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Old 2012-05-20, 03:04   Link #1761
Chaos2Frozen
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My Wizard's current set-up at level 21:

Left Click: Electrocute
Right Click: Disintegrate

Button 1: Spectral Blade
Button 2: Diamond Skin
Button 3: Frost Nova
Button 4: Hydra

Now that I have my laser beam (Back with Electrocute if I run out of juice) I'm absolutely dominating large packs of slow-normal speed mobs especially in dungeons where they have to funnel themselves into the corridor to get to me but now I'm having some problems dealing with the faster creatures that tend to rush in and surround me at all sides (Laser travels in a straight line =_=; ) . I thought of dropping a Hydra as a distraction only to realize that it doesn't have any health and so the mobs just ignore it -_- Plus I can't tell if it's doing any signification amount of damage...
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Old 2012-05-20, 03:14   Link #1762
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Hydra is not meant for "Burst Damage". Hydra is king of "Fight & Flight". You cast it and kite mobs around it. It allows you to continue dealing damage even when you are running away. You may not appreciate it at lower levels since you can mostly tank mobs with Diamond Skin and blast away, but that tactic won't fly in Hell and beyond (unless you grossly outgear the content).

Additionally, Poison Hydra is a boss killer as its poison pools stack, although I prefer Arcane Hydra as it is more useful against mobs. Poison Hydra is a bit too specific in what it is good against.

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Had a much better time in Hell today. Managed to get a group with a really good Monk tank. Blew through Act-1 with our LOL-DPS from me and a Demon Hunter while the Monk helped us by rounding up the mobs and making them stick to him with his vortex skill. Meteor and Blizzard is such a fun combination.

Currently at 23k health and 3.9k dps. Need to find a better glove and boots.

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Old 2012-05-20, 03:26   Link #1763
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but now I'm having some problems dealing with the faster creatures that tend to rush in and surround me at all sides (Laser travels in a straight line =_=; )
Yeah, that is a problem until you unlock the Chaos Nexus rune, at which point you basically become the overpowered embodiment of beam-spamming death since you automatically hit anyone that tries to get near you.
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Old 2012-05-20, 03:38   Link #1764
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Old 2012-05-20, 03:46   Link #1765
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Hydra is not meant for "Burst Damage". Hydra is king of "Fight & Flight". You cast it and kite mobs around it. It allows you to continue dealing damage even when you are running away. You may not appreciate it at lower levels since you can mostly tank mobs with Diamond Skin and blast away, but that tactic won't fly in Hell and beyond (unless you grossly outgear the content).

Additionally, Poison Hydra is a boss killer as its poison pools stack, although I prefer Arcane Hydra as it is more useful against mobs. Poison Hydra is a bit too specific in what it is good against.
The problem is those mobs are faster than me I thought I could solve the problem once I get Teleport, but then I saw that teleport has a 16 seconds cooldown...

Diamond Skin is really the life saver So much so that I didn't use the other armor

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Yeah, that is a problem until you unlock the Chaos Nexus rune, at which point you basically become the overpowered embodiment of beam-spamming death since you automatically hit anyone that tries to get near you.
Before Hydra I tried Explosion (crap forgotten the name), but it's has a charge up period and the damage doesn't seem to be all the different from Arcane Explosion.

(Frost Nova (shatter) + Arcane Explosion was how I used to do it in earlier levels )

Then I tried Slow Time, but it still wasn't significant enough to put some distance between them and me....
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Old 2012-05-20, 06:40   Link #1766
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hmmmmm. i find wave of force and slow time to be really handy. wave of force is really fun, knock back enemies and returning their projectiles right back at them. before when i had little HP i used diamond skin to tank, now i do it with slow time. it helps to kite too against stronger enemies.
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Old 2012-05-20, 06:46   Link #1767
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Well I finished the game with a Witch Doctor at Level 33.

Holy crap though how the hell would people solo this on Nightmare and inferno?
Well somebody just did it.

Link

Funny how Blizzard games are typically aimed at casual players draws so many hardcore players to it. Then again, it might be just the case that there's just so many people who plays their game.
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Old 2012-05-20, 06:52   Link #1768
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My question was probably missed due to merging post. But how is the RDM(?, the always online for off-line play tactic) in Diablo 3 works?

Do they work like online game, where the game is almost for free, but need to log in a paid account to play the game?
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Old 2012-05-20, 07:27   Link #1769
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The problem is those mobs are faster than me I thought I could solve the problem once I get Teleport, but then I saw that teleport has a 16 seconds cooldown...

Diamond Skin is really the life saver So much so that I didn't use the other armor
If you just level up to level 22, you can get Chain Lightning for Electrocute. This is my default attack now, as you can literally just click anywhere near the enemy and the lightning will arc and hit them... even behind you. When I am surrounded, and I don't have arcane energy left, I tap chain lightning like a mad man. This also helps that the lightning stuns enemies a little bit.
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My question was probably missed due to merging post. But how is the RDM(?, the always online for off-line play tactic) in Diablo 3 works?

Do they work like online game, where the game is almost for free, but need to log in a paid account to play the game?
You pay full price for half a game. The other half of the game is in the Blizzard servers. So you need to be online at all times to play it, even though there is no subscription fee.
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Old 2012-05-20, 07:43   Link #1770
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My question was probably missed due to merging post. But how is the RDM(?, the always online for off-line play tactic) in Diablo 3 works?

Do they work like online game, where the game is almost for free, but need to log in a paid account to play the game?
DRM (digital right management) in D3 is a bit more complicated compare to other games. First of all, you have account authentication upfront followed by having Blizzard server store your character data and handling part of the game codes (things like item creation and map generation).

Hence the latency in singleplayer games.

How much is being done on Blizzard end is still unknown at this point but pretty sure some clever pirates are already sifting through the data packets to construct a server emulator.
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Old 2012-05-20, 08:05   Link #1771
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Maybe remote game engine helps against piracy because it should be harder to mimic game engine code by analyzing network traffic than analyzing game engine code itself.

In the future, it might get even harder, if servers only output video+audio stream and local user outputs input data only like mouse and keyboard commands. That will make botting harder too because bots have to literally see and hear, if they want to get any data from the game environment. It would also be very useful work time for technology, if crackers consume more their time to improve AI vision and hearing compared to easier data analyzing which actually doesn't exist in real world as it does in current online games.
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Old 2012-05-20, 08:17   Link #1772
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Maybe remote game engine helps against piracy because it should be harder to mimic game engine code by analyzing network traffic than analyzing game engine code itself.

In the future, it might get even harder, if servers only output video+audio stream and local user outputs input data only like mouse and keyboard commands. That will make botting harder too because bots have to literally see and hear, if they want to get any data from the game environment. It would also be very useful work time for technology, if crackers consume more their time to improve AI vision and hearing compared to easier data analyzing which actually doesn't exist in real world as it does in current online games.
It just takes longer, there are private servers for MMO games that works under the same principle.

As for cloud gaming, it's already been introduced by OnLive. Main draw of such system is the removal of end user hardware limitation giving such service provider a wider range of audience as long as they have broadband network, TV and an input device (controller/keyboard&mouse).

While it's not very popular yet but it's definitely the way videogame industry to moving towards as internet connectivity/infrastructure continues to improve.
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Old 2012-05-20, 08:28   Link #1773
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Maybe remote game engine helps against piracy because it should be harder to mimic game engine code by analyzing network traffic than analyzing game engine code itself.

In the future, it might get even harder, if servers only output video+audio stream and local user outputs input data only like mouse and keyboard commands. That will make botting harder too because bots have to literally see and hear, if they want to get any data from the game environment. It would also be very useful work time for technology, if crackers consume more their time to improve AI vision and hearing compared to easier data analyzing which actually doesn't exist in real world as it does in current online games.
And yet, you completely forgot about the CONSUMERS.

Here I am, a paying customer, with lag in my single player game. This is really the beginning of the end; when "making the best game you can" is no longer the goal, the game company can only fall. The intentional introduction of crippling lag is BAD. This was the reason multiplayer games traditionally avoid server side functions whenever possible. Every time you put one more thing on the server instead of the customer computer, you add lag. And the worst part is 90% of the lag is avoidable. This is why people are complaining; low speed internet that was perfectly functional for every other online game, is inadequate for DIII.

(EDIT: Server's down. Now I can't even play my single player game.)
(Double Edit: Just found out that Australians are suppose to play on the Americas server. So does that mean I have to re-roll my character? I guess if it means a little less lag...)
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Old 2012-05-20, 08:49   Link #1774
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i dont think D3 uses alot of bandwidth. i have max 180 kbps DL, connecting from SEA to US with 300 ms ping average. sometimes it goes near 400 but rarely more. and that's with someone streaming vids, with my other games like SC2 and tribes:ascend, i already lag with 2000+ ping. but not with D3.
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Old 2012-05-20, 08:52   Link #1775
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If people want offline version from Diablo III, boycotting the game and letting Blizzard know about it, could do something, if there is enough people who do that. Blizzard is doing business and if people complain, but still bring their money, Blizzard can pretty freely do whatever they want. They might do offline version some day or not.

Offline version would be nice, but I can see the little benefits against duping, bots, hacks, piracy, etc. with online version. They could design separated offline game engine which works technically different way, but for the gamers it is still same. I don't know, if it makes much difference.

Pretty much every similar online game suffers from long downtimes during the release and some time after that. Maybe these things are just so complex, you can't do everything right first time.
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Old 2012-05-20, 08:58   Link #1776
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yeah but for them to create an offline version, they would need to give everyone their own servers. meaning what blizz is hiding in their HQ, they will need to allow everyone to DL to their own PCs to make offline available.

the problem is when that is done, it is very easy now to create private servers, all people need to do is just connect to some other servers and you have successfully pirated D3.

on the other hand if they make "another version", then that's not D3 anymore. its a different game. they would need to change like everything so that the downloadable server cant be used against the online server.
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Old 2012-05-20, 10:00   Link #1777
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Eu severs are down , really want to continue on my witch doctor farming gear for Inferno. Sort it out blizzard
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Old 2012-05-20, 10:18   Link #1778
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The people complaining about difficulty when they're not even through NM are probably the same folks who complained the heroic instances in Cataclysm were too hard.

Hint: it was not.
Difficulty is relative. Everything is hard when you're not used to it.
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Old 2012-05-20, 10:58   Link #1779
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yeah but for them to create an offline version, they would need to give everyone their own servers. meaning what blizz is hiding in their HQ, they will need to allow everyone to DL to their own PCs to make offline available.

the problem is when that is done, it is very easy now to create private servers, all people need to do is just connect to some other servers and you have successfully pirated D3.

on the other hand if they make "another version", then that's not D3 anymore. its a different game. they would need to change like everything so that the downloadable server cant be used against the online server.
You make it sound like Diablo 1 and 2 doesn't exist. Or that somehow private servers was a crime. You just described how Blizzard made their money before WoW. Last I checked, Blizzard didn't go bankrupt because they sold offline single player games.
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Old 2012-05-20, 12:31   Link #1780
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DRM (digital right management) in D3 is a bit more complicated compare to other games. First of all, you have account authentication upfront followed by having Blizzard server store your character data and handling part of the game codes (things like item creation and map generation).

Hence the latency in singleplayer games.

How much is being done on Blizzard end is still unknown at this point but pretty sure some clever pirates are already sifting through the data packets to construct a server emulator.
So can you go to your friend house, and then log into your character and play there? You know, like online gaming?
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