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Old 2009-11-30, 18:53   Link #301
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Another alternative: Soviet analogue of AC-130 family. The 'cone of death' drawn by its cannons' tracers is not something that would soon be forgotten. A couple of possible improvements over the real-world version:
To my knowledge, the Soviet off-map support bomber is a Badger. I figure, place some 20mm autocannons and perhaps a 76.2mm (or 85mm) gun or two on it, we should have a Soviet rendition of the AC-130. Even Selvaria runs away.

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  • wing stations carrying laser-guided missiles (friendly ground units can lase triple-A or other such nuisances for these to deal with on the way in); and
  • a mirror for the 'Copperhead' guided shell for the howitzer (for those situations where the big gun needs to be turned on point targets)
Plus, these are the Soviets: Thus far, we've had Tesla Tanks, Tesla Troopers, Tesla Coils, Tesla Boats (Stingrays), and Tesla Blimps (RA2's Elite Kirovs) and the only things missing are Tesla Planes and Tesla Choppers. That'd be scary.

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And if you want to have some fun with the personalities making up Imperial High Command... well, I had this mental image of Jaeger, counfounded by the others' willingness to effectively cede the skies to the GSSR for petty, bigoted reasons, setting up some black programs of his own. If the Allied remnants show up here, he might well be working with the likes of Granger or Giles.

Damned capitalist pigs, sticking their noses in other people's business! I can easily see the stranded Allied forces, deprived of Chronospheres, aiding the both the Imperials once the time comes, and, since the enemy of our enemy is our friend, the GRA. All sorts of possiblities.

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Here's the Metal Gear wiki entry covering this gentleman; that should lay the matter to rest.
Good god... Man, he's ugly. Hmm... using something similar for Welkin and Boris vs. Yuri and his cronies would be interesting, to say the least...

HAIL TO THE GREAT YURI.

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If we're using RA3 Desolators (chemical ordnance), that program could also spin off viral snipers.
Good point... OH GOD. Imagine Marina with one of those guns. Plus, that's a Yuri unit (heh). Then Again, he could have to re-develop it after getting his ass handed to him by the Soviets in YR (the canon ending for this fic).

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Yes, that was good for a laugh. If the singing is that bad, expect some enterprising chap to have recorded it for use in PSYOPS...
Assuming, of course, it doesn't break the microphone.

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If nothing else, it was an interesting intermission. Opportunities to flesh out the various characters running around are always a good thing.
Gotta admit: Suprise run in with Comrade Prime Minister Sergei Marchenko... They wouldn't see that coming (and, probably wouldn't risk getting sent to the Gulags. Nowhere have I said Marchenko is above that [nor have I implied he's below it, though.])
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Old 2009-11-30, 20:20   Link #302
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To my knowledge, the Soviet off-map support bomber is a Badger. I figure, place some 20mm autocannons and perhaps a 76.2mm (or 85mm) gun or two on it, we should have a Soviet rendition of the AC-130. Even Selvaria runs away.
I don't think a Badger has the volume/capacity needed for the gunship role; for this, you'll want something like the An-12. Or, if you wanna go Really Big and Badass, the An-22...

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Plus, these are the Soviets: Thus far, we've had Tesla Tanks, Tesla Troopers, Tesla Coils, Tesla Boats (Stingrays), and Tesla Blimps (RA2's Elite Kirovs) and the only things missing are Tesla Planes and Tesla Choppers. That'd be scary.
Indeed, some gunships might trade the howitzer for a Tesla weapon akin to what's seen on the Tesla tanks. Also possible is a Hind conversion, with the passenger space being traded off for the Tesla weapon; its emitter coil would take up the chin mount instead of the cannon.

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Damned capitalist pigs, sticking their noses in other people's business! I can easily see the stranded Allied forces, deprived of Chronospheres, aiding the both the Imperials once the time comes, and, since the enemy of our enemy is our friend, the GRA. All sorts of possiblities.
This will require further thought, but you can see the schism sure to arise within the Empire as a result of Max's (and that other chap whose name escapes me at present) stubborn refusal to get with the program, tech- and tactics-wise.
Ironically, if you compare the relative size, manufacturing capacity, etc. of the Empire and GSSR, you'll find that Marchenko is in the sort of position the Allies are usually in back in the canon RA universe: having to counter superior numbers with superior quality. And out-of-the-box tactics.

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Good god... Man, he's ugly. Hmm... using something similar for Welkin and Boris vs. Yuri and his cronies would be interesting, to say the least...
And let's not forget that whatever it is our heroes are going to pull out of their collective hats, it'll have to work before the clock runs out and Marchenko's failsafe (chemical or thermobaric strike) goes off...

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Good point... OH GOD. Imagine Marina with one of those guns. Plus, that's a Yuri unit (heh). Then Again, he could have to re-develop it after getting his ass handed to him by the Soviets in YR (the canon ending for this fic).
Bonus points for Marina using the viral sniper soundbites.
And speaking of soundbites, it turns out that with a slight change, one of Yuriko's is perfect for making Welkin's life... interesting...

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Old 2009-11-30, 21:26   Link #303
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I don't think a Badger has the volume/capacity needed for the gunship role; for this, you'll want something like the An-12. Or, if you wanna go Really Big and Badass, the An-22...
Hell, let's go for broke... These are the Soviets, and Bigger is Better.

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Indeed, some gunships might trade the howitzer for a Tesla weapon akin to what's seen on the Tesla tanks. Also possible is a Hind conversion, with the passenger space being traded off for the Tesla weapon; its emitter coil would take up the chin mount instead of the cannon.
So very, very Soviet. I simply wonder why EA and Westwood never pursued such ideas; it's really the only way left for Tesla weapons to go. Also: Migs with Tesla ordinance in place of the missiles (though, with a limited amount of discharges, since Tesla weapons seem to be quite power-consumptive).

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This will require further thought, but you can see the schism sure to arise within the Empire as a result of Max's (and that other chap whose name escapes me at present) stubborn refusal to get with the program, tech- and tactics-wise.
...Name escapes me too. That other blond bloke, Gregor? That him?

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Ironically, if you compare the relative size, manufacturing capacity, etc. of the Empire and GSSR, you'll find that Marchenko is in the sort of position the Allies are usually in back in the canon RA universe: having to counter superior numbers with superior quality. And out-of-the-box tactics.
Of course, I easily see the PM not having any qualms about use of Nuclear, Biological, and Chemical weapons. That petty treaty preventing the use of such weapons (expanded to include Nukes, of course) exists for one reason:

To be broken.

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And let's not forget that whatever it is our heroes are going to pull out of their collective hats, it'll have to work before the clock runs out and Marchenko's failsafe (chemical or thermobaric strike) goes off...
Marchenko brought Atomic Weapons with him: Also, nothing is preventing him from retooling 'Dreamland,' as you've dubbed it, into Tankograd. It might alienate everyone there, but it only takes a little bit of time in office to turn a man into a psycho dictator: He'll be quite Stalinesque soon enough.

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Bonus points for Marina using the viral sniper soundbites.
Now that's just scary.

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And speaking of soundbites, it turns out that with a slight change, one of Yuriko's is perfect for making Welkin's life... interesting...

"Will you play with me?"
I see Welkin wearing A) the Conscript's mask B) Anything face-obscuring a lot more if she ever gets in there. And the Schadenfreude that would arise from Yuriko's attempts to knock Alicia off the table (and resulting failures. Really, if I'm going to kill Alicia, I'll make her death one really big damn sacrifice [or by Tesla weapon]: I'm not about to let the Canon of either game get even further fracked by a schoolgirl who can throw tanks at people with her mind.)


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itrytofight posted in an Anon review about the Fouzen Incident: While I will delve into the Friendly Fire bits later, it involved one or more Lancer, an Apache Longbow, Allied Riflemen, and possibly overall incompetence on part of the normal Army.
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Old 2009-11-30, 22:10   Link #304
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Damn... too much too look up, and I've already forgot a huge chunk of what was bing said since my reply. Guess I'll just try, firs off:

The Mammoth Tank (with an actual Whooly) is just a APrils Fool Joke!? Crap I already incorporated it into my story.

As for the Soviet version of the AC-130, I vote for An-22, bigger is always better as long as it's reasonably protected and reasonably flyable.

Tesla Weapons on aircraft, think it'll cause alot of reindly fire incidents and lightning striking the craft and making it go boom (cause of the lightning rod).

Let's see what else, Yuriko vs. Alicia, should be an interesting battle if she ever gets in it; especially if its over Welkin.

Just found out what a viral sniper is, cross with Marina and its pure win. Wish Catherine were to do the same though, assuming she's dead for the count in your fic.

Thanks for reading my review and answering my question, I'll just leave you with this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzPKiAmIxNk

Trying to to make my fic similar to said trailer, just add Generals and RA3 weaponry, VC w/ Valkyria, and lost of funny situations/warfare/angst/etc.

Also got the inspiration to let the GLA, or the MEC in my fic, to have the Little Bird from this game. Any similar replacements is welcome though, seeing that the Little bird is an American copter.
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Old 2009-11-30, 23:51   Link #305
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Damn... too much too look up, and I've already forgot a huge chunk of what was bing said since my reply. Guess I'll just try, firs off:

The Mammoth Tank (with an actual Whooly) is just a APrils Fool Joke!? Crap I already incorporated it into my story.
I can make a pretty good guess on who's never read any of Apoc's posts on the C&C Forums. It became pretty clear that the Mammoth Tank, tusks and all, was a mere joke within hours of the profile being posted. May I direct you to a non-whooly replacement, such as this one.

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As for the Soviet version of the AC-130, I vote for An-22, bigger is always better as long as it's reasonably protected and reasonably flyable.
Since I intend for bits of RA2's technology to start poking out, the An-124 is actually better suited: It was about at RA2 when the soviets tossed practicality out the window, and they developed the Bigger-better-badder mentality. Soviet units became vastly more bulky in the gap between RA1 and 2, with only small exceptions (Attack dogs and Terror drones).

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Tesla Weapons on aircraft, think it'll cause alot of reindly fire incidents and lightning striking the craft and making it go boom (cause of the lightning rod).
A possible downside to Tesla aircraft could be just that: inablity to be used during adverse weather (something the Imperials could exploit, assuming the Soviets never catch on to weather control devices similar to the ones the Allies use in RA2). This would prevent normal Gunships (such as normal Mi-24's and their cousin, the Twinblade) from going obsolete.

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Let's see what else, Yuriko vs. Alicia, should be an interesting battle if she ever gets in it; especially if its over Welkin.
Yuriko finding her way into the VC universe (and subsequently, Welkin into Yuriko's heart, much to the chargin of Alicia) would be another fic, though a war using the EoRTS going against the expanded GSSR (having become a the full-on Soviet Union) could present her with some options.

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Just found out what a viral sniper is, cross with Marina and its pure win. Wish Catherine were to do the same though, assuming she's dead for the count in your fic.
Well, a certain Shock Trooper may have worked her way into Moskvin's hands, and become a Shock Trooper in a more literal sense: Catherine could quite as easily simply ended up M.I.A. and presumed dead. War is two things: 1. Expensive, and 2. Uncertain.

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Thanks for reading my review and answering my question, I'll just leave you with this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzPKiAmIxNk

Trying to to make my fic similar to said trailer, just add Generals and RA3 weaponry, VC w/ Valkyria, and lost of funny situations/warfare/angst/etc.

Also got the inspiration to let the GLA, or the MEC in my fic, to have the Little Bird from this game. Any similar replacements is welcome though, seeing that the Little bird is an American copter.
Well, since the GLA uses a lot of Second-hand stuff (that, and the Technical is little more than a truck with a gun on it), Any number of Civilian aircraft could fill the boots of the Little Bird, as well as nicked aircraft from any of the factions (The Soviets could easily not like having their old Mi-24's stolen, though, since I assume you'll be using the Twinblad, not the Hind).
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Old 2009-12-01, 00:24   Link #306
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Hell, let's go for broke... These are the Soviets, and Bigger is Better.
That sounds like something from the Moskvin's-long-term-projects heap.

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So very, very Soviet. I simply wonder why EA and Westwood never pursued such ideas; it's really the only way left for Tesla weapons to go.
I have no idea why. Just like I found it odd that both C&C3's Hammerheads and RA3's Twinblades use the Flettner intermeshing-rotor layout instead of the coaxial configuration associated with the Russian Kamov design bureau. Oh well; moving on...

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Also: Migs with Tesla ordinance in place of the missiles (though, with a limited amount of discharges, since Tesla weapons seem to be quite power-consumptive).
Given the existence of Tesla bombs on RA2's elite Kirovs, it wouldn't be beyond the realm of possibility for smaller ones to exist suitable for use as bombs or artillery shells. With some work, you'd even get Tesla missiles, in the spirit of Gen Alexander's EMP Patriots from Zero Hour...

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...Name escapes me too. That other blond bloke, Gregor? That him?
Yeah, Brethold Gregor. Stuffy-looking blighter, isn't he?

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Of course, I easily see the PM not having any qualms about use of Nuclear, Biological, and Chemical weapons. That petty treaty preventing the use of such weapons (expanded to include Nukes, of course) exists for one reason:

To be broken.
Provided, of course, the tactical situation justifies it. I suspect the GSSR chemical weapons arsenal will be long on quick-acting non-persistent agents.

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Marchenko brought Atomic Weapons with him: Also, nothing is preventing him from retooling 'Dreamland,' as you've dubbed it, into Tankograd.
In the interest of operational security it would be wise to leave 'Dreamland' (I wonder what the Russian translation of that would be) to do all the R&D and associated limited-scale manufacturing, with the actual manufacturing en masse of field-grade articles handed off to the usual suspects. You know, the fewer people in on the loop, the better.

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It might alienate everyone there, but it only takes a little bit of time in office to turn a man into a psycho dictator: He'll be quite Stalinesque soon enough.
Unless you want to throw folks for a loop and have Marchenko mature into a leader in the vein of Grand Admiral Thrawn. After all, one could argue that Max and Yuri might fill the psycho quotient nicely.

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I see Welkin wearing A) the Conscript's mask B) Anything face-obscuring a lot more if she ever gets in there.
Alternate 'B' can include the partial facemask intended as a nod to the leader of another universe's Squad 7. Except that Welkin still has both his original eyes. Extra bonus points for small orange book.

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And the Schadenfreude that would arise from Yuriko's attempts to knock Alicia off the table (and resulting failures. Really, if I'm going to kill Alicia, I'll make her death one really big damn sacrifice [or by Tesla weapon]: I'm not about to let the Canon of either game get even further fracked by a schoolgirl who can throw tanks at people with her mind.)
Of course, of course; hence why this weirdness remains for the time being in the blooper reels. Of course, it's possible (albeit unlikely) that Suki talks some sense into her before that point is reached...
It should be noted that Kenji actually had the gall to ask why she didn't just go and do some, err, rewriting. That got him hung from a flagpole in nothing but Hello Kitty briefs.

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Let's see what else, Yuriko vs. Alicia, should be an interesting battle if she ever gets in it; especially if its over Welkin.
Again, at present not likely to escape the blooper reels. Hey, if VC proper can have that 'beach party' outtake...

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Since I intend for bits of RA2's technology to start poking out, the An-124 is actually better suited: It was about at RA2 when the soviets tossed practicality out the window, and they developed the Bigger-better-badder mentality...
Well, if you want to turn that up to the proverbial eleven, reference to the P-1112 'Aigaion' and its escort craft are recommended...

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A possible downside to Tesla aircraft could be just that: inablity to be used during adverse weather (something the Imperials could exploit, assuming the Soviets never catch on to weather control devices similar to the ones the Allies use in RA2). This would prevent normal Gunships (such as normal Mi-24's and their cousin, the Twinblade) from going obsolete.
This might be a weakness of Tesla weapons in general (with the maybe exception of the abovementioned bombs/shells/missiles). Besides, as noted, the baseline Hind also doubles as a troop transport, so its place in the ORBAT is assured.

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Well, a certain Shock Trooper may have worked her way into Moskvin's hands, and become a Shock Trooper in a more literal sense: Catherine could quite as easily simply ended up M.I.A. and presumed dead. War is two things: 1. Expensive, and 2. Uncertain.
This sounds a bit like what happened to David Luger in 'Night of the Hawk'. Which, like most of Dale Brown's books, I have no problem recommending.
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That sounds like something from the Moskvin's-long-term-projects heap.
It also opens up possibilties for Harbinger and Devestator shout outs: The name referencing the Scrin craft, and unit soundbites ('Gunship, all checked out', 'Ever wonder what they're thinking down there?') refering to the Harbinger.

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I have no idea why. Just like I found it odd that both C&C3's Hammerheads and RA3's Twinblades use the Flettner intermeshing-rotor layout instead of the coaxial configuration associated with the Russian Kamov design bureau. Oh well; moving on...
Possibly because the Coaxial rotors look too much like one rotor spining in two directions: People would probably think it quite cheap of EA.

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Given the existence of Tesla bombs on RA2's elite Kirovs, it wouldn't be beyond the realm of possibility for smaller ones to exist suitable for use as bombs or artillery shells. With some work, you'd even get Tesla missiles, in the spirit of Gen Alexander's EMP Patriots from Zero Hour...
That would be an interesting development by Moskvin's research base: It would also turn both the Armageddon and Apocalypse tanks into vastly more potent machines.

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Provided, of course, the tactical situation justifies it. I suspect the GSSR chemical weapons arsenal will be long on quick-acting non-persistent agents.
*coughsarincough*

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In the interest of operational security it would be wise to leave 'Dreamland' (I wonder what the Russian translation of that would be) to do all the R&D and associated limited-scale manufacturing, with the actual manufacturing en masse of field-grade articles handed off to the usual suspects. You know, the fewer people in on the loop, the better.
He could always plonk some automated weapons factories down in Dreamland: If Max ever gets there (which he will), he could suddenly find himself swamped with Rhino tanks.

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Unless you want to throw folks for a loop and have Marchenko mature into a leader in the vein of Grand Admiral Thrawn. After all, one could argue that Max and Yuri might fill the psycho quotient nicely.
Well, the Idea of a Stalinesque Marchenko spins from the idea of him being on the defensive side of a Civil war: He could decide to purge the Chain-of-command post-war if some of his commanders show their true, possibly anti-communist colors.

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Of course, of course; hence why this weirdness remains for the time being in the blooper reels. Of course, it's possible (albeit unlikely) that Suki talks some sense into her before that point is reached...
It should be noted that Kenji actually had the gall to ask why she didn't just go and do some, err, rewriting. That got him hung from a flagpole in nothing but Hello Kitty briefs.
Heh... Hah...

HAHAHAHAHA!

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Again, at present not likely to escape the blooper reels. Hey, if VC proper can have that 'beach party' outtake...
Que Uniform Malfuctions and resulting fanservice.

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Well, if you want to turn that up to the proverbial eleven, reference to the P-1112 'Aigaion' and its escort craft are recommended...
For now, the An-124 and An-225 will work fine.

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This might be a weakness of Tesla weapons in general (with the maybe exception of the abovementioned bombs/shells/missiles). Besides, as noted, the baseline Hind also doubles as a troop transport, so its place in the ORBAT is assured.
I don't know, the RA3 concept art for the Tesla Tank and Tesla Trooper seems to be quite overcast.

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This sounds a bit like what happened to David Luger in 'Night of the Hawk'. Which, like most of Dale Brown's books, I have no problem recommending.
Note to self: Check out 'Night of the Hawk' from Library.
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The final chapter of Red Alert, Perseverance, is now up. But worry not, Tovarishch, for the Uprising will begin. I'm not about to let all those brilliant Unit ideas go to waste.
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It also opens up possibilties for Harbinger and Devestator shout outs: The name referencing the Scrin craft, and unit soundbites ('Gunship, all checked out', 'Ever wonder what they're thinking down there?') refering to the Harbinger.
I foresee Devastators - particularly those which trade the howitzer for a Tesla weapon - quickly becoming Nightmare Fuel for many an Imperial unit...

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That would be an interesting development by Moskvin's research base: It would also turn both the Armageddon and Apocalypse tanks into vastly more potent machines.
Hell yeah. But it gets better: one of the spinoffs of Tesla weapon research could easily be gauss guns.
Another note: if the Abrams here is anything like its real-world counterpart, then it (and its 'descendant', the Crusader) are relatively fast and quiet as tanks go (the use gas-turbine engines). I doubt the Soviets would ignore the possibilities presented here.

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He could always plonk some automated weapons factories down in Dreamland: If Max ever gets there (which he will), he could suddenly find himself swamped with Rhino tanks.
As an alternative, one of Moskvin's other secret projects (alongside the terror drones) might well be actual robot tanks. Which might possibly ,unlike their Yuri's Revenge kin, be capable of autonomous operation.

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Well, the Idea of a Stalinesque Marchenko spins from the idea of him being on the defensive side of a Civil war: He could decide to purge the Chain-of-command post-war if some of his commanders show their true, possibly anti-communist colors.
This reminds me: since the GSSR will have an air force, it is not beyond reason for Zhana to show up as well (albeit, with less fanservice).

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Heh... Hah...

HAHAHAHAHA!
Yes; pretty much what I was thinking. Even Tatsu cracked a smile at the sight.

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For now, the An-124 and An-225 will work fine.
Fair enough; there's going to be enough Crazy and Badass Stuff as it is.

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Heh, that's good to know.
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[QUOTE=Firefly00;2799558]I foresee Devastators - particularly those which trade the howitzer for a Tesla weapon - quickly becoming Nightmare Fuel for many an Imperial unit...[QUOTE]

I actually have a song in my head for the introduction of the Devastator Gunship. While the actual meaning pretains to the Ramstein Airbase accident in the late 80's, it works in my mind.

Also, I actually have a Harbinger-esque idea for the Shock Devastators: In RA2, the Soviets develop Tesla Reactors, do they not? I can see Moskvin applying a bit of force to get a couple of the brighter minds over in Dreamland to work on something similar to power the S.D.'s. This may or may not include Isara, who might get selected, but never sent if Marchenko decides that the Obyekt 374 is worth more than Moskvin's An-225 Gunships.

Also, the Normal Devastators (the ones with the load out of 5x 23mm Gatlings + 3x 152mm Cannons) actually firing at a combined rate from the Gatling guns at a minimum of 30,000 Rounds per Minute, actually firing fast enough to start chiseling away at Selvaria's shield. This might contradict canon a bit, but nobody directed a bunch of guns that fire 6,000 RPM at that shield, and backed it up with what is basically a flying artillery battery. The Normal Devastators could strike a considerable amount of fear into Imperial troops.

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Hell yeah. But it gets better: one of the spinoffs of Tesla weapon research could easily be gauss guns.
Well, the Stingray's profile does erronomously call the Tesla coils 'coilguns;' Magnetically accelerated projectiles are still ways off, though.

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Another note: if the Abrams here is anything like its real-world counterpart, then it (and its 'descendant', the Crusader) are relatively fast and quiet as tanks go (the use gas-turbine engines). I doubt the Soviets would ignore the possibilities presented here.
I beg to differ. As does the Rhino tank. Not exactly fast. By all means heavy, though.

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As an alternative, one of Moskvin's other secret projects (alongside the terror drones) might well be actual robot tanks. Which might possibly ,unlike their Yuri's Revenge kin, be capable of autonomous operation.
Isara, after the Wintergreen/Armageddon is finished, playing with an experimental Light tank perhaps? She could possibly get her hands on Volkov, using his A.I. as the base of the Robotank's A.I.

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This reminds me: since the GSSR will have an air force, it is not beyond reason for Zhana to show up as well (albeit, with less fanservice).
True: Moskvin has showed up, so Zhana is a possibilty. I will take that into consideration.

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Yes; pretty much what I was thinking. Even Tatsu cracked a smile at the sight.
And that one Commander who never speaks also gave comment: Unfortunately, it was in an incomprehensible gibberish, or Korean (sorry to anyone who actually speaks Korean out there.)

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Fair enough; there's going to be enough Crazy and Badass Stuff as it is.
That, and it's borderline impossible in Red Alert 3... at least, unless your an Imperial (Japanese Imperial, that is! Perhaps them going to the fanon of this Fic could see the Japanese kicking the snot out of the Soviet Union after they beat Yuri, Max, and the Feds over time. Marchenko, for obvious reasons, will be dead by then. He is but a human, after all.

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Heh, that's good to know.
I feel I should go somewhere with Marchenko basically saying "F U" to the Valkyrur (he calls them a biological error, after all).

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I actually have a song in my head for the introduction of the Devastator Gunship. While the actual meaning pretains to the Ramstein Airbase accident in the late 80's, it works in my mind.
Not bad; I'll see that, and raise you some alternates. First, from Metallica's 'S&M collaboration with the San Francisco Symphony and Michael Kamen:

And now, some tracks associated with airborne boss units in the Ace Combat franchise...

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Also, I actually have a Harbinger-esque idea for the Shock Devastators: In RA2, the Soviets develop Tesla Reactors, do they not? I can see Moskvin applying a bit of force to get a couple of the brighter minds over in Dreamland to work on something similar to power the S.D.'s. This may or may not include Isara, who might get selected, but never sent if Marchenko decides that the Obyekt 374 is worth more than Moskvin's An-225 Gunships.
Very possible, given that Dreamland is pretty much Moskvin's playground. And given the predicted status of 'Obyekt 374' as a permanent 'test article', the Devastators will indeed get to rain death on the enemies of the Union. Which reminds me of a couple more soundbite ideas:
  • "Forecast calls for... steel rain."
  • "Let's give them an unforgettable shower."
  • "Mmmm... borscht."

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Also, the Normal Devastators (the ones with the load out of 5x 23mm Gatlings + 3x 152mm Cannons) actually firing at a combined rate from the Gatling guns at a minimum of 30,000 Rounds per Minute, actually firing fast enough to start chiseling away at Selvaria's shield. This might contradict canon a bit, but nobody directed a bunch of guns that fire 6,000 RPM at that shield, and backed it up with what is basically a flying artillery battery.
Quite true. Never mind things like, say, a 40mm round from one of the gunships exploding behind her (as I understand it, we are talking about a literal shield, and Sel unfortunately lacks an 'automatic defense'). Never mind involuntary reaction to something like, oh I don't know, CS...
Besides, am I the only one who can picture Jaeger observing from a distance (or receiving reports of the resulting slaughter) and having an 'I tried to tell him...' moment?

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Well, the Stingray's profile does erronomously call the Tesla coils 'coilguns;' Magnetically accelerated projectiles are still ways off, though.
According to this Wikipedia entry the idea's been kicking around in our time since 1918, and the Luftwaffe actually had plans for AA gauss guns. While these were never built for a multiplicity of reasons (a 1947 study concluded that each gun's power requirements would have been enough to light half of Chigago)... well, we are talking about RA2 Soviet tech, so these weapon do manage to squeak into plausibility...

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I beg to differ. As does the Rhino tank. Not exactly fast. By all means heavy, though.
Related: nothing's preventing the GSSR from experimenting with 'Rat Patrol'-esque raid units (as discussed earlier in this thread). A 'natural' command for an officer with Cossack ancestry.

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Isara, after the Wintergreen/Armageddon is finished, playing with an experimental Light tank perhaps? She could possibly get her hands on Volkov, using his A.I. as the base of the Robotank's A.I.
That's one possibility; alternatively, if terror drones make it into production, she could use their AI as a basis (which the Allies were less successful at in canon). And since you brought up Volkov, that gives me an idea for later...

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And that one Commander who never speaks also gave comment: Unfortunately, it was in an incomprehensible gibberish, or Korean (sorry to anyone who actually speaks Korean out there.)
We're pretty sure it 'translated' into something along the lines of 'I told him it wasn't a good idea...'

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That, and it's borderline impossible in Red Alert 3... at least, unless your an Imperial (Japanese Imperial, that is!)
True; these are the chaps responsible for the Giga Fortress, so...

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I feel I should go somewhere with Marchenko basically saying "F U" to the Valkyrur (he calls them a biological error, after all).

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I'm suddenly thinking I need to make a realtime BLiTZ variant... though, IDK how potentials would work for mass-produced units (like Riflemen).

I agree about Jaeger and GPLAAF's gunships. I can further see that being expanded on with GPLA Paratroops.

A note about "Welkov" (Volkin?). I figure Sergei would unwittingly make even more trouble with Welks' loved ones... given a particular Darscen girl may end up the GSSR's top mind about AI...
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I'm suddenly thinking I need to make a realtime BLiTZ variant... though, IDK how potentials would work for mass-produced units (like Riflemen).
I can see a fusion of mechanics from EndWar and WH40K: Dawn of War working here. The former for squad management (it's already very similar to VC in that aspect); the latter for the handling of 'hero units' (i.e. named characters in VC) and their interactions with squads. Cherry with the RPG elements from Dawn of War 2 and you're set.

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I agree about Jaeger and GPLAAF's gunships. I can further see that being expanded on with GPLA Paratroops.
Oh yes, those're always fun. And if airmobile is more fitting for a given situation... well, these are the Soviets, and aside from the workhorse Hind, they do have some rather large helicopters...
Extra point if one of the paratroopers' unofficial mottoes is 'Feet First into Hell'.

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A note about "Welkov" (Volkin?). I figure Sergei would unwittingly make even more trouble with Welks' loved ones... given a particular Darscen girl may end up the GSSR's top mind about AI...
Well, stranger things have happened. On the other hand, if RA2 tech is making an appearance, repairing whatever damage the notional accident wrought on poor Comrade Gunther might not require cybernetics at all. Cloning vats are handy things. Especially if you can use that tech to grow replacement body parts using the subject's own genetic material.
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I can see a fusion of mechanics from EndWar and WH40K: Dawn of War working here. The former for squad management (it's already very similar to VC in that aspect); the latter for the handling of 'hero units' (i.e. named characters in VC) and their interactions with squads. Cherry with the RPG elements from Dawn of War 2 and you're set.
And for resources and production, we could turn to Tiberian Dawn up to Red Alert 2. Warning. Our Base, is under attack.

Well, I was thinking Randomly Assigned Potentials... but then we could see Susie in Apocalypse Tank form, and Jane in the form of a Combat Engineer. While that makes for great comedic value, it's nigh useless

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Oh yes, those're always fun. And if airmobile is more fitting for a given situation... well, these are the Soviets, and aside from the workhorse Hind, they do have some rather large helicopters...
How could I forget about that sort of monster? /slaps self.

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Extra point if one of the paratroopers' unofficial mottoes is 'Feet First into Hell'.
Eh.... wha?

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Well, stranger things have happened. On the other hand, if RA2 tech is making an appearance, repairing whatever damage the notional accident wrought on poor Comrade Gunther might not require cybernetics at all. Cloning vats are handy things. Especially if you can use that tech to grow replacement body parts using the subject's own genetic material.
Well, if my memory serves me correctly, 'Welkov,' as I shall call it, would have to require Welkin actually be dead. While a Welkin-clone could also be possible (and probable, since Marchenko being a dirty Communist pig, and all), I could see Comrade Premier using a brainwashed Clone of the Nature-lover to attempt to get Alicia to defect back to the Soviet side.

Of course, since Welclone would act odd, she'd see right through it.

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Chapter 2 of Red Alert 2, Vector, is now up.

Hmm... I smell a particular Gunship... and a shoutout to SyFy channel series...
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Chapter Three of VC: RA2 is up now. I couldn't think of a name, so I settled on "In Trouble" from TD (That would be Command & Conquer 1 for you non-CnC-ers).

Also, I've had some musings about what a VC/RA crossover would play like, if it were to be made.

Feel free to add onto that as you see fit.
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Okay, just to keep people up to date, my 8th chapter is around 85% complete. I just need to finish a few major parts, and then go through quality control. See, when I write these chapters, I try to "WOW" myself, so that I KNOW it'll be good. That's why I'm taking so long.

But in the meantime, I was listening to some music from one of my favorite GBA games, Golden Sun, when I had a crazy fanfic idea. I doubt I'll ever write it, but maybe someone else could take up the task.
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That's all I'm gonna list for now, as I need to get back to my exam studies. My last one, Algebra, is tomorrow, and I've got a lot of work to do. Wish me luck, and post comments on what you think of this idea.
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Ach, algebra. I'm glad I'm done with math. One of the few subjects I couldn't stand. Good luck, bru.

Good to hear you're at 85%. Studies come first, but I'm sure we'll have a good bit of story when you finally get it up.

As for your story idea, I never played the Golden Sun games, but I've heard they were pretty good. I'm not big on the whole supernatural powers deal (even the Valkyria were a bit much for me), but it sounds like it could be interesting. If somebody else picked it up I would give it at the very least a look through.

Also, out of curiosity, what's the word count at 85%?

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Ladies and germs, I have an announcement.

I. Am. INSAAANE!

That is all.
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Double post, yes, I know. But it's not in any way similar to prior ideas, minus, perhaps, Battlefield Gallia, my VC/WWII fic.

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