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Old 2009-05-09, 17:36   Link #241
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Would my first theory be right though?

Request:
Conversation between Natsuhi and servants that happened ~11:45am on October 4.
Reconstruction of Rudolph's death, particularly if it was diffiicult to remove him from the chair. Also, check Kyrie's chair.
Also, if there is, Kuwasama and Gohda's conversation before Shannon entered the room ~7:40pm October 4

Recite:
Kinzo and Nanjo gambled something over the chess match.


From ~9PM October 4 to 6AM October 5, nobody left the guest house.
I refuse to repeat this.
^Because someone did!

More edits!
Since, Kanon and Shannon did not get into a fight at the rose garden and the only people possible of committing the 2nd twilight was Kanon, Shannon or Maria themselves were stated in red, Maria killed both Kanon and Shannon.
There is one thing wrong with your theory.
Since everything but Maria killed both Kanon and Shannon were stated in red, and Maria shot Shannon which killed her, Maria did not kill Kanon!

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Old 2009-05-09, 17:58   Link #242
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I apologise, Marion-Beatrice, but you never accepted or denied my request to say Maria took the Winchesters.
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Old 2009-05-09, 19:06   Link #243
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Kanon escaped from Maria into the mansion to seek help.
Genji killed him.
Genji returned him to the garden.
Maria was already missing.

Hideyoshi was killed in the parlour.
Only one of the six bodies can be responsible.
And since u said only six bodies remained in the parlour after his death, one body must have left.

Oh.. and Rosa saw Maria's body in the boiler room.


Repeat:

-Krauss/natsuhi did not notice the missing body.

The first twilight is tricky... hmm~ but easy

-All bodies found on the beach were moved by the same person
-Rosa was asleep the entire time
-Rudolph's death was planned
-Nanjo clearly knew who the killer that killed him was
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Old 2009-05-09, 22:39   Link #244
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Recite in Red:
Maria took the Winchesters.

I was a little confused by the post from before.

-Maria took no Winchesters


Sorry Kets n_n;

@Certain_Miracle:

Sorry I thought both were conjoined XD Yes your theory is right.
-Krauss stood behind to watch over Shannon and Kanon's corpses while Genji went to get Gohda; Natsuhi and Rosa immediately went to the children and told them the news.

-Natsuhi just talked to the servants about the schedule change.
-I refuse the request to reconstruct Rudolph's death: I was sleeping during that time so even I have no idea what happened. However, from what I can see I guess the culprit was afraid moving his body would wake everyone.
-Same for Kyrie. Even I need my beauty sleep.
-Kumasawa and Gohda didn't have a conversation before Shannon came in.

-Kinzo and Nanjo did not gamble during their match

Your theory is correct.

-At least one person left the guest house between 9:00pm October 4th and 6:00am October 5th.


As for your second theory...




...All I can say is about time.

-Maria did not kill Kanon!

(this is the part when I say: And so the plot thickens)

@hodil:

Your first theory is wrong.

Second theory...wtf.

-Only five bodies were in the parlor when Hideyoshi died
-These bodies are Kumasawa's, Rudolph's, Eva's, Kyrie's and Nanjo's.
-They only brought five bodies into the parlor after the 1st Twilight.


When did I say there were six bodies after his death :U?

Third theory is wrong.

-All bodies on the beach were moved by the same person.


Rosa was asleep the entire time
Rudolph's death was planned
Nanjo clearly knew who the killer that killed him was
I refuse to repeat these three.
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Old 2009-05-09, 22:44   Link #245
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Recite in Red:
There are non-Winchester guns on Rokkenjima.
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Old 2009-05-09, 22:54   Link #246
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Uuuu~ tricked meee

-Only five bodies were in the parlor when Hideyoshi died
-These bodies are Kumasawa's, Rudolph's, Eva's, Kyrie's and Nanjo's.


Well.. Five bodies were in the parlour when Hideyoshi died.. means Hideyoshi became a body =.= And i Thought there were 5 bodies..

Sooo... The correct recital should be:

Only six bodies were in the parlor when Hideyoshi died

Oh and btw...

Kannon died in an accident.
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Old 2009-05-09, 23:04   Link #247
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Since Rosa finds Krauss at the Boiler room dead, and Gohda is the 6th Twilight, Krauss is the 7th Twilight.
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Old 2009-05-09, 23:25   Link #248
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There are non-Winchester guns on Rokkenjima
I refuse to repeat this.

Well:

-AFTER Hideyoshi died there were six bodies in the parlor
-The bodies are Rudolph, Kumasawa, Kyrie, Nanjo, Eva and Hideyoshi

And your theory is wrong.


@Kets:

Correct.

Krauss is the 7th Twilight.
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Old 2009-05-09, 23:26   Link #249
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In our defense, you said Maria is the 2nd twilight killer... not a 2nd twilight killer... lol

Ah the difficulty in explaining why Rudolph wassn't moved but Kyrie was. Witches don't sleep! Because you knew the bodies of the 1st twilight were moved using a cart, you were awake at that time! Rudolph and Kyrie's death is important to solve the 1st twilight! Although I don't know where to go after that

Your red statement leaves out one important part. Can I confirm? Repeat in red!
-A 1st twilight victim killed Genji.

Given how easily you brushed off Natsuhi's conversation with the servants...The schedule change was coincidence. It was not planned.

Are you sure Kuwasama and Gohda didn't have a conversation?
“Kumasawa-san,” Shannon hummed into the kitchen, where Kumasawa and Gohda were talking amongst themselves.
Confirm in red:
-That conversation mentioned above is of no significance to the story.

Also repeat in red:
-Maria's first kill was Shannon. (This does not imply more kills)
-Maria did not participate in 1st Twilight.
-Shannon did not participate in the 1st Twilight.
-The person who left the guesthouse during ~9PM October 4 to ~6AM October 5 was involved in the 1st Twilight!
-Two separate groups (a group can be an individual) acting individually (at least initially) performed the 1st twilight.
-Rudolph did not kill Kyrie.
-Kyrie did not kill Rudolph.
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Old 2009-05-09, 23:40   Link #250
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WELL I JUST - Okay fine.

-I was awake at the 1st twilight.

But I'm still not reconstructing their deaths unless I get a good reason :P However, their death is pretty important I'll give you that.

A 1st Twilight victim killed Genji
Not repeating this.

You are missing a VERY important factor concerning the death of Genji. Until this element is recognized and understood then Genji's death cannot be solved.

As for the schedule change - not entirely coincidental.

-Originally the schedule called for Genji and Gohda in the mansion, while Kumasawa, Shannon and Kanon were in the guest hotel. However, Natsuhi revised the schedule so that Kanon would be in the mansion because she didn't want him near Jessica.

-Kumasawa and Gohda's conversation has no significance to this story.
-Maria's first kill was Shannon
-Maria did not participate in the 1st twilight
-Shannon did not participate in the 1st twilight
-Rudolph and Kyrie did not kill each other


The person who left the guesthouse during ~9PM October 4 to ~6AM October 5 was involved in the 1st Twilight!
Two separate groups (a group can be an individual) acting individually (at least initially) performed the 1st twilight.
Not repeating these two!
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Old 2009-05-09, 23:43   Link #251
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Repeaaat~
-Kanon died in the garden.
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Old 2009-05-09, 23:43   Link #252
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-Kanon died in the garden
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Old 2009-05-09, 23:48   Link #253
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The wind blew and picked up Kanon and pushed him into a spiked fence, piercing his medulla oblongata.

Kanon struggled with Ma-rear Maria.


Oh nvm.. i saw a red truth for it... okay.

Maria did not kill Kanon.

Kanon commited suicide!
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Old 2009-05-09, 23:56   Link #254
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The wind blew and picked up Kanon and pushed him into a spiked fence, piercing his medulla oblongata.

Kanon struggled with Ma-rear Maria.
lol yes

I already stated that they struggled in red~
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Old 2009-05-10, 00:00   Link #255
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Repeat in red:
-George and Shannon did not leave the guest house during during ~9PM October 4 to ~6AM October 5
-Kuwasama was murdured to obtain her cart.
-The servant schedule change was not made in preparation for the 1st Twilight.
-The only one to have the key to Kinzo's room is Genji.
-Nanjo and Kinzo were killed in quick succession. When Nanjo left Kinzo's room, the killers used the temporarily open door to enter and kill Kinzo.

While I think Natsuhi's tension with Kanon is important, I just can't see how it fits in right now.

As Jessica, Battler, George, Maria, and Shannon were not related to the 1st Twilight, Genji was the one to leave the guest house during during ~9PM October 4 to ~6AM October 5.

And well, Someone other than Maria killed Kanon.

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Old 2009-05-10, 00:07   Link #256
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-The servant schedule change was not made in preparation for the 1st Twilight.
-The only one to have the key to Kinzo's room is Genji.
-When Nanjo left Kinzo's room, the killers used the temporarily open door to enter and kill Kinzo.


George and Shannon did not leave the guest house during during ~9PM October 4 to ~6AM October 5
Kuwasama was murdured to obtain her cart.
I refuse to repeat these two.

Both theories are wrong.

@hodil:

Quoting a page back:

Quote:
-Kanon did not commit suicide on the 2nd Twilight.
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Old 2009-05-10, 00:08   Link #257
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whaaat.... how on earth...

This is it...

-There were four people in the rose garden!
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Old 2009-05-10, 00:10   Link #258
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whaaat.... how on earth...

This is it...

-There were four people in the rose garden!
No, no, no.

-During the 2nd twilight the only people in the rose garden were Shannon, Kanon and Maria.

Obviously you must accept the truth: I killed Kanon using magic~~~
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Old 2009-05-10, 00:13   Link #259
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-No asteroids/comets fell onto Rokkenjima from 4th october to 5th october

-No animals nor robotic life forms were used in this game (which means no chimpanzees using a bow and arrow)

If maria did not kill Kanon. And Shannon was killed by Maria. And Kanon did not kill himself...

*turn the chessboard*

The witch would definately want to limit our thinking, so by killing Shannon first, we would think that only Kanon and Maria remained... but if Shannon didnt die...

Hey witch..
-Shannon died immediately from the projectile i saw the red truth..
-The projectile in Shannon's abdomen was removed
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Old 2009-05-10, 00:15   Link #260
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Impossible... I know we're supposed to be missing information but it looks impossible lol...unless it's Kanon died from disease or Kanon was killed by a meteor.. Actually Kanon might have died from disease and that was why he refused to be with Jessica.

Because Kinzo was targeted specifically, the motivation for the 1st twilight is MONEY!
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