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View Poll Results: Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody - episode 1 Rating
Perfect 10 157 46.87%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 88 26.27%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 57 17.01%
7 out of 10 : Good 21 6.27%
6 out of 10 : Average 6 1.79%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 1 0.30%
4 out of 10 : Poor 1 0.30%
3 out of 10 : Bad 0 0%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 0 0%
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Old 2009-05-26, 21:26   Link #501
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Isn't that exactly what the Overmind is? An electronic lifeform?
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Old 2009-05-26, 21:32   Link #502
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Isn't that exactly what the Overmind is? An electronic lifeform?
No,
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Old 2009-05-26, 21:33   Link #503
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...We still have no evidence that it can cross dimensions.

Also, I still need to play Xenosaga, maybe.
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Old 2009-05-26, 21:36   Link #504
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...We still have no evidence that it can cross dimensions.

Also, I still need to play Xenosaga, maybe.
The fact that an entity can travel to and fro space-time, existing in an omnipresent state, points that it exists outside of this dimension. And Yuki normally speaks of dimensions and universes, also points that they have the capability to cross dimensions.
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Old 2009-05-26, 21:37   Link #505
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Old 2009-05-26, 21:45   Link #506
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Hmmm I see, my take is a comparison to the entity's form, yours is the entity's intention.

People with K-On avatars and sigs seem to like science fiction alot.

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Old 2009-05-26, 21:49   Link #507
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The fact that an entity can travel to and fro space-time, existing in an omnipresent state, points that it exists outside of this dimension. And Yuki normally speaks of dimensions and universes, also points that they have the capability to cross dimensions.
So it exists in all possibilities.

Hrm. Interesting concept. Must investigate further.
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Old 2009-05-26, 21:49   Link #508
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I don't think Yuki has the power to undo what Haruhi has done. If you remember, at the end of Melancholy, when Kyon and Haruhi were in the Closed Space Universe, Yuki communicated to him that the Data Overmind was upset because it had lost the opportunity to study Haruhi, and thus the opportunity to evolve. If Yuki had had the ability to just snatch Haruhi and Kyon back from the Closed Space Universe, the Data Overmind would have had her do so and put everything back to normal so that the observation could continue.

If it were just up to Yuki, her knowledge that she was still going to be around until at least July 7 may have offered an explanation for not doing anything, but the fact that the Data Overmind (which knows everything she does, and more) is upset because it can't resolve the situation tells you that she couldn't.
Nagato specifically explained the difference between her capabilities and Haruhi's in the first season. Nagato has the ability to manipulate the "data" that makes up reality in order to fulfill an objective, and different levels of manipulation can be more difficult and risky, thus being classified emergency measures (freezing the fluid that makes up space-time to keep Kyon and Mikuru fresh for three years being an example). Haruhi, on the other hand, has the ability to actually produce new data from nothing, inserting it wherever she wants, removing what she wants. Put another way, Yuuki can change things that are, but Haruhi can actually call new things into being or, conversely, obliterate their very existence. In the instance of a Closed Space, Haruhi is calling an entirely new reality into existence, a separate system with its own rules, which does completely surpass the Entity's ability to act. The Entity manipulates data within the universe, but this is an independent mass of data that follows its own rules and is not even part of the universe the Entity exists within; and, since Haruhi can produce new data at will, there is no way to stop her. Even if they eliminate all possible ways for her to get away, she will make a way for herself. It's sort of like playing a strategy game where every time you move a piece, your enemy adds a new piece wherever he wants.
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Old 2009-05-26, 21:51   Link #509
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In other words, she's God.

As I have said many times, people seem to forget exactly what that means.
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Old 2009-05-26, 22:11   Link #510
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If you are to believe Itsuki, that's only a theory some people from his organization came up. And he doesn't even agree with it.
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Old 2009-05-26, 22:18   Link #511
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If you are to believe Itsuki, that's only a theory some people from his organization came up. And he doesn't even agree with it.
"God" in that she's omnipotent, not that she created everything.

Everything she's ever done has effectively proven that she controls all aspects of reality within the limits of her imagination (which is near-limitless) and her common sense (which despite existing, is rather lacking.)
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Old 2009-05-26, 23:20   Link #512
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So it exists in all possibilities.

Hrm. Interesting concept. Must investigate further.
Now you're starting to remind of Rorschach. :|
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Old 2009-05-26, 23:36   Link #513
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Now you're starting to remind of Rorschach. :|
Which I'm playing up intentionally.
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Old 2009-05-26, 23:39   Link #514
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Old 2009-05-26, 23:54   Link #515
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In short, Haruhi can do what the IDSE can't; break whatever Law of Conservation of Data that the latter is constrained by.

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Old 2009-05-26, 23:57   Link #516
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As a representative for live-evil, I will tell you first hand. No one did justice to the episode 1 script compared to a.f.k.'s translation.

I encourage you to use us or CoalGG for speedsubs, but if you can wait a few days, watch a.f.k. We harbor no illusions that we can do a better job than them. I'm fairly certain coalguys/gg translator would agree.
Truth be told, I was already prepared to stick with your subs before a.f.k's came out.

I mean, they have been a.f.k for years. I didn't expect them to pop up again all of a sudden.
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Old 2009-05-27, 00:03   Link #517
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"God" in that she's omnipotent, not that she created everything.

Everything she's ever done has effectively proven that she controls all aspects of reality within the limits of her imagination (which is near-limitless) and her common sense (which despite existing, is rather lacking.)
All this back and forth about data vs information, while truly fascinating (not being sarcastic), is giving me a headache so I thought I throw this into the ring for examination: Can a being be considered "omnipotent" if the being doesn't know it's omnipotent? Or can a sentient being be considered all powerful when it believes it has no real power at all?

Also, in regards to her creating everything. Wasn't she in the process of creating (or re-creating) everything in part six?
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Old 2009-05-27, 00:07   Link #518
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All this back and forth about data vs information, while truly fascinating (not being sarcastic), is giving me a headache so I thought I throw this into the ring for examination: Can a being be considered "omnipotent" if the being doesn't know it's omnipotent?
No, probably not.

She'd have to know about her power to use it to its full potential.

What's interesting though, is that unlike the Humanoid Interfaces, she doesn't have to understand how her power works to use it.

She can just think "I want ice cream" or "I want this person to die" and it will happen instantly.

This is why an awakened Haruhi would be completely omnipotent and unstoppable.

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Also, in regards to her creating everything. Wasn't she in the process of creating (or re-creating) everything in part six?
Just because she can reset the universe doesn't mean she was responsible for creating in the first place.

Of course, all of this is just a theory anyway, as Koizumi himself would point out.
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Old 2009-05-27, 00:27   Link #519
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All this back and forth about data vs information, while truly fascinating (not being sarcastic), is giving me a headache so I thought I throw this into the ring for examination: Can a being be considered "omnipotent" if the being doesn't know it's omnipotent? Or can a sentient being be considered all powerful when it believes it has no real power at all?
I believe omnipotence and omniscience are two different things entirely.
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Old 2009-05-27, 00:31   Link #520
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I believe omnipotence and omniscience are two different things entirely.
Of course, if one were omnipotent one could just will oneself into omniscience.

Haruhi: I want to be aware of everything that happens, forever.

Universe: Lol k.
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