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Old 2011-11-19, 23:20   Link #5801
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Naruto knows henge no jutsu, shunshin no jutsu, summoning no jutsu, shadow shuriken techniques, rasengan, sage mode, and kyubi mode.

It is still more than one or three techniques that Ajumu don't wants for main character.
Hmmm...

Henge no jutsu is a basic technique taught to all students.....

If you're going to list every single technique the character has performed, then you're obviously going to end up with a lot. And since when is Ajimu The authority on main characters? It fits in Medaka Box, but it's not always applicable to other stories

Medaka herself has had several modes. The fact is, Naruto doesn't have that many techniques....and why should he? He's learning to use each technique to the fullest and to refine them.
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Old 2011-11-20, 01:25   Link #5802
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Chapter 122

"Even though I was pretty much deceiving him, he decided to come anyway. Make sure you bully him accordingly, okay?" Ajimu, I love you so much. You always give me such wonderful lines to remember you by. By the time its all said and done, she is probably going down as one of my favorite final villains.

Ah man, really made me enjoy Medaka's character. Loved that conversation and interaction she and Akune had with each other. Now that Medaka has lost or is about to lose to Kamome hopefully it stops all of the "Medaka never loses" chants that were never true. She has a high win-to-loss ratio but that doesn't mean she never loses at things. It reminds me of when people used that as a criticism against Luffy in One Piece saying he never lost...even though he lost to Crocodile twice and had lost to Aokiji before yet people kept ignorantly saying it after those events.

Anyway, the explanation for Kumagawa being able to reproduce a weaker version of All-Fiction is fine with me. I'm glad she specifically stated and re-confirmed that it was Hundred Gauntlets she took and that All-Fiction was something that he created himself. Next point of interest she said was that Akune was part of the student council in middle school. He was Kumagawa's right hand man back then so I guess it shouldn't be a surprise but I think this was the first time this was stated. Next is that they all underestimated Akune's development. He would have been a good ally for Medaka but the fact that none of them foresaw him going to their side is interesting. That is at least twice now she has been taken off guard by the actions of others.

Medaka's council is developing into the way she seems to have been envisioning it. It reminds me of earlier on when she said that the original three(Zenkichi, Akune, and Kikaijima) all were too attached to her. And that was all the way back in chapter 15 so Nishio has clearly remembered that aspect of her character where she is getting the satisfaction out of their actions being independent of her. It seems the student council is a lot closer to its idealized form now than it has ever been. And only gets closer as this fight draws near and Ajimu keeps plotting.

Chapter 123

I'm curious about how many modes Medaka is going to tinker with. She seems to love experimenting with her abilities so I'm curious about what her next one will do. She seems to be trying to master her abnormality in her own way. As for Kumagawa, his shinsengumi formation really is suitable for his personality. He needs to remember that Medaka has beaten the snot out of multiple people at once before although they were the equivalent of mooks. Plus, Zenkichi has too many people on his side to where he isn't going to be able to have him outnumbered easily.

Hanten is basically a factory for producing skills huh? Never would have guessed that was his ability. Though I am shocked such a small percentage of Ajimu's are ones that he made but that is probably a lot better for her. If all of her power came from him that would be a red flag. Zenkichi will probably only stick to one skill and will likely use his knowledge of Medaka to think of the best counter to her. But Ajimu's reaction to his choice should make things hilarious when he reveals it.
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Old 2011-11-20, 02:05   Link #5803
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If it was so similar to bookmaker why didn't he make all fiction with it originally? Use some sense. i mean this has so many aspects that put it in a view of an asspull I find it hard to think otherwise. There's no way in hell smething so convient occurred without contradicting what happened before.
One of the components could have been being dead. Also, apparently bookmaker isn't hundred gauntlets. However, all fiction included, they're all skills. Or, in this case, all cars. Maybe they run at different speeds, describing the difference in the cars, but they are in fact all cars. Or skills in this case. This skill stuff is unknown, too, so maybe it's 9001 times more difficult to make a skill, or it has some cost, or some unknown reason. Sure, it happened at a convenient time, but that doesn't mean it doesn't make sense.

Spoiler for 123:

Anyway, great chapter, dying for the next one.
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Old 2011-11-20, 02:43   Link #5804
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Damn....i`m really curious to know what skill did Zen request for that made all the people in the room stunned when hearing it.

Its kind of hard to decide on one skill that can overpower Medaka ridiculous abnormality which is stealing other people abnormality and perfecting it.
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Old 2011-11-20, 02:59   Link #5805
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I have to say this every chapter, but I love this manga, and I love Kumagawa. The last fight wasn't ever really a full battle just a quick skirmish and enjoyed that. No real fighting happened this chapter and still loved it. A battle manga that spends more time setting up battles than fighting them and still its awesome.

Kumagawa is boss, I wonder how much All fiction has weakened. Also is anyone else disturbed by the way Medaka thinks? I like her and all but damn this chapter woke me up. She is happy being alone, she is happy that the student council is divided against her, she is happy when she is fighting. With that kinda talk I can see why Kumagawa loves her, she sounds like a minus sometimes.
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Old 2011-11-20, 03:01   Link #5806
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Do you think its possible that he doesn't want a skill or ability at all?
Seems more Zen's style than some random skill
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Old 2011-11-20, 03:18   Link #5807
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Can anyone take a guess to what Hundred gauntlet itself actually does before it was modified? Cause if Kumagawa has leftover of that ability couldn't he pull out another minus later on.
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Old 2011-11-20, 03:18   Link #5808
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Naruto doesn't know shunshin, he's just really freaking fast in Kyuubi mode. Sage mode and Kyuubi mode aren't techniques but power-ups that allow Naruto to tap into massive sources of chakra. Shadow Shuriken is just an extension of his duplication techniques. Henge is one of the most basic techniques ninjas in the Naruto-verse know, and he hasn't used it for a while now anyway.

Naruto's techniques boil down to taking advantage of the massive chakra sources available to him to use summoning, rasengan, and duplication to their fullest. Three techniques in all.
Naruto used Shadow Shuriken technique (FRS with FRS) on God Realm. It is nothing to do with duplication techniques. Henge is a basic technique but Naruto did use it against God Realm. Whether it is a basic technique that everyone knows or not, it is still a skill. You cannot disregard that. Also, I'm pretty sure that Naruto know Shunshin.

Naruto don't have billions of techniques, but he definitely have more than 3 techniques.

My point is, what'wrong for Zenkichi to have more than 3 techniques? Why must Ajimu want Zenkichi to have 1 technique when he can have more?
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Old 2011-11-20, 03:21   Link #5809
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Do you think its possible that he doesn't want a skill or ability at all?
Seems more Zen's style than some random skill
That would be very like him, but his changed a bit, he would not be part of this plan if he still had those type of feelings about it. This is a wild guess super out there, but with the face the girls made, I think he made some skill to control Aijmu or something. lol summoning no Jutsu!

Will we get teased by the author and have to wait till the final fight before we find out? or will we get it next chapter?
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Old 2011-11-20, 03:56   Link #5810
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Naruto used Shadow Shuriken technique (FRS with FRS) on God Realm. It is nothing to do with duplication techniques. Henge is a basic technique but Naruto did use it against God Realm. Whether it is a basic technique that everyone knows or not, it is still a skill. You cannot disregard that. Also, I'm pretty sure that Naruto know Shunshin.

Naruto don't have billions of techniques, but he definitely have more than 3 techniques.

My point is, what'wrong for Zenkichi to have more than 3 techniques? Why must Ajimu want Zenkichi to have 1 technique when he can have more?
Well Nayro exists in a universe which allows you to learn several techniques and abilities by just using Chakra, however his primary and unique ability is the nine-tailed fox, if he did not have that all the abilities he acquired could used by other.

Anyway point of what Aijimu was talking about was how hax he is and unfair in comparison to his opposition. Medaka how has one hax ability an extremely hax ability but still only one. Now if Zenkichi has several hax abilities or even several decently good abilities that are perfect count to Medaka, then that means the fight is extremely unfair from the start and typically in Shounen the story tends to favour the heroes that are generally weaker than the overpowered villans hence the need for ass pulls etc.
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Old 2011-11-20, 04:41   Link #5811
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My point is, what'wrong for Zenkichi to have more than 3 techniques? Why must Ajimu want Zenkichi to have 1 technique when he can have more?
they are not talking about techs, but skills(or in this case plus or minus), it's different
medaka has 1 skill(plus), but using that skill has aquired many techinques(copied from other skills, but she still own only 1 skill)

sometime before it was stated that having a plus or minus cause stress to the personality, so having more plus and/or minus at the same time can make one go crazy, and zen must remains selfconscious
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Old 2011-11-20, 05:00   Link #5812
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Just caught up and wow >.<"

Spoiler for First guess that came to mind about Zen's choice...:


Not sure if anyone mentioned this before in the topic, but my arguments for the theory should add some value to the post (?)

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Old 2011-11-20, 05:10   Link #5813
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Naruto used Shadow Shuriken technique (FRS with FRS) on God Realm. It is nothing to do with duplication techniques. Henge is a basic technique but Naruto did use it against God Realm. Whether it is a basic technique that everyone knows or not, it is still a skill. You cannot disregard that. Also, I'm pretty sure that Naruto know Shunshin.

Naruto don't have billions of techniques, but he definitely have more than 3 techniques.

My point is, what'wrong for Zenkichi to have more than 3 techniques? Why must Ajimu want Zenkichi to have 1 technique when he can have more?
You're taking it way too literally. As you said, Naruto has more than three techniques, but you're concentrating on specifically three techniques. Ajimu was presumably trying to make the point that heroes do not have that many skills, they just utilize them to the fullest.

The luffy example definitely fits. Luffy's skill is being made of rubber, but he has found many different applications for it; augmenting the range of his attacks, increasing power, and greater speed. In Psyren, the main character primarily relies on his Black burst power, but devises several different forms for it.

Ajimu is not the most honest figure either, so limiting Zenkichi's abilities could be very in -character for her
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Old 2011-11-20, 05:19   Link #5814
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Just caught up and wow >.<"

Spoiler for First guess that came to mind about Zen's choice...:


Not sure if anyone mentioned this before in the topic, but my arguments for the theory should add some value to the post (?)
i was thinking the same thing =O but i was limiting it to have effect only on zen
in short an "ability which remove any ability possessed by the owner(except this ability)"
but if you expand it to have effect on anyone that would be very interesting, as it could remove the battle power manga traits from the story, and would be a first step in ajimu total defeat

about turning others in normals to have a fair balanced battle i don't really agree, zen is an expert is being strong using no abilities, someone who just got his/her ability removed would ba at disadvantage, if that ability were to be applied on anyone zen would become probably the strongest
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Old 2011-11-20, 05:28   Link #5815
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Spoiler for 123??:
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Old 2011-11-20, 05:33   Link #5816
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Spoiler for 123??:
It was purposely hidden by the mangaka so it's more of a surprise when he first uses it in battle.
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Old 2011-11-20, 05:36   Link #5817
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about turning others in normals to have a fair balanced battle i don't really agree, zen is an expert is being strong using no abilities, someone who just got his/her ability removed would ba at disadvantage, if that ability were to be applied on anyone zen would become probably the strongest
You can't of course apply it to everyone. But there are a fair number of people without abnormality out there who still could pose a fair balanced challenge like Munakata for example. It varies from each person and how much they relied on their abnormality.

However, you can conclude that making them normal and making them fight with their own strength while not being influenced by some sort of ability is closer to the definition of "fair fight" then having some kid shooting lasers at you from his eyes in a fight.
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Old 2011-11-20, 06:24   Link #5818
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Medaka hasn't quite lost yet.. though making her lose right now would be quite the swerve...

lol @ most of the original "spoilers" being some Zenkichi fanwank, as if Medaka would be praying for Prince Zen to rescue her lol..

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Just like assuming that creating all fiction from another skill does make sense. That is what an asspull is. When there is an absense of logical explanation by the author. Kumagawa has had book maker his entire life until he got a hundred gauntlets. Are you saying that through that time he would have never bothered modifying it to all fiction if he could and only after he lost all fiction something he created, that he realises he could have made with his original ability all along?
Man tone down the Kumagawa hate (Imaishi probably quit Gainax when he found out they weren't going to animate Kumagawa ) and quit drinking kool-aid, it's quite simple.

Original Skill - Bookmaker

Trades - Bookmaker for Hundred Gauntlets

Upgrades - Hundred Gauntlets to All Fiction via extensive DIY renovations.

Trades - Hundred Gauntlets for Bookmaker, keeps all the extra stuff from upgraded All Fiction

Revives - All Fiction but without Hundred Gauntlets it is in a weaker form, uses "cheaper" materials to provide the HG base to All Fiction to make it work.

As for why he didn't change Bookmaker to All Fiction maybe it's because he needed the "blueprints" to do so, and since he had All Fiction before making an inferior version of it was possible. (think of how Doc in Back to The Future when stuck in the wild west made some things equivalent to modern day inventions with older materials)

Drop the car analogy, think of it as building something and the end result was Hundred Gauntlets. Than he vastly improved it to make it All Fiction, the base was gone when he swapped with Ajimu but he still knew how to make it (since he had the blueprints from getting HG in the first place) so now he has a weaker/inferior but still very effective version of All Fiction.

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Old 2011-11-20, 06:33   Link #5819
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By the way, what's Hundred Gauntlet? I can't remember what it does.
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Old 2011-11-20, 06:40   Link #5820
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I don't think she's explained what it could do but you would think it was similar in some manner to All Fiction, lol if Zen asked for Hundred Gauntlets.

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