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Old 2011-10-27, 04:25   Link #5061
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MD84@Of course for now we can only assume that she said the true.
But seeing how it went out of her way to be sure that Zen would accept the deal,I think that she said the true.

darthfanta@ Zen not has sworn to destroy the flank plan after defeating medaka.
Zen warned Najimi that he might be the next to destroy the flank plan because, after beating medaka the flank plan would be useless for him.
And Zen also said that she probably has already thought about this possibility.
Zen also said that he would think about this after he saw her said ....or something like that.
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Old 2011-10-27, 04:28   Link #5062
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Nobody understands Medaka. Zenkichi said he did more than anyone else at the beginning of the manga. He inferred that no-one had tried to understand her much later on.
....Actually, I don't think Zenkichi has ever admitted to understanding her. I'm pretty sure that it was Medaka who claimed that he understood her better than anyone (which I suppose really isn't saying much)

I really think she's just been trying to convince herself that it's true

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Old 2011-10-27, 04:31   Link #5063
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^Indeed was Medaka who say that she and Zen understand eachother better than anyone else.
Zen never say something like that , from what I remember when she was again Kumagawa Zen thought that he(Zen) don't understand her.
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Old 2011-10-27, 05:08   Link #5064
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While Zenkichi isn't becoming evil, he is doing exactly what an evil person wants him to do, and that rarely works out well in the long run. It's understandable -- love does make people do stupid and crazy things in real life too.
So you refuse someone's assistance just because that somebody is evil? As far as I can see it, as long as that assistance does not involve the violation of the rights of another individual, then it's acceptable. And what's more, Zen's acquiescence is merely an alliance of convenience. We don't know how things will play out, but Zen's definitely going to destroy the Flask Plan after he's through with it. If he suggested it, then he's bound to carry it out.
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Old 2011-10-27, 06:00   Link #5065
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So you refuse someone's assistance just because that somebody is evil?
Unless I were truly desperate, if that someone really was capital E Evil, I'd turn around and run away as fast as I could.

Zenkichi knows better than anyone that Ajimu is twisted. He knows Ajimu thinks all humans are garbage. Centuries-old monsters with no real concern for humans don't just offer deals out of the goodness of their hearts. Normally he probably would refuse her offer without any hesitation.

Ultimately, Zenkichi is stuck between a rock and a hard place. He can give up on Medaka forever, or accept Ajimu's offer and become Medaka's treasured enemy. Ajimu even stacked the deck further by telling him she would deny him the chance to take a third option. And of course, unrequited love and despair are wrecking havoc on his judgement.

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Old 2011-10-27, 10:27   Link #5066
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Just ooc, why is everyone assuming ajimu is evil? She hasn't done anything really evil and to be fair, Kumagawa's done worst than her so far. We all assume she's going to be the big bad but what if she turns out like munataka, the assassin who never killed anyone?
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Old 2011-10-27, 10:38   Link #5067
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Just ooc, why is everyone assuming ajimu is evil? She hasn't done anything really evil and to be fair, Kumagawa's done worst than her so far. We all assume she's going to be the big bad but what if she turns out like munataka, the assassin who never killed anyone?
Being willing to use students of the school as your own guinea pigs for experimental purposes is pretty evil. That's not what a school stands for... it serves to guide the new generation towards their future based on their own hard work. (Najimi's plans contradict this)
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Old 2011-10-27, 11:11   Link #5068
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Just ooc, why is everyone assuming ajimu is evil? She hasn't done anything really evil and to be fair, Kumagawa's done worst than her so far. We all assume she's going to be the big bad but what if she turns out like munataka, the assassin who never killed anyone?
The only reason she hasn't done anything really viscerally awful is because Kumagawa's Bookmakers (the giant screws on her body) have partially sealed her off from reality. They're currently weakening too.

At one point, Zenkichi used "Parasite Eyes" to see the world the way Ajimu saw it. What he saw was enough to convince him that she was evil.

And as already mentioned, she is the mastermind behind the Flask Plan. The Plan that uses students as guinea pigs in an attempt to render human effort meaningless.
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Old 2011-10-27, 11:26   Link #5069
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so basically, there's no real evidence she's evil with a capital E and not just a well-intentioned extremist
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Old 2011-10-27, 11:38   Link #5070
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so basically, there's no real evidence she's evil with a capital E and not just a well-intentioned extremist
oh wow. Try reading the explantion in c.27 what will happen with the students who get dragged into the flask plan and then bother again. Anyone willing to allow that is evil with the capital E in my opinion.
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Old 2011-10-27, 12:01   Link #5071
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oh wow. Try reading the explantion in c.27 what will happen with the students who get dragged into the flask plan and then bother again. Anyone willing to allow that is evil with the capital E in my opinion.
I understand What do you mean and agree on This. (Ch 27) The Problem is... That she really the one to a Permit something like that? I would rather don't do it, but... I do the devil's advocate.
What we know is that Najimi is the originator of the plan but she was already sealed during that time(ch 27), so we do not know if the flank plan that we know is the one that Najimi thought or is Hadsone's grandfather thought on the flank plan .
Seriously we need more information to really understand what Najimi have in mind, after all, in order to reduce the casuality from the flank plan ,Najimi give one of her anormality to Ako .
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Old 2011-10-27, 12:10   Link #5072
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I understand What do you mean and agree on This. (Ch 27) The Problem is... That she really the one to a Permit something like that? I would rather don't do it, but... I do the devil's advocate.
What we know is that Najimi is the originator of the plan but she was already sealed during that time(ch 27), so we do not know if the flank plan that we know is the one that Najimi thought or is Hadsone's grandfather thought on the flank plan .
Seriously we need more information to really understand what Najimi have in mind, after all, in order to reduce the casuality from the flank plan ,Najimi give one of her anormality to Ako .
Najimi came up with the Flask Plan. Also when she told Zen that no other students would be used if he accepts participating, that alone already implies that she approves of using students, whether she's sealed or not.
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Old 2011-10-27, 12:22   Link #5073
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cause we should believe everything that comes out of ajimus mouth and she never says anything just to mess with people
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Old 2011-10-27, 12:38   Link #5074
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Najimi came up with the Flask Plan. Also when she told Zen that no other students would be used if he accepts participating, that alone already implies that she approves of using students, whether she's sealed or not.
I do not know, I understand what you mean, but to me it seem that she said like that ,to push Zen even more to accept her deal.
I could be wrong though
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Old 2011-10-27, 12:39   Link #5075
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cause we should believe everything that comes out of ajimus mouth and she never says anything just to mess with people
XD it's usually evil people that have that sort of personality anyways; tricking and messing with people that is. she likes to use people to do what she wants them to do, bends them to her will basically, while she doesn't do anything herself. so if you really want to consider her 'good', i guess that's for you to decide. imo though, Ajimu is a very twisted and deceiving person and definitely 'evil' in my book
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Old 2011-10-27, 13:01   Link #5076
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....Actually, I don't think Zenkichi has ever admitted to understanding her. I'm pretty sure that it was Medaka who claimed that he understood her better than anyone (which I suppose really isn't saying much)

I really think she's just been trying to convince herself that it's true
He actually says that he is the person that understands her best in the first chapter.

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/medaka...1/c001/27.html



Medaka says the same about him in the same chapter.

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/medaka...1/c001/53.html
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Old 2011-10-27, 13:32   Link #5077
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Old 2011-10-27, 13:43   Link #5078
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Old 2011-10-27, 14:12   Link #5079
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The second pic, I lol'd

Also, no brackets?
Yeah, he's being honest there.
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