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Old 2009-05-01, 07:58   Link #1
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[Manga] Chapter 446 Discussion

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Old 2009-05-01, 09:16   Link #2
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A possible spoilers for 446 (not confirmed)

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Old 2009-05-01, 09:24   Link #3
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Wow...

Yahiko, you look like Naruto there....
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Old 2009-05-01, 09:27   Link #4
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A possible spoilers for 446 (not confirmed)

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Im going too say Fake, just my own guess.
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Old 2009-05-01, 10:09   Link #5
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It seems Kishi is using one of his favourite story templates when he decided that Danzou should be involved in both Sasuke's and Nagato's life, so after Madara's influence on both now we have Danzou too. Sasuke and Nagato having a similar story, so that where Nagato fails and dies Sasuke won't, of course because of Naruto being the "destined child".

It seems Nagato didn't discover the full power of his eyes at the time, since both Danzou and Hanzou were so close that if Nagato had already mastered his rinnegan he would kill them and Yahiko would have not died. The only logical way both Nagato and Konan survived would be that Nagato used his power when Yahiko died, but then how can it be that Danzou survived that. It's annoying how can someone like Danzou survive after being involved in both rinnegan and sharingan massacres. That shitty old man is the big survivor of this manga, he survived the Uchiha and the rinnegan too, now i hope he will either be killed by Sasuke soon or he is secretly Madara himself.

Looking at Danzou's age it seems Yahiko's death was at least a decade ago but likely even more, but Jiraiya didn't mention that the rain village was taken over by Nagato at that time. So i think this means that Nagato went on an unconscious rinnegan rampage but Hanzou somehow survived that and Nagato was probably taken away by Konan and his little army to hide from Hanzou's army. It's because Jiraiya did think that they all died, and he said that the rain village was closed down only recently. Taking over a village cannot be kept in secret for a decade, so i think after Yahiko's death Nagato was hiding and he used the time to master his rinnegan. They probably went after Jiraiya, and collected the bodies killed by Jiraiya and created Pain from them. After creating Pain Nagato probably met Madara somehow, and he created Akatsuki. Since akatsuki is at least 10 years old organization, i think that the current chapter is happening about 15 years ago. Somewhere around the time Madara attacked Konoha using the kyuubi. So i think Nagato killed Hanzou and took over the village somewhere in the 3 years timeskip, that's how Jiraiya only recently discovered him.

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Old 2009-05-01, 10:14   Link #6
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Hmm, shouldn't it be out by now? Or did I miss an announcement?
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Old 2009-05-01, 10:41   Link #7
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I must still say... Slumdogg Millionaire..

Yahiko/Salim (the older brother) saves (in his own way) Nagato/Jamal (his best friend/brother). Just like slumdog again... the girl Konan/Latika is the key to their story.

Kishimoto must've loved the movie aswell. Still....Yahiko could've faked it right? To miss his own vital organs...
What guarantees would Yahiko and Nagato have that Hanzou would've let her go? Zero..
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Old 2009-05-01, 11:21   Link #8
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Hmm, shouldn't it be out by now? Or did I miss an announcement?
This is actually next weeks chapter released a little earlier (for us at least) due to the beginning of Golden Week (this issue will not be on sale until next week).

That being said, thankfullyI was wrong about Shonen Jump's release after Golden Week .

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Well, at least I got my wish that Hanzou was a villain. But to add Danzou as well...sweet . Those damn -zou's always getting into trouble. That being said, does this mean that Yahiko and his gang were equal to the Sannin by the age of 16-20, considering the fact that Hanzou had to use deceit, betrayal, and back-stabbing to kill Yahiko? Whatever the case, still pretty cool.

This actually makes up for the stupid dog last chapter . And it is good enough to actually qualify as a real "pain".
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Old 2009-05-01, 11:23   Link #9
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How does a girl that can turn into paper get captured...simply turn into paper and float away...lol...or get drenched in the rain when turning into paper, or w/e safe from harm either way...
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Old 2009-05-01, 11:27   Link #10
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So, this when Danzou almost lost half of his body(or arm) right?
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Old 2009-05-01, 11:33   Link #11
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This is actually next weeks chapter released a little earlier (for us at least) due to the beginning of Golden Week (this issue will not be on sale until next week).

That being said, thankfullyI was wrong about Shonen Jump's release after Golden Week .

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Well, at least I got my wish that Hanzou was a villain. But to add Danzou as well...sweet . Those damn -zou's always getting into trouble. That being said, does this mean that Yahiko and his gang were equal to the Sannin by the age of 16-20, considering the fact that Hanzou had to use deceit, betrayal, and back-stabbing to kill Yahiko? Whatever the case, still pretty cool.

This actually makes up for the stupid dog last chapter . And it is good enough to actually qualify as a real "pain".
Yea I can't wait to read the actual chapter, ive read 3 different spoilers, which are pretty much the same, but little differences... like Yahiko's group was allied with Iwa and Konoha.. but then was betrayed by Konoha(Danzou) ..

And I think they are around 25-30 unless dead bodies age... seeing as chouji described yahiko pain around that age..

Also there group was pretty big, and they would be roughly the same age as the sannin were on the first meeting with Hanzou... Nagato anyways would definitely be a Ninja comparable of the sannin, and maybe even yahiko as well..

Also the panel of yahiko standing in front of his troops... leaning on his sword.. i can so see that same scene but with naruto... this might be a little foreshadowing of what is to come, with naruto leading a revolution yet succeeding where yahiko and nagato failed... similar obstacles in danzou etc,,
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Old 2009-05-01, 11:45   Link #12
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^Naruto sure has a lot to live up to . He has to correct the mistakes of the 1st and 2nd Hokage (which means dealing with Madara and the problem of the Uchiha clan (not to mention the Hyuuga's branding of their own kin). Deal with the Danzou problem left by Sarutobi. Come up with a permenent solution to the Kyuubi problem left by the 4th. And now he has to fulfill Yahiko's dream and show Nagato that he was wrong. There's just no break for our favourite blonde-haried brat .

That being said, another spoiler hinted that Iwa and Konoha had teamed together to help Hanzou kill Yahiko (and his merry band). How does that even make sense ?
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This was a nice nod to the earliest chapters: The ultimatum that Danzou gave to Nagato and Yahiko was almost exactly same as the mock scenario Kakashi used to explain the impossible choices of the shinobi world during the first bell test (when he held the kunai to Sasuke's head and told Sakura to kill Naruto).

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That being said, another spoiler hinted that Iwa and Konoha had teamed together to help Hanzou kill Yahiko (and his merry band). How does that even make sense ?
Danzou was probably acting of his own accord anyways, as usual. He could've teamed up with Iwa even if Konoha was at war with them at the time
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Old 2009-05-01, 13:29   Link #14
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Is chapter going to be released early this week, or still the same day as usual?
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Old 2009-05-01, 13:45   Link #15
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How does a girl that can turn into paper get captured...simply turn into paper and float away...lol...or get drenched in the rain when turning into paper, or w/e safe from harm either way...
Didn't you notice that it was not the real Konan? It was a paper clone of Konan, we saw the real Konan first time after Nagato blew up Konoha and she began nursing him.

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So, this when Danzou almost lost half of his body(or arm) right?
Certainly hope so, it would be stupid if he just survived Nagato's rampage without a scratch. Next chapter we will see how exactly Nagato reacted to Yahiko's death. Yahiko has already witnessed Nagato's rinnegan madness before, so it may be that Yahiko killed himself to trigger Nagato's power. It was a hopeless situation and maybe Yahiko's suddenly decided that his death will save Konan, because if Nagato goes rinnegan he can take control of the ninja who is holding Konan. Taking control of the body is the only way to save Konan, because they were too far to reach that ninja before he actually cuts Konan's throat.
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Wow...just wow. I don't think it was necessarily the act of Yahiko dying in itself that awakened "Pain", but how he was driven to do it (Hanzou). Also I really like those cloaks they were all wearing, nice precursor to the scratched hitai-ie & red cloud variety .
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Danzou looks bad ass >_> i can't wait to see him in action.
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^This appears to be back when he had 2 arms and did not walk with a slight limp...
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