Diablo III

[SaintessHeart]

Originally Posted by LoweGear

You offend me by thinking I'm interested in anything but the fem!Barbarian's chest.

The fem!wizard's on the other hand...*vaporized*

I thought you like firm, high tension ones.

[LoweGear]

Not super muscular high tension

*is bashed by female barbarians everywhere*

I'm very glad they give you the ability to change the gender of your character this time round. Then we can pantomine all sorts of machinima scenarios with every playthrough... like "The Seduction of the Enchantress" or "The Templar's Temptation" or "Help Me Doctor!" or-

*is dragged away by men in white into a van*

[Ithekro]

I don't see where it says you have to play Nightmare and Hell modes in multiplayer though. It looks like you can still play in single player all the way through...it will just get harder and harder. Take away the Follower means that you won't have your hand held anymore for Nightmare mode, but you can probably do it the same as before, just without fire support (or a tank, depending on class), where as Hell mode...well it is Hell mode...it is suppose to be hard. Also you've been through the game once already by Nightmare mode...you don't need the Follower's NPC bits anymore I'd guess.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by Ithekro

I don't see where it says you have to play Nightmare and Hell modes in multiplayer though. It looks like you can still play in single player all the way through...it will just get harder and harder. Take away the Follower means that you won't have your hand held anymore for Nightmare mode, but you can probably do it the same as before, just without fire support (or a tank, depending on class), where as Hell mode...well it is Hell mode...it is suppose to be hard. Also you've been through the game once already by Nightmare mode...you don't need the Follower's NPC bits anymore I'd guess.

See, that's what confuses me; I didn't ask for a follower to "hold my hand". I only wanted a follower for the extra customisation opinions I can get to augment my own avatar.

Yet somehow, all the "YES! Now the losers who can't play games wouldn't play any more" win out in being the nosiest.

A follower is FUN to have. I didn't ask to have the difficulty lowered. Never have.


And indeed, Blizzard agreed that followers are fun. Which is why they are making them useless past Normal, as it would otherwise prevent people playing the "glorious multiplayer". I mean, if you can have fun playing alone, why wouldn't you? So the single player should be as unfun as possible so more people would play online.

[synaesthetic]

The focus on "glorious multiplayer" is what makes me classify this game as a pass.

I don't like multiplayer gaming unless the other players are sitting on the couch next to me. If you're going to punish me with multiplayer craps in a single-player game, like no quicksaving and forcing me to do fucking corpse runs when I die, and you don't even have the decency to leave me functional party members beyond normal difficulty?

Blizzard, fuck you. You don't get my money; Torchlight has been more true to Diablo's roots than your stupid pseudo-WoW known as "Diablo" III.

[LoweGear]

Originally Posted by synaesthetic

like no quicksaving

Source please?

[-Sho-]

Wait what , does it means that to finish the game on Normal/Hard/Hell.... we'd better have to play on Multiplayer ?
Torchlight is brillant , i'm waiting for the 2nd while D3 .. for 2012 maybe ?

[Kyero Fox]

never heard of this torchlight... must look it up.

[erneiz_hyde]

SOOOOOOOO

The mercs/followers are available only for normal huh? That's sad, because I used the aura mercs a lot in D2. and I will most likely never touch multiplayer. I hope Blizzard change their minds on limiting their levels. I mean, I really can't fathom why would they limit their usage when they can only be used at SP anyways.

[Ithekro]

It isn't even it beta yet, is it? So things can change...a lot.

[LoweGear]

Originally Posted by -Sho-

Wait what , does it means that to finish the game on Normal/Hard/Hell.... we'd better have to play on Multiplayer ?

No one said that. The intent so far is that if you want an easier time playing the game on higher difficulties, then you'd want to pair up with human, otherwise it'll be challenging. And they explicitly said that you could actually finish Normal difficulty without using Followers.

Originally Posted by erneiz_hyde

SOOOOOOOO

The mercs/followers are available only for normal huh? That's sad, because I used the aura mercs a lot in D2. and I will most likely never touch multiplayer. I hope Blizzard change their minds on limiting their levels. I mean, I really can't fathom why would they limit their usage when they can only be used at SP anyways.

It's not that they're unusable at Nightmare and Hell, just that the game scaling supposedly makes them less useful at higher difficulties. You can still use them, just don't expect them to carry the game for you.

Originally Posted by Ithekro

It isn't even it beta yet, is it? So things can change...a lot.

This. Player feedback from the Beta would definitely affect how the final product looks, so none of the info we have is indicative of what we'll get come retail.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by LoweGear

It's not that they're unusable at Nightmare and Hell, just that the game scaling supposedly makes them less useful at higher difficulties. You can still use them, just don't expect them to carry the game for you.

That's not what Blizzard said. They explicitly said they don't want the Followers to be any good because they don't want anyone to play single player past Normal difficulty. And they also said if anyone find a way to use them anyway, Blizzard would nerf followers again until they are junk.
http://forums.battle.net/thread.html...78054182636#11

Followers will not stay alive easily past Normal, and if they’re not alive you aren’t going to be getting their bonuses. I’m sure people will try to game this, and ideally they will fail. If not we will ensure followers are not part of the end-game MF equation. They are not intended to be, and we will take whatever steps are necessary to ensure they cannot be.

Followers are too good, and since you can't use them in multiplayer Blizzard can't let anyone enjoy them, in fear of eating into the multiplayer population.

[LoweGear]

Until I see a sentence saying that "The Followers feature is disabled in Higher Difficulties", then I can go with my interpretation without trouble. Even if they are rendered completely useless in Nightmare or Hell, they never said you can't still have them following you around. If I will have them used in Nightmare or Hell, then I'll do so for their quips and their dialogue, not their combat power.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by LoweGear

Until I see a sentence saying that "The Followers feature is disabled in Higher Difficulties", then I can go with my interpretation without trouble. Even if they are rendered completely useless in Nightmare or Hell, they never said you can't still have them following you around. If I will have them used in Nightmare or Hell, then I'll do so for their quips and their dialogue, not their combat power.

You can't use them for their equipment, that's what I quoted; Blizzard will make sure the follower is not able to live long enough for any of the equipment he uses or any of his skills to have any effect on the game whatsoever, and they will nerf the game if anyone tries.

You can have a follower past normal, but he would just keep dying every time someone touches him so you get nothing.

In short, this is the first time I find a game company explicitly trying to stop someone from playing the game. Blizzard, not Diablo, is the real obstacle in this game. And you can't beat Blizzard because it is basically God.

[Ithekro]

Just means the Follower is less than useful in Nightmare and Hell difficulties. It does not mean you can't play those difficulties as a single player. It may be harder, but you can do it.

Also Beta may show them they need to change their minds on the matter...it has happened before.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by Ithekro

Just means the Follower is less than useful in Nightmare and Hell difficulties. It does not mean you can't play those difficulties as a single player. It may be harder, but you can do it.

Also Beta may show them they need to change their minds on the matter...it has happened before.

I can do it... But Blizzard has explicitly told me that they don't want me to do it.

The game makers themselves, telling me that I am playing it wrong.

So if the only way I wanted to play Diablo is determined by Blizzard to be wrong, why should I play it at all?

Every post by Blizzard insults me, calling me a weak noob who needs to be educated in the proper joy of multiplayer, and that unless I multiplayer that I am some stupid kid who was never going to play past Normal difficulty anyway. I can tell you if someone tell that to my face, I would punch him.

[Skane]

It does seem like a step backwards. I still remember the jubilation when they improved the Mercenaries in Diablo-II, not once, but multiple times over several patches.

Players love their Mercenaries. To suddenly make them irrelevant at higher level content seems odd.

I hope Blizzard change their minds over this.

Natch.

[Narzia]

http://www.joystiq.com/2011/08/01/di...tion-house-fo/

PvP-Arenas, Achievements, requiring an internet connection to even play and now this. I was already sceptical but this is enough to show clearly in which direction Blizzard is going as a company.
I will not purchase Diablo 3, or any other game made by Blizzard ever again, for that matter. I am utterly disgusted.

You're breaking my heart, Blizzard. I don't know you anymore. But then again I should have seen it coming after WoW.

[Rising Dragon]

I don't see the problem with PvP-arenas, that'd be beneficial in the long run (I have many a memory of trying to run through a campaign on D2 only for some asshole to come in and cause a total party wipe) and achievements are... well, achievements; they affect nothing in the long run so you can ignore them pretty easily.

But this is the first time I've heard of having to be online just to play the single player game, and I can't say I'm very pleased to hear about it.

And this auction thing... kind of a sad way to make money but I guess they learned that from WoW and it's nothing they can really stop; people were doing it on D2 as well.

[Demongod86]

Originally Posted by Narzia

http://www.joystiq.com/2011/08/01/di...tion-house-fo/

PvP-Arenas, Achievements, requiring an internet connection to even play and now this. I was already sceptical but this is enough to show clearly in which direction Blizzard is going as a company.
I will not purchase Diablo 3, or any other game made by Blizzard ever again, for that matter. I am utterly disgusted.

You're breaking my heart, Blizzard. I don't know you anymore. But then again I should have seen it coming after WoW.

LOL...so blizzard has given in to the dark side. So now instead of coming down on all of those botters that force people to make level restricted games in D2, they're actively encouraging them through item sales.

Eventually, a best loot finding class will be found. And then you'll have a bunch of poorly paid Chinese kids doing loot runs 24/7.

As to the idea that you NEED this kind of thing:

In 3 days, I went from no character to having a level 83 sorc with:

Full Tal Rasha's set
Spirit monarch
Magefists
45% MF wartravs
Gheed's fortune
SoJ
28% mf Nagelring

And Andariel's visage, an ethereal insight, and griswold's armor on my merc.

Of course, a map reveal tool (reveals the map but not exact shrines or monster locations like mousepad's maphack once upon a time) helped immensely, but...

Rather than taking an anti-botting, anti-using-a-videogame-as-a-money-tool, blizz dives in headfirst.

So no mercs, real money trade with selling power...

Man if you thought D2 was bad with the botters...