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View Poll Results: Eden of the East - Episode 5 Rating
Perfect 10 28 34.15%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 25 30.49%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 16 19.51%
7 out of 10 : Good 8 9.76%
6 out of 10 : Average 4 4.88%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 0 0%
4 out of 10 : Poor 0 0%
3 out of 10 : Bad 0 0%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 0 0%
1 out of 10 : Painful 1 1.22%
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Old 2009-05-09, 08:11   Link #61
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To be perfectly blunt I didn't particularly enjoyed that episode. I consider it the weakest so far.
There's just too much Saki, too much romance and not enough mistery for me. I wasn't particularly fond of the balance between them.
Some of you may dislike me for that, but I actually consider this whole thing with Saki the least interesting aspect of the show. I dunno maybe I just find her too plain, bit too illogical and uninteresting, plus a bit of a hypocrite too. It's clear she feels guilty to burden her sis and bro in law, but than why the hell she flew to the US?
According to that heartbroken guy, there is a mutual friend who didn't travelled at all, which means it was an optional excursion, so why did Saki further burdened their sister by flying halfway across the globe? I made some calculations by the way, only the flight cost about a bit more than 2 weeks worth of wage in Tokyo area's minimal wage (I have no clue what's the average earnings there). So yeah sure, "You guys are hurting me with your kindness, but can I borrow a month worth of income to go to the US?".
The other thing is her Job interview. If she didn't attended the first one and she didn't even apologized and cancelled it politely few hours before, how did she expected they gonna accept her? It's not a rocket science to expect they might not be happy about how she ignored the first interview, yet she doesn't even notice the small subtle hints the manager says, that he isn't satisfied (they were kinda obvious to be honest).
Oh yeah, it's interesting to note she doesn't even care about the loser guy, as much to call him and lie something she's not gonna make it to the dinner she agreed to go with him. (She wasn't enthusiastic in the first place, but the guy would deserve at least a message with some apology, after the supposed "friendship" they had).
For me the whole romance aspect lost it's creditability when they flew back to Japan from US (so they already spent ~20 hours together), yet Akira didn't even told her he is amnesiac. Than did they even speak with each other? Because he didn't know about Careless monday neither, nor did they speak about films, and it's evident they didn't talk about personal infos either.
Than we see the "love triangle"-s third edge, the heartbroken guy. I don't know why did he had to attend the dinner, if he didn't paid in advance (and he only made the reservation that day). In my eyes he behaves a bit irrational too, I know he is probably in love, but he still didn't notice, Saki doesn't really care about her the way he'd like to (of course I'm not blaming him, I believe it happens with everyone). I feel like he's most probably not directly related to the mistery aspect, and his person is just a some sort of "cliche", the obligatory "love triangle side" to the main romance story. Of course it's possible he gonna have some major role later on, but now I would regard him unneeded (of course I'm a bit of jerk )

The only mysterious clue/intrique the episode shown us, is that Juiz might be able to control animals (at least it implies so, even though I can't even imagine how she does it), and that #1 have the option to "delete" purchase history at the selecao screen (near refresh, and the other option). Though it makes me think whether it cost anything to delete something through that option? Because Akira was charged by someone for deleting his 2 month worth of account history.
At least we know the NEET-s are alive, but I wonder why did Akira transported them to Dubai? It's not like it's a cheap place. And I'm sure as hell the arabs aren't so happy to meet 20000 japanese NEETs either.
I wonder about the psycho lady (#11) too. I already complained in the speculation thread about her "method-s", the illogicality why is she "selected", and how come that the Supporter ignores her sick murders, but it makes me wonder how does she know about #1 being the possible Supporter? It's clear she set the phone too, to see the purchases other selecaos making, but it puzzles me she doesn't even keep it silent and just say her thoughts loudly to her whole "team". And they even know about her little guilty pleasure she does at nights, when she dismembers and kills innocents. Gee, I honestly don't know what to think about her, I wonder what is she spending her money besides cleaning up the bodies. I still find it unjustified, that the brain surgeon had to die early with unused money, yet the blue haired girl kills innocents every night and no one is punishing her.
I actually gave this episode a 10. Thought it was the best one.

In all honesty when Saki meant kindness I didn't think she was refferring to money. I thought she was refferring to a complicated relationship.

I'm pretty sure she knew deep down she wasn't going to get it. In fact she admitted that afterwards. She thought to go for it and give it a shot because she was desperate.

Regarding the 20 hour flight, that was really just a plot hole. I don't see why it has to kill the romance.

I think oosughi (sp?) was a great addition to the plot development. People are complaining because of his irrational behaviour. But people can be irrational like that and not realise. Out of the all characters show so far he seemed to me to be the most realistic. That ending was totally unexpected.

And I don't think Juiz can control animals. Those birds must have been carrion-eaters.

That bit where Akira makes the Prime Minister say 'Uncle' was just pure class. Has to be said.
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Old 2009-05-09, 08:26   Link #62
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The Japanese Eden Wiki shows a 605k Yen expense under Kuroha's number (11) for her clean up in this episode, but I don't recall where there was a cell phone shown with that info. Anyone know where it is in episode?
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Old 2009-05-09, 08:38   Link #63
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Wow, 60yen just to make the PM say "Uncle" on TV? Now that's cheap!

Akira took nearly 200,000 just to find Saki, you would have thought Juiz would allocate money more efficiently considering how cheap it was to make the PM do just that.

Mr Outside's probably morally ambiguous in the way he chooses his Selacao candidates in that even a psychopathic woman (named Shiratori Diana Kuroha in the credits) gets chosen.

The mysterious man with the ruby ring on his hand (he's either the Supporter or even Mr Outside himself) seen in episode 1 is also given a name in the credits this episode - Monobe Ooki (at least I think that's how it's pronounced from the kanji). The bespectacled Seleacao that was next to him is another new character introduced.

So that's where Akira sent all those NEETs, to Dubai to build all those artificial islands and fancy spinning skyscrapers. It probably means they weren't killed.

What an ass those interviewers were, not only do they reject Saki in her face, they then proceed to trick her into waiting for nothing in the cafeteria and dump a beef bowl on her like that. If you don't want to welcome her, then show her the f*cking door, instead of showing yourself to be complete assholes.

It'll be most satisfying if Akira can have Juiz teach those dicks a lesson, but it probably won't happen.

Speaking of Akira, he is just coolness personified, first making a careless request to make the PM say "uncle", and then coolly kissing Saki when she's depressed.

All this Selacao conspiracy will soon be closing in on Saki's personal life, as the broken hearted Ohsugi now finds himself as Diana's next victim.
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Old 2009-05-09, 09:07   Link #64
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Well, "Different strokes for different folks" as we all know, (we used to say something like ~"Some like the priest, some like the priest's wife"). I don't really consider the romance aspect so interesting and it just doesn't appeal to me much.

I know she has a complicated relation with her sis and bro in law, but I seem to remember there was a scene somewhere when she said she was bothered by how she burdens them (I might be wrong on that). In my interpretation that means she doesn't like the fact, they are paying for her (the same case seemed to me here in ep5 too).

Well she could have save herself some embarassment, if she reacts the way she knew deep down. It might be explained she is desperate, but why wasn't she desperate enough before?

Yeah, it doesn't kill the romance, but I found it awkward, and I cannot really imagine that whole romance between them happening. Well consider me un-romantic or something .

About Ohsugi. Yeah I mentioned I understand how he behaves illogically -it's no wonder since he's "madly in love"- (though I wouldn't have pointlessly went to the restaurant in his place), but I'm not fond we had to see a love triangle to be honest. As I said, it's possible he has some other role later on, but if his sole act/deed was only to "make" a fancy love-triangle, I'm going to be disappointed (and my pessimistic nature thinks that's possible).

As you can see I voted it as Average, since for me there was nothing particularly outstanding. If that would be the first episode I see in the series, I would regard it as an average romance story sprinkled with some mistery and intrique.
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Oh yeah one other interesting to note: The missiles they carry around wherever #1 is, and curiously enough the TV broadcast thinks it might have been done by the japanese Self Defense Force. I doubt that's a coincidence. But if that's right, than why did #1 possibly done the Careless monday?

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Old 2009-05-09, 10:14   Link #65
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Well, I can't argue against having a different taste or interpretations. I just wanted to share my perspective.

Anyway I enjoyed this Episode. The reason I think it was perfect was simply because i don't see how they coud've made it better. Unlike the 4 previous episodes there weren't any obvious minor plot holes. There was also some good humor (the Prime Ministers approval goes up by 10% XD).

Funnily enough, though, there were no referances to films.
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Am I the only one for whom the greatest appeal of the series is the social commentary that's been creeping in throughout the episodes? The romance is good, the mystery is good, but the social commentary is leading the series towards (I hope) a very good critique when the picture comes to a close.

There's been a lot of serious dialogue involving the social stigmas in Japan and any capitalist society in general. Saki's mentioning of the company she felt was going to take advantage of her really positively surprised me, coming from an anime. I just hope they carry it towards the right direction and don't fall for any of the easy ways out.
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I just hope they carry it towards the right direction and don't fall for any of the easy ways out.
such as? I cant really think of any easy ways out at the moment. The only thing that come to my mind right now is that final scene of fight club when financial buildings are leveled with explosives.
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such as? I cant really think of any easy ways out at the moment. The only thing that come to my mind right now is that final scene of fight club when financial buildings are leveled with explosives.
I wasn't referring to anything in particular, I was talking about the attitude towards society this show is having. The easy way out being a overly conformist and conciliatory ending, which in the end won't change anything.
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Am I the only one for whom the greatest appeal of the series is the social commentary that's been creeping in throughout the episodes? The romance is good, the mystery is good, but the social commentary is leading the series towards (I hope) a very good critique when the picture comes to a close.

There's been a lot of serious dialogue involving the social stigmas in Japan and any capitalist society in general. Saki's mentioning of the company she felt was going to take advantage of her really positively surprised me, coming from an anime. I just hope they carry it towards the right direction and don't fall for any of the easy ways out.
You are thinking the same thing as me, and that would be about the problems of social stigmas and capitalist society. This may very well have a hidden meaning.
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I just hope Oosugi is alright next episode.
I was joyed seeing more chemistry between Saki and Akira, but the oh shi- moment at the end of the episode took the cake.

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Craaazy series! I just watched 4 & 5 so I'm still in awe after the revelations in episode 4.

But in this episode, oh man. That Shiratori is one crazy bitch. I cringed in the beginning with the the dead guy on the chair. What a horrible way to go. I bet she didn't even let him get to the best part before cutting it off.

I still fail to see why AniDB has this anime classified as a josei and not seinen too.
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I loved the kiss! *o*


The end if the episode, however, made me bang my head against the wall repeatedly and pray nothing bad happens.
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Um, there's no freaking way you can compare Saki to Hachi.
You totally underestimate how recklessly stupid Hachi is.
We haven't even seen enough of Saki for her to be deserving of getting compared to likes of Hachi.

Or are you gonna point fingers at every female leads that makes some dumb decisions and go "lol Hachi clone"?
It's like those 2ch people who keeps yapping Yashigani Yashigani at the slightest of animation degration, not realizing just how terrible it has to be to be worthy of being compared to Yashigani.

If this goes on the whole season, with Saki making terrible decisions and sleeping with multiple men, THEN I'll accept that comparison.
Until then, I think you're just forcing archetype to a character that happens to be in your library.
No just ones that react like puppies.

She did stay at a strange guys place overnight and rode off on a motorcyle with said guy. She strung along another guy and have a crush on her sister's husband. Not to mention the whole NY thing. Oh yeah, that full mouth kiss followed by staying at his place.

I guess we won't know until the next ep what the sleeping arrangements were.

Not that there is anything wrong with being a Hachi. You can get good character development from these types.

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And....

Let's talk about that interview.

She gave a boring answer. It was obvious at the end that they weren't going to hire her and then she waits for lunch with them for 1 hour in the cafeteria most likely without calling up to see if they were coming. It's pretty unusual for a job candidate not to be escorted by one of the members of the interview staff to the cafeteria as an interview doesn't end until you leave the building. But our Saki stays in that cafeteria and doesn't get a clue until she overhears the office staff after getting food spilled on her to make her leave.

The office staff did have a point about flights. I was stranded in another city myself over a weekend. I flew standby to get back by Monday.
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She has a crush on her sister's husband, but I don't think she can help that. It's not like she's trying to seduce him.

I also don't believe she 'strung along' another guy. Girls like her probably are too nice to tell him off completely, and lack the resolve to do anything about it. Honestly, Saki's just really indecisive.

Full mouth kiss initiated by Takizawa, not her.

And I don't think they're going to do "it" at his place.


I don't see the connection between Hachi and Saki, except maybe their naivete.
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Wait, when Saki was telling Akira how much she loved her aunt and niece who was the last person she mentioned? At first I thought she was confessing to Akira she was in love with another guy and then he comes up and kisses her.
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Wait, when Saki was telling Akira how much she loved her aunt and niece who was the last person she mentioned? At first I thought she was confessing to Akira she was in love with another guy and then he comes up and kisses her.
No she confesses that she's in love with her brother-in-law of all things. He's prob the one that got her the connection to get the interview in the first place I bet.

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She has a crush on her sister's husband, but I don't think she can help that. It's not like she's trying to seduce him.

I also don't believe she 'strung along' another guy. Girls like her probably are too nice to tell him off completely, and lack the resolve to do anything about it. Honestly, Saki's just really indecisive.

Full mouth kiss initiated by Takizawa, not her.

And I don't think they're going to do "it" at his place.


I don't see the connection between Hachi and Saki, except maybe their naivete.
It's pretty obvious that guy was being strung along. What was it 18 messages on her cell phone? A dinner at an expensive restraurant? I'll take the train with you to your interview and pick you for dinner later? We're just coming in the middle of this little dilemma from her end. Indecisiveness was also a Hachi thing.

Full mouth kisses can be interrupted. It wasn't like she didn't want it. I suppose that offer to stay at his place couldn't be refused either, huh?

So you think Akira is going to sleep on the floor huh? What did he just do to a girl who confessed her love for someone else?
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...Well she could have save herself some embarassment, if she reacts the way she knew deep down. It might be explained she is desperate, but why wasn't she desperate enough before?...Oh yeah one other interesting to note: The missiles they carry around wherever #1 is, and curiously enough the TV broadcast thinks it might have been done by the japanese Self Defense Force. I doubt that's a coincidence. But if that's right, than why did #1 possibly done the Careless monday?
Saki didn't work or move out earlier because she was in college, of course. She told Akira clearly (on the bench by the ferry) that she had offered to go to work but they told her they wanted her to finish college. Which was the right decision. Of course she's embarrassed to be supported. She's a good person.

As for the interview, she was scheduled to be back in time, but the chaos at the airport made it impossible. If that job was the most important thing in the world to her, maybe she would have given up the US trip for it, but it wasn't, so she did it halfway, believing she could do both. Anyway, she's lucky not to be working with such people. As for the trip, also a bit irresponsible, but she and they had probably been looking forward to it for years.

Different strokes, lol. She's my favorite character. But I always like weakness in a character. Perfection and strength are boring. And I don't like judging fiction on moral grounds.

We are getting really strong hints that #1 is the guy who launched the missiles, as representative of a right-wing, Yukio Mishima-like, cabal that wants Japan to shape up. Even the original Akira could have been thinking like that, sending the NEETs off to a Middle Eastern boot camp. But just exactly what they thought the missiles would accomplish is beyond me: maybe they thought people would tear down the government (represented by a Fukuda clone; Fukuda being the previous PM, the old political pro who wanted better relations with China). Or maybe they thought it would convince people to be more disciplined and alert. Not sure.

Blaming Saki for being in love with her brother in law doesn't seem right to me. You can't blame people for loving someone, only for doing something about it. Which she did not do. The worst she did is let it inhibit her love life.

As for Oosugi, he is being consistently painted -- in word, deed, and appearance -- as being just about as uncool as it is possible to be. I can't blame her for being indifferent to him. But if she had refused dinner, it would be an insult she didn't want to give him. And when she had recovered from her devastation -- the feeling that she had got everything in her life wrong -- she did send him a message. It's quite conceivable that she even forgot he was coming, him being such a nonentity and her being so much in shock, as well having agreed fairly absently in the first place. Yeah, not ideal, but understandable.

Saki is no Hachi clone, aohige, but they do share their indecisiveness, feeling of weakness, and romantic natures.

I hope no-one is blaming 22-year-old Saki too much for staying overnight with a guy. The average age of first sexual intercourse in Japan, for both guys and girls (a little earlier for girls) is apparently 17. At this rate, she is hardly as promiscuous as Hachi was in high school.

Yes, the social commentary is beginning to appear, WanderingKinight. I hope I agree with it as it comes out, lol.

I think the reason this show is as popular as it is is because it does so many things pretty well: romance, character and psychology, intrigue, social commentary, violence, even a bit of moe. I mean, it is unusual to have us here all enjoying the show, but with such different opinions and preferences within it. Which is a good thing. It transcends its josei tag. Maybe we can call it josei/seinen. Not bad.

I'm not worried about Oosugi and Diana. There was a better candidate on the other side of the street, also with an umbrella, like a signal for Diana to recognize him.
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Blaming Saki for being in love with her brother in law doesn't seem right to me. You can't blame people for loving someone, only for doing something about it. Which she did not do. The worst she did is let it inhibit her love life.
Yes you can. Because buried in that is the possible fantasy that he's going to leave the sister for her. Now it didn't happened. In fact, the couple is happily married with a daughter which causes her more pain. She should have moved out as soon as she got in college, lived in a dorm and got a sig other or laid. However, she chose to stay in that situation. So in the end, it's still her fault.

The chick is screwed up. She held an one-sided torch and got burned. She also blamed the job for not being more honest with her when jobs don't do that at interviews.
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Yeah, the kid should know better. You don't fall in love with people you're not supposed to. Now, if only that worked out just as well in real life...
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somehow i dont seem to sense much romance between Akira and Saki, even with the kiss and all. she just confessed that she's in love with her brother-in-law!
about poor Oosugi- i wouldn't blame Saki for leading him on; sure she is shown as being indescisive, taking indirect approeach to tell him she is not interested, but the guy doesn't get a hint himself! it was painful to see him stood up for the dinner, but i'm sure at that moment, after all the stuff she get to deal with at the interview, Oosugi was not the first thing on her mind; Akira just happened to meet her first.
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