

Same question for the South American Union (trying to base them off of Vyse and Aika's homeland hint hint, other than alot of flying airships that make the Soviet Air Ships look like crap).

Wanted to make another alliance, empire, superpower, and/or Terrorist Organization based in Africa. but Decided not to (may change my mind however).

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Old 2009-11-27, 17:27   Link #282
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Okay, got one flower that you can name it after: Gladiolus=Strength
That might work... You know, my dad has some of those in our front yard, and the name's meaning is also quite fitting for a tank.

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And about Squad 7 in a Generalsesgue setting... I'd think they'll do as well as they did in your story, so I'm modernizing them and the other VC universe nations.
Good Call... I see them using something akin to the Bundeswehr's Leopard I in place of tanks they normally use. The Edelweiss could draw off the Leopard II with some changes.

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That said, what should Gallia, the Federation, and the Imperials set of strengths and weaknesses be if they were altered and placed in the worlds of Generals or RA3?
The hard part here, is not having the sides step on anyone's toes. The Imperials, Soviets, and the Chinese are all three Tank Factions, but the Imperials could be less specialized, to the Soviets being pure Brute Force, and the Chinese, tank spammers.

Gallia could easily be hit-and-run, but this would somewhat step on the MEC's/GLA's toes (unless you've changed them in more than just name). Perhaps they could also have limited Airforce specialization (Not enough to rival the Allies or the USA, but enough to ward off the Soviet counterparts, at least).

The Federation... to borrow from one of my own fics, I simply compounded the Federation and the Western Allies in the VC/WWII crossover I wrote. If Federation = Allies, then you could simply give them Apollo Fighters and Guardian Tanks, and be done with it.

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You know, how General Ironside=American Armor, General Thrax=Chemical Warfare, General Anvil Shin Fai =Swarms of Infantry, etc.
Subfactions...? Hmm... Lay down the basic ground work first, then make changes.

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Same question for the South American Union (trying to base them off of Vyse and Aika's homeland hint hint, other than alot of flying airships that make the Soviet Air Ships look like crap).
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Wanted to make another alliance, empire, superpower, and/or Terrorist Organization based in Africa. but Decided not to (may change my mind however).
Well, it might not be Africa, but the Gallian Revolutionaries from VC2 could serve the roll of terrorist organization. Perhaps they could be Soviet-backed (though, this would contrast with my fic-in-planning, where I have a little fun with the 'GRA' Acronym. It stands both for Gallian Revolutionary Army [the ones trying to overthrow the Soviets], and Gallian Red Army [The Soviets]. But, it is your fic.)
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Old 2009-11-28, 18:57   Link #283
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I think I'm the only guy keeping this section alive. Chapter 7 of Red Alert, 'Eminent', is up. I chose the name because it's the Soviet Victory theme from Uprising, and the Soviets are victorious. If it was the Allies, it would probably be "How the West Was Won" or something.

Also, I intend for the Civil war in VC2 to be present, though it will be GRA vs. GRA (Gallian Revolutionary Army vs. Gallian Red Army. Fun with Acronyms!)

I actually have come up with a tank sitting between the normal Mammoth (the current model) and the RA2 Apocalypse... creatively enough, the Armageddon. It's basically a Evil Commie version of the Edelweiss mixed with the Mammoth and RA2 Apocalypse tanks. It has 60mm Mortar Packs, the common Mammoth Tusk missiles, and a pair of 152mm cannons. Since this is the full blown Red Army getting deployed, I see no reason why they wouldn't use it as both a Tour-De-Force (This is what happens when you **** with the Union), and possibly as advertising for their weapons (Selling off old AK-47's, Yak-9's and Heavy Tanks, in favor of newer units [AK-101's, Su-27's and Rhino tanks]). I also intend, by 1937, the V2 will be out of service, replaced with the Real Life Katyusha rocket launcher (the argument being that the Katyusha is easier to reload, and more mobile).
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Old 2009-11-28, 19:31   Link #284
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I think I'm the only guy keeping this section alive. Chapter 7 of Red Alert, 'Eminent', is up. I chose the name because it's the Soviet Victory theme from Uprising, and the Soviets are victorious...
Read that earlier today; it was rather odd to find a base literally empty, without so much as even a standing guard. I suppose you'd want to finish it before thinking of having it remastered (there're a lot of scenes I can think of inserting, but I won't inflict them on this thread just yet)...

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I actually have come up with a tank sitting between the normal Mammoth (the current model) and the RA2 Apocalypse...
Sounds like a suitably nasty piece of work. Some other items for consideration:
  • the Soviets do have a dedicated ground-support aircraft, the Su-25 'Frogfoot', which resembles Northrop's YA-9 (this latter was passed over in favor of the more survivable A-10);
  • the 'battlesuits' used by RA2 Tesla troopers could also be shared with a couple of other specialist types (pyro troopers and EOD techs come readily to mind);
  • the M113's 'box' design makes the spawning of assorted variants easy;
  • if the Soviets bring Kirovs to the field, nobody'd be too surprised to see AWACS or gunship variants;
  • the 'Katyusha' is almost certainly going to be, instead of a straight port of the WW2 'Stalin's Organ', an analogue of the American MLRS
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Old 2009-11-28, 20:01   Link #285
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Read that earlier today; it was rather odd to find a base literally empty, without so much as even a standing guard. I suppose you'd want to finish it before thinking of having it remastered (there're a lot of scenes I can think of inserting, but I won't inflict them on this thread just yet)...
The Idea was that Commander S7 deployed everything he could, leaving defense up to his Tesla Coils, SAM Sites, and Flame Towers. This spins off from something I commonly do in most RTS games, and deploy all capable forces to an assault, leaving defense to the... well, defenses.

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Sounds like a suitably nasty piece of work.
However, even all that firepower and armor, and the Soviets (the Frikkin' Soviets!) deem it too costly to produce. End Result being that the Armageddon becomes a Soviet Edelweiss analog in more than one way.

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Some other items for consideration:
  • the Soviets do have a dedicated ground-support aircraft, the Su-25 'Frogfoot', which resembles Northrop's YA-9 (this latter was passed over in favor of the more survivable A-10);
Yak Replacement.

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  • the 'battlesuits' used by RA2 Tesla troopers could also be shared with a couple of other specialist types (pyro troopers and EOD techs come readily to mind);
Since I already have the early bits of RA2's tech poking through (Armageddon Tank, and planing for RA2's Tesla Troopers to be deployed during the Civil War), it is entirely plausable that the Soviets do use the idea as the basis for Pyro-Legionnaires.

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  • the M113's 'box' design makes the spawning of assorted variants easy;
Well, I was going to have all examples of the M113 be destroyed, but it could serve as the base for Next-Gen Tesla tanks, the Flak Track, and possibly, and humorously, the War Miner.

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  • if the Soviets bring Kirovs to the field, nobody'd be too surprised to see AWACS or gunship variants;
Looking back, the Soviets could use the Kirov's base design for any number of things, such as aforementioned AWACS and Gunship variants, but also airborne transports, albeit slow ones. "Look! Is that your house?"
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  • the 'Katyusha' is almost certainly going to be, instead of a straight port of the WW2 'Stalin's Organ', an analogue of the American MLRS
The Variant I'm referring to is actually the classic BM-13, though the more modern BM-21 and BM-27 could fit the bill easily (the latter, as recycled FRO... erm, I mean, V2 Trucks.)
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Old 2009-11-28, 21:51   Link #286
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However, even all that firepower and armor, and the Soviets (the Frikkin' Soviets!) deem it too costly to produce. End Result being that the Armageddon becomes a Soviet Edelweiss analog in more than one way.
Wait, let me guess: it'll end up as S7's personal ride.

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Since I already have the early bits of RA2's tech poking through (Armageddon Tank, and planing for RA2's Tesla Troopers to be deployed during the Civil War), it is entirely plausable that the Soviets do use the idea as the basis for Pyro-Legionnaires.
Yep, that'll do. Extra tribute points if pyro troops come to be informally referred to as 'Black Hands'...

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Well, I was going to have all examples of the M113 be destroyed, but it could serve as the base for Next-Gen Tesla tanks, the Flak Track, and possibly, and humorously, the War Miner.
Those too (from the stuff-Moskvin-is-toying-with department); what I was thinking was that with the Soviet victory at Barious, the Gallians and Allies will find themselves spawning rough-and-ready M113 variants out of necessity.

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Looking back, the Soviets could use the Kirov's base design for any number of things, such as aforementioned AWACS and Gunship variants, but also airborne transports, albeit slow ones. "Look! Is that your house?"
While not seen (to my knowledge), it's entirely possible that dirigibles exist in the canon VC world; if so, I can see the Soviets pressing them into service as this continuity's Kirovs.
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On PSP, will keep short.

Note that by the time the Armageddon enters testing, S7 will be the GSSR's PM. Seeing Welkin in the Object 374 is much more plausible.

Hmm... Pyros being called 'Black hand?' Well, RA2 gives us the 'Black Guard,' so perhaps it could be a catch-all for Red Army Elite troops, not just Flametroops.

The M113 and the various mods to it... My rendition of the VC2 GRA is looking alot like the Paradox mod's Confederates.

And tossing any hope Europa has vs. the Sov airforce... Carriers!
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Note that by the time the Armageddon enters testing, S7 will be the GSSR's PM. Seeing Welkin in the Object 374 is much more plausible.
Yeah, and it does have some irony to it.

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Hmm... Pyros being called 'Black hand?' Well, RA2 gives us the 'Black Guard,' so perhaps it could be a catch-all for Red Army Elite troops, not just Flametroops.
While this was intended as a tip of the hat to... certain specialists from C&C itself... you're correct in noting the existence of the 'Black Guard' as an elite Soviet unit (I wonder what the Russian translation is). As a nod to yet another game, they might end up being dubbed 'Blackwatch'.

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And tossing any hope Europa has vs. the Sov airforce... Carriers!
Oooh, that brings me to an idea probably best reserved for another take on 'RA says 'hi' to VC': the Soviets pulling off Grand Theft Marmota.
And in yet another continuity, poor Suki finds herself in a somewhat sticky wicket, what with it having occured to Yuriko to ask her for dating advice.
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Old 2009-11-29, 00:17   Link #289
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Hehe... never crossed my mind... Welkin, a nature lover, in a tank called the Armageddon or Apocalypse... lol.

Also, I've been pondering... could Yuri mind control a Valkyria, with all the jerkass potential that gives me. I figure Welkin wouldn't like squaring off against Alicia.

Also, Soviets stealing the Marmota... quiet plausible in my fic, since the Reds will fight the Imps. (Max still wanting the Valkof, and all.)


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Since Commander S7 is actually going to become Comrade Prime Minister of the Gallian Soviet Socialist Republic, I've deemed it necessary to name him. Henceforth, S7 is to be called 'Sergei Marchenko.' He was origninally going to be Sergei Kirov, but I suspect we will see Marchenko airships in by the time the Soviets invade the East Europan Imperial Alliance.
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Hehe... never crossed my mind... Welkin, a nature lover, in a tank called the Armageddon or Apocalypse...
That too; I was thinking about the fact that the Armageddon would end up being the Soviet version of Edelweiss.

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I'm inclined to answer that question in the affirmative, if only for the possible nods to the Psycho Mantis boss fight back in Metal Gear Solid.

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Also, Soviets stealing the Marmota... quiet plausible in my fic, since the Reds will fight the Imps. (Max still wanting the Valkof, and all.)
This is going to be fun. While I suspect, that the GSSR won't be caught flat-footed (the Comrade Premier will no doubt have the KGB and GRU on the 'keeping an eye on the Imperials' detail), I suspect that Max and co. would have let the Soviet invasion of Gallia pass without learning something from it. Hence, for instance, their crash program to grow an air force.

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Since Commander S7 is actually going to become Comrade Prime Minister of the Gallian Soviet Socialist Republic...
Read that new chapter too; good job on managing to inject some humor in there. I suspect, too, that the Armageddon will be far from the only example of tech hybridization.
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That too; I was thinking about the fact that the Armageddon would end up being the Soviet version of Edelweiss.
Well, it seems that, one way or the other, Welkin is rolling around in an experimental, never-mass-produced design (though, it is plausable that Marchenko has the Mammoth Project produce more than one Armageddon).

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I'm inclined to answer that question in the affirmative, if only for the possible nods to the Psycho Mantis boss fight back in Metal Gear Solid.
Hmm... Guess who never played an MGS game :/. Psycho Mantis... He's the guy who reads directly from the controller, who you beat by using slot 2, right?

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This is going to be fun. While I suspect, that the GSSR won't be caught flat-footed (the Comrade Premier will no doubt have the KGB and GRU on the 'keeping an eye on the Imperials' detail), I suspect that Max and co. would have let the Soviet invasion of Gallia pass without learning something from it. Hence, for instance, their crash program to grow an air force.
Well...

Let me put it this way, Eddie...

Since I greatly doubt the war in RA was started by the Soviets being attacked (thouhg, they could have used some obscure reason that made it look like they were attacked), I actually figure that, by 1939, Marchenko will get a hair up his ass, and the Empire, occupied fighting the Federation (and having mostly won), suddenly finds itself facing off aginst the GSSR, much to the surprise of both sides.

Cue Selvaria getting shocked by Next-Gen Tesla Tanks [the M113-based ones].

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Read that new chapter too; good job on managing to inject some humor in there. I suspect, too, that the Armageddon will be far from the only example of tech hybridization.
Remember the M113, and the possiblity of the Tesla Tanks that will be used at a later time? I actually have a list of potential uses for the M113:
  • Tesla Tank;
  • Some rendition of the Flak Track;
  • For the Allies and GRA, it could have salvaged guns mounted on it, making it like the German RA2 Tank Destroyer;
  • Once Yuri comes into play, he could use the M113's chassis as the base for the Gatling tank;
  • Since the Lasher tank was supposedly a Soviet light tank design, I can see all the sides using the chassis as the base of one or more actuall combat tanks (such as the aformentioned Lasher tank). Here's a mental image: Salvaged Edelweiss/Abrams turret atop an M113. Give it some armor upgrades, and you have a high-mobility tank that packs a fair punch.
Also: Alicia in an Ushanka! Despite her not really liking the idea, but, hey! That mental image... I like it, for whatever reason (perhaps because ushankas are f'ing awesome hats?)
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Well, it seems that, one way or the other, Welkin is rolling around in an experimental, never-mass-produced design (though, it is plausable that Marchenko has the Mammoth Project produce more than one Armageddon).



Hmm... Guess who never played an MGS game :/. Psycho Mantis... He's the guy who reads directly from the controller, who you beat by using slot 2, right?



Well...

Let me put it this way, Eddie...

Since I greatly doubt the war in RA was started by the Soviets being attacked (thouhg, they could have used some obscure reason that made it look like they were attacked), I actually figure that, by 1939, Marchenko will get a hair up his ass, and the Empire, occupied fighting the Federation (and having mostly won), suddenly finds itself facing off aginst the GSSR, much to the surprise of both sides.

Cue Selvaria getting shocked by Next-Gen Tesla Tanks [the M113-based ones].



Remember the M113, and the possiblity of the Tesla Tanks that will be used at a later time? I actually have a list of potential uses for the M113:
  • Tesla Tank;
  • Some rendition of the Flak Track;
  • For the Allies and GRA, it could have salvaged guns mounted on it, making it like the German RA2 Tank Destroyer;
  • Once Yuri comes into play, he could use the M113's chassis as the base for the Gatling tank;
  • Since the Lasher tank was supposedly a Soviet light tank design, I can see all the sides using the chassis as the base of one or more actuall combat tanks (such as the aformentioned Lasher tank). Here's a mental image: Salvaged Edelweiss/Abrams turret atop an M113. Give it some armor upgrades, and you have a high-mobility tank that packs a fair punch.
Also: Alicia in an Ushanka! Despite her not really liking the idea, but, hey! That mental image... I like it, for whatever reason (perhaps because ushankas are f'ing awesome hats?)
Interesting, as far as I've read into it Yuri helped mind control some of the civie populace in RA2. Then dissappeared when the Soviets lost. Was he part of their defeat by trying to pull something? Wonder how he'll effect events in the VC world.

As for the M113 chassis uses, guess that could work but it'll be a bit lightly armored for the purposes of a Tesla tank.

Empire against the small Soviet Republic (former Soviet Union that was defeated in the RA2 timeline I guess). how many waves of Imps does it take to kill a Tesla Tank.

Alicia in an Ushanka... whats a Ushanka?

As for the story I'm writing, it wont be done till sometime this week but it's getting there.

A list of units i'll try to describe in words are:
-Tesla Tanks
-Hijacker
-Scorpian Tanks
-Sickles
-Demo Trap
-Apocalypse Tanks
-Technicals
-Conscripts
-Battle Busses
-Mammoth Tanks (the one that's actually a Mammoth )
etc.

Real world weapon systems I'm using are as included:
-F-16 (Gallia)
-OV-10 Bronco (GLA)
-IFV Stryker (Gallian w/out camera mounted machine guns)
-Mig 29 and Su 33 (Soviets)
-Mi-8 (From Generals Shockwave Mod but real nonetheless) (GLA)
-MH-6 Little Bird (GLA)

Aside from that, what air assets whould I give the Imperials? Should I just rip it off of "The Sky Crawlers" (just replace turboprops with jet engines) or should I just use the same craft from the Soviets?
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Hmm... Guess who never played an MGS game :/. Psycho Mantis... He's the guy who reads directly from the controller, who you beat by using slot 2, right?
Yep, him. I'm sure you can find footage of that fight on YouTube, and there almost certainly is a 'Metal Gear Wiki' that can prove useful.

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Since I greatly doubt the war in RA was started by the Soviets being attacked (thouhg, they could have used some obscure reason that made it look like they were attacked), I actually figure that, by 1939, Marchenko will get a hair up his ass, and the Empire, occupied fighting the Federation (and having mostly won), suddenly finds itself facing off aginst the GSSR, much to the surprise of both sides.
In other words, thanks to the work of KGB and GRU operatives, Marchenko knows that Maximillian will one day set his sights on Gallia (Valkof, ragnite reserves, yadda yadda), and so decides that the best defense in this instance is a good offense. And catching a few Imperial agents who had slipped into the GSSR to lay advance preparations makes for good press when it's time to lay his case before the people or something.

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Cue Selvaria getting shocked by Next-Gen Tesla Tanks [the M113-based ones].
"Two thousand volts, coming up!"

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actually have a list of potential uses for the M113...
All of which make sense. Consider this compromise with respect to the Tesla tanks: only the test articles use the M113 as a basis; the actual production model uses the Rhino chassis. As noted below, the -113 doesn't carry that much in the way of armor.
Of course, M113s also make nice missile vehicles, using an analogue of the XM501 and carrying a small aerial drone for off-board targeting.

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Also: Alicia in an Ushanka! Despite her not really liking the idea, but, hey! That mental image... I like it, for whatever reason (perhaps because ushankas are f'ing awesome hats?)
It's a shame we don't know any good fanartists...

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Interesting, as far as I've read into it Yuri helped mind control some of the civie populace in RA2. Then dissappeared when the Soviets lost. Was he part of their defeat by trying to pull something? Wonder how he'll effect events in the VC world.
According to this wiki entry, he apparently slipped the proveribal leash around the time of Operation Chrono Storm (RA2's final Allied mission); his resurfacing is accounted for in Yuri's Revenge.

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As for the M113 chassis uses, guess that could work but it'll be a bit lightly armored for the purposes of a Tesla tank.
Hence why, as theorized above, the only 'Tesla-113s' seen would be test articles on the grounds of an R&D complex (the one Isara is now holed up in seems to be the GSSR version of Dreamland).

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Alicia in an Ushanka... whats a Ushanka?
That would be a type of Russian hat (Wikipedia entry).
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Interesting, as far as I've read into it Yuri helped mind control some of the civie populace in RA2. Then dissappeared when the Soviets lost. Was he part of their defeat by trying to pull something? Wonder how he'll effect events in the VC world.
That is part of it. After RA2, we have Yuri's Revenge, where Yuri backstabs the Soviets, and both the Allies and Soviets gang up on him.

In VC, Yuri could possibly be sent to the GSSR by the Soviet ending of YR, with the change being that he's sent to Gallia, where either Marchenko or Max (neither knowing who he is) enlist his aid, giving him the ground work to start over again.

Cue Backstab.

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As for the M113 chassis uses, guess that could work but it'll be a bit lightly armored for the purposes of a Tesla tank.
Well, the original RA1 Tesla tank wasn't exactly 'heavy' in terms of survivability, either. It was more so a support vehicle. Also, the M113 could simply be used as the base; nothing is preventing the Soviets (Or Allies/Gallian Revolutionaries) from strapping more armor onto it.

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Empire against the small Soviet Republic (former Soviet Union that was defeated in the RA2 timeline I guess). how many waves of Imps does it take to kill a Tesla Tank.
The Soviets here were sent back from the end of Red Alert 1, Allied victory (and canon ending leading to RA2). Note that the Empire's tech level is near actual WWII levels, sans aircraft. The Soviets, and thus the GSSR, have a tech level more closely resembling Vietnam, give or take (Iron Curtains, Tesla Tanks, Mi-24 Hinds, etc.).

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Alicia in an Ushanka... whats a Ushanka?


The difference being Alicia's (and also Welkin's) is brown.

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As for the story I'm writing, it wont be done till sometime this week but it's getting there.

A list of units i'll try to describe in words are:
-Tesla Tanks
-Hijacker
-Scorpion Tanks
-Sickles
-Demo Trap
-Apocalypse Tanks
-Technicals
-Conscripts
-Battle Busses
-Mammoth Tanks (the one that's actually a Mammoth )
etc.
Wait... you're using an April Fool's joke?

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Real world weapon systems I'm using are as included:
-F-16 (Gallia)
-OV-10 Bronco (GLA)
-IFV Stryker (Gallian w/out camera mounted machine guns)
-Mig 29 and Su 33 (Soviets)
-Mi-8 (From Generals Shockwave Mod but real nonetheless) (GLA)
-MH-6 Little Bird (GLA)
My only gripe here is that the MH-6 is American, though it could easily have fallen out of service. Since Gallia has the F16, it could be used for them, rather than a middle eastern terrorist organization.

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Aside from that, what air assets whould I give the Imperials? Should I just rip it off of "The Sky Crawlers" (just replace turboprops with jet engines) or should I just use the same craft from the Soviets?
Hmm... For starters, Some the MiG-31 and Su-27 could find some use.

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Yep, him. I'm sure you can find footage of that fight on YouTube, and there almost certainly is a 'Metal Gear Wiki' that can prove useful.
I thought so. But how would I get something like that into text form?

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In other words, thanks to the work of KGB and GRU operatives, Marchenko knows that Maximillian will one day set his sights on Gallia (Valkof, ragnite reserves, yadda yadda), and so decides that the best defense in this instance is a good offense. And catching a few Imperial agents who had slipped into the GSSR to lay advance preparations makes for good press when it's time to lay his case before the people or something.
This... is... SOVIET GALLIA! Seeing as how Marchenko holds all the power (and a particularly jumpy right hand), he simply needs a feeble excuse to go to war. Truth be told, Marchenko's ambitions easily rival those of Maximillian.

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"Two thousand volts, coming up!"
That's a Tesla Trooper quote. A better one would be "No charge for extra power!"

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All of which make sense. Consider this compromise with respect to the Tesla tanks: only the test articles use the M113 as a basis; the actual production model uses the Rhino chassis. As noted below, the -113 doesn't carry that much in the way of armor.
Of course, M113s also make nice missile vehicles, using an analogue of the XM501 and carrying a small aerial drone for off-board targeting.
You have a good point; though, perhaps Max's first run in with the Tesla tanks could be because he attacked the research base that Moskvin was having the tanks developed from (while singing his horrible rendition of the 'Hymn of the Soviet Union.' I figure, in that respect, Moskvin and Edy could be a bit similar, albeit Nikolai a bit more unscrewed.)
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In VC, Yuri could possibly be sent to the GSSR by the Soviet ending of YR, with the change being that he's sent to Gallia, where either Marchenko or Max (neither knowing who he is) enlist his aid, giving him the ground work to start over again.

Cue Backstab.
Yep, I can see Yuri trying to worm his way into being the puppetmaster behind the Empire. Or something.

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The Soviets here were sent back from the end of Red Alert 1, Allied victory (and canon ending leading to RA2). Note that the Empire's tech level is near actual WWII levels, sans aircraft. The Soviets, and thus the GSSR, have a tech level more closely resembling Vietnam, give or take (Iron Curtains, Tesla Tanks, Mi-24 Hinds, etc.).
Which I'm guessing the Empire is aware of, which would explain some of their 'black' programs (crash efforts at catching up). As noted, the applications of airpower exhibited by Allies and Soviets alike must have been a big eye-opener to folks in the rest of Europa and beyond.

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I thought so. But how would I get something like that into text form?
Indeed, Yuri and Psycho Mantis are very similar in terms of psionic powers. If you're planning to let your inner jerkass have some fun with a Mantis-inspired boss fight, I'm sure there're multiple entries in FanFiction.net's MGS directory wherein folks have tried their hand at putting that into prose.

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This... is... SOVIET GALLIA! Seeing as how Marchenko holds all the power (and a particularly jumpy right hand), he simply needs a feeble excuse to go to war. Truth be told, Marchenko's ambitions easily rival those of Maximillian.
True enough. On the one hand, if someone drops a good excuse into your lap, why waste it? Of course, making the Big Pronouncement comes after KGB has quietly done what it can in turning those agents it can, 'disappearing' those it couldn't, and using the former to feed disinformation to the Empire about the GSSR's state of readiness, etc.

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You have a good point; though, perhaps Max's first run in with the Tesla tanks could be because he attacked the research base that Moskvin was having the tanks developed from...
Yep, there you go. Unfortunately for the attackers, the Tesla ordnance isn't the only thing Moskvin's been playing with in there.

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...(while singing his horrible rendition of the 'Hymn of the Soviet Union.I figure, in that respect, Moskvin and Edy could be a bit similar, albeit Nikolai a bit more unscrewed.)
I'm sorry, this just begs for another blooper-reel moment: Moskvin and Edy take on karaoke night at 'Dreamland'...
Here, have gratuitous Edy image:

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Yep, I can see Yuri trying to worm his way into being the puppetmaster behind the Empire. Or something.
Watch as the remnants of the Federation pull a Dugan.

-Federal Leader: Yuri... The Empire needs a leader. Don't you want to help people.
-Yuri: Why should I settle for one country, when I can have... the entire world?
-Fed. Leader: Dear god... he's really going to do it... may the Valkyrur help us all.

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Which I'm guessing the Empire is aware of, which would explain some of their 'black' programs (crash efforts at catching up). As noted, the applications of airpower exhibited by Allies and Soviets alike must have been a big eye-opener to folks in the rest of Europa and beyond.
Well, Max will could be full-on Emperor by the time '39 rolls around (perhaps enlisting the aid of remnent Allied forces to take out the actual Emperor and any threats) to his power, and since, if I recall, the Empire rejected the Airforce idea because a Darscen came up with it (or something along those lines), Max could still see it as a 'dirty' idea; I can easily see Marchenko taking advantage of Maximillian's cockiness, and using some version of Cluster bomb on Imperial forces.

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Indeed, Yuri and Psycho Mantis are very similar in terms of psionic powers. If you're planning to let your inner jerkass have some fun with a Mantis-inspired boss fight, I'm sure there're multiple entries in FanFiction.net's MGS directory wherein folks have tried their hand at putting that into prose.
Well, Mantis, to my knowledge (or lack thereof, in this case), can only read minds; Yuri and his clones can full-on control them, or just melt the person's brain.

Spoiler for VC: Yuri's Revenge?:


Man, I'm an Asshat.

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True enough. On the one hand, if someone drops a good excuse into your lap, why waste it? Of course, making the Big Pronouncement comes after KGB has quietly done what it can in turning those agents it can, 'disappearing' those it couldn't, and using the former to feed disinformation to the Empire about the GSSR's state of readiness, etc.
This could actually pave the way, some time in 1940-41, for Max to call upon the recently-sent-back Yuri to help him.

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Yep, there you go. Unfortunately for the attackers, the Tesla ordnance isn't the only thing Moskvin's been playing with in there.
It will be a silent spring!

I also figure, what with the flesh eating chemicals and radiation, Desolators could actually make short work of a Valkyria, possibly causing the Soviets to, during the YR-inspired bit, after having found out after killing Selvaria with a Tesla tank, if Yuri mind controls Alicia, since Marchenko wouldn't give a damn about her, he could possibly have Moskvin use some combination of RA2's and Uprising's Desolators.

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I'm sorry, this just begs for another blooper-reel moment: Moskvin and Edy take on karaoke night at 'Dreamland'...
Here, have gratuitous Edy image:


I'll see you, and raise you Premier Romanov.



I actually have caption for it:

Romanov:What do you mean, Moskvin is singing with a Gallian? How bad could it be?

Moskvin, Edy: (Insert poorly sung song here)

Romanov: MY EARS! I WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO UN-HEAR THAT! AGH!

Me: Hahahaha (listens) AGH!
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Chapter 9, Afterlife, is now up. I personally think I could have picked a better name. I also need to get out of this double posting habit of mine. It can't be good for me.

I've noticed Runty poking around on this thread a bit, so I'll ask him this: How's chapter 8 coming along? Frankly, It's driving me apecrap having to wait this long.
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Chapter 9, Afterlife, is now up. I personally think I could have picked a better name. I also need to get out of this double posting habit of mine. It can't be good for me.

I've noticed Runty poking around on this thread a bit, so I'll ask him this: How's chapter 8 coming along? Frankly, It's driving me apecrap having to wait this long.
Sorry, man, if I am. Trust me, I'm working as quickly as I can allow. I do have exams running from Dec. 10-18, so I have to keep my priorities straight.

If I had to guess, I'm about 70% done with the chapter. There's a few parts where I'm having a bit of trouble, primarily having to do with character conversations. The framework is laid out, so I just have to fill in the bodywork.
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Sorry, man, if I am. Trust me, I'm working as quickly as I can allow. I do have exams running from Dec. 10-18, so I have to keep my priorities straight.

If I had to guess, I'm about 70% done with the chapter. There's a few parts where I'm having a bit of trouble, primarily having to do with character conversations. The framework is laid out, so I just have to fill in the bodywork.

IN THE NAME OF MOTHER RUSSIA AND COMRADE STALIN, HURRY UP. (J/K)

Exams... agh. Collage or High school? Either way, it's a damn good reason not to be updating.

I'm really looking forward to what you have in store for Chpt. 8 in it's entirety. While your musings with DC20 interest me, you could easily be witholding VALUBLE INFOS. Which is driving me BLOODY F'ING INSANE.

*Ahem.* Moving along, best of luck on those exams.
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...and since, if I recall, the Empire rejected the Airforce idea because a Darscen came up with it (or something along those lines), Max could still see it as a 'dirty' idea; I can easily see Marchenko taking advantage of Maximillian's cockiness, and using some version of Cluster bomb on Imperial forces.
Another alternative: Soviet analogue of AC-130 family. The 'cone of death' drawn by its cannons' tracers is not something that would soon be forgotten. A couple of possible improvements over the real-world version:
  • wing stations carrying laser-guided missiles (friendly ground units can lase triple-A or other such nuisances for these to deal with on the way in); and
  • a mirror for the 'Copperhead' guided shell for the howitzer (for those situations where the big gun needs to be turned on point targets)
And if you want to have some fun with the personalities making up Imperial High Command... well, I had this mental image of Jaeger, counfounded by the others' willingness to effectively cede the skies to the GSSR for petty, bigoted reasons, setting up some black programs of his own. If the Allied remnants show up here, he might well be working with the likes of Granger or Giles.

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Well, Mantis, to my knowledge (or lack thereof, in this case), can only read minds; Yuri and his clones can full-on control them, or just melt the person's brain.
Here's the Metal Gear wiki entry covering this gentleman; that should lay the matter to rest.

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It will be a silent spring!

I also figure, what with the flesh eating chemicals and radiation, Desolators could actually make short work of a Valkyria, possibly causing the Soviets to, during the YR-inspired bit, after having found out after killing Selvaria with a Tesla tank, if Yuri mind controls Alicia, since Marchenko wouldn't give a damn about her, he could possibly have Moskvin use some combination of RA2's and Uprising's Desolators.
If we're using RA3 Desolators (chemical ordnance), that program could also spin off viral snipers.

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I'll see you, and raise you Premier Romanov...
Yes, that was good for a laugh. If the singing is that bad, expect some enterprising chap to have recorded it for use in PSYOPS...

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If nothing else, it was an interesting intermission. Opportunities to flesh out the various characters running around are always a good thing.
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