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Old 2011-11-28, 19:44   Link #6081
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Zen didn't stay down because of medaka.
He knocked himself out
I don't care what he did after Medaka left.

He was beaten to a pulp and couldn't even stand back up on his own...he's only normal after all.

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Old 2011-11-28, 22:06   Link #6082
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i think medaka is getting berzerked by ajumu :

didnt griffith said he has no friends and a real friend should have equall with him
http://www.mangareader.net/medaka-box/115/7 here as you can see medaka does the same thing .

i berserk guts didnt wanted to loose the friendshp he had with griffth but that led griffiths destruction and same thing happening to zenkchi since he didnt wanted to loose medaka .
actually griffith needed guts or maybe he just wanted to own him i dont know but you can see here medaka does the same thing http://www.mangareader.net/medaka-box/118/6

kikajima is just like caska in berserk staying between medaka and zenkichi and hopng thing return to normal http://www.mangareader.net/medaka-box/118/16 but for medaka admitting that is impossible .
http://www.mangareader.net/medaka-box/119/15 here you can see kikajima cant choose which part she needs to choose .

medaka and zenkichis relationship always recembled griffith guts relationship , like when everyone was worshipped griffith like he was a god guts made his dirty work and assasinated prince . medaka also made zenkichi always do the dirty work while she treated so kind to others , zenkchi always played the bad guy role even that was the same when medaka was bullied she saved the bully and made zenkichi bad guy .

medaka is a calculating person like griffith she also made everyone she beat her ally , its like she had a plan for example if she wants to make everyone happy she needs to concuer the world and teach them how to be happy . but zenkichi is different he isnt like medaka he is more like guts , zenkichi wasnt blessed with an ability like medaka so he done everything with his strenght so he is a struggler .

i think ajumus real plan is breaking medaka with loneliness and defeat then use her in flask plan , zenkichi is like a detonator of the bomb called medaka . what do you thnk will happen after medaka left alone and gets beaten by zenkichi , if you really think everything return to normal you are just delusional .

with medakas deffeat real flask plan will start also this manga going in real dark direction like berserk , medaka will probably be super uber last boss and concurer of everything like griffith .
well for zenkichi he will be the struggler who will try to stop medaka , lots of old characters who stayed near zenkichis side will probably die and medaka will be leader of ajumus lot .

thanks for reading my ideas i was trying to solve this mysters then it suddenly flashed in my mind i hope you like my theory .
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Old 2011-11-28, 22:36   Link #6083
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Except the Godhand equivalent Ajimu made a deal with Zenkichi (the supposed Guts equivalent) instead of Medaka (Griffith equivalent).

And I don't even want to think about Kikaijima being a Casca expy, given what happened to Casca in the Eclipse *shudder*.

And while we can debate whether Medaka is inhuman or not, it's pretty hard to see Griffith as anything but a selfish monster at this point.
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Old 2011-11-28, 23:09   Link #6084
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i think kikajma is the only decent heroine material in the series also ajimus deal with zenkichi is just a trap to corner medaka and take her to dark side . with ajimus deal zenkichi maybe can beat medaka but after that i think medaka will make a huge leap and be the one of the strongest character we will see . From the beggining of the series medaka was nothing but a tyrant which doesnt stop till tings go the way she wanted , she just doesnt want to give up and to me it looks like zenkichi doesnt love medaka its just he doesnt know better since medaka bullied zenkichi all the time . to me it looks like medaka made zenkichi prisoner of her ideals since they were children and she systematicly bullied zenkichi , to medaka zenkichi is a broken machine she needs to fix sometiomes thats how low zenkichi in medakas eyes .
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Old 2011-11-28, 23:42   Link #6085
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Hmm.
Thought just crossed my mind. Long shot, but could the "other father" be a shiranui?
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Old 2011-11-28, 23:57   Link #6086
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But then again, the author is Nishi...for all we know Zenkichi asked Hanten for the ability to summon scissors, and you know what that means...
Zen will become a Zerozaki!? lol
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Old 2011-11-29, 12:41   Link #6087
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Hmm.
Thought just crossed my mind. Long shot, but could the "other father" be a shiranui?
Possibly, we know that Shiranui and Medaka have a relationship that goes beyond just being acquaintances through Zenkichi. As they both seem to despise each other to some extent; and I doubt that's just do to jealousy over Zenkichi or somesuch.

The only thing I would say though, is that beyond that there hasn't been much hint of Shiranui in Medaka's early years where a father figure would be particularly important. Would laugh though if Nisio just used "Other father" as some cryptically absurd term for mother.
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Old 2011-11-29, 13:30   Link #6088
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i think it would be cool if zenkichi developed parasite sight like how kumagawa changed hundred gauntlet , for example maybe zenkichi can access other senses of the enemy like hearing or thinking .

i also wonder if zenkichi change places with medaka with his new developed skill , we can also see if medaka has same power in zenkichis body cause medaka calls herself normal so she should do the same even in that circumtances .
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Old 2011-11-29, 13:40   Link #6089
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Possibly, we know that Shiranui and Medaka have a relationship that goes beyond just being acquaintances through Zenkichi. As they both seem to despise each other to some extent; and I doubt that's just do to jealousy over Zenkichi or somesuch.

The only thing I would say though, is that beyond that there hasn't been much hint of Shiranui in Medaka's early years where a father figure would be particularly important. Would laugh though if Nisio just used "Other father" as some cryptically absurd term for mother.
I thought it was stated why Shiranui despises Medaka, which was she just didn't like the way she does things (Shiranui actively screws people over and doesn't have any problem or reason for doing so outside she seems to enjoy it hence why Zen is her only friend) and Medaka doesn't despise Shiranui, and any dislike was probably just due to jealously which wasn't particularily severe hence why she wanted Shiranui to originally be the vice president
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Old 2011-11-29, 18:01   Link #6090
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Lol on the reaction from Najimi in this ch .Now I'm curious to see how Zen and Mukea will deal with her in the dream world.

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Old 2011-11-30, 10:13   Link #6091
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Spoiler for chp 125:

Spoiler for chp 125:

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Old 2011-11-30, 10:19   Link #6092
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Spoiler for chp 125:

Spoiler for chp 125:

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Old 2011-11-30, 10:54   Link #6093
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Hmm things are getting more intresting and medaka is turning a willain , always thought something was weird in medaka cause she made willains her ally . there is also that she always put zenkichi under her control and didnt want him to gain his self . i think medaka sees everything opposite like she hates his brother who dotes him but likes her sister who ignores her , she saves willains and punishes good guys etc... list goes like that .

i think medaka didnt even liked zenkichi or anything like that she just saw him as a threat so she made him stay close to her to awoid danger but ajimu saved zenkichi by sending cutty5 , medaka become unable to surpress her hate for zenkichi . Also if we look carefully everyone medaka took to her side was actually loved zenkichi more then her since if you read series carefully zenkichi don the real work when medaka collected the price .

i also think zenkichi doesnt love medaka but he just doesnt know how to live without her since he was bullied by her since he was 2 = stockholm sendrome . if we look zenkichi we can see he was always opposite of medaka even in the begining of the series zenkichi said he wanted white uniform while medaka wanted black . i will repeat agai zenkichi doenst love medaka but i think there is a chance that medaka always loved him and never get what she wanted from zenkichi .
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Old 2011-11-30, 11:00   Link #6094
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Old 2011-11-30, 11:14   Link #6095
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I thought it was stated why Shiranui despises Medaka, which was she just didn't like the way she does things (Shiranui actively screws people over and doesn't have any problem or reason for doing so outside she seems to enjoy it hence why Zen is her only friend) and Medaka doesn't despise Shiranui, and any dislike was probably just due to jealously which wasn't particularily severe hence why she wanted Shiranui to originally be the vice president
Did they mention why they don't like one another? Can't be bothered look for the chapter at the moment, but I thought Medaka didn't like Shiranui either despite the fact she's supposed to love everyone. Which further cemented the reason Medaka wanted Shiranui to be vice president.
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Old 2011-11-30, 11:33   Link #6096
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Spoiler for ch125:
If i recall correctly when Medaka was little a lot of people tried to analyze her, but everybody that tried to get close to her ended up killing then self out of frustration.

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So basically she didn't kill anybody, but somehow maybe Zen dad or his dad tried to study her and ended killing them self. I think Zen dad had a car accident...... not sure about it, i'm re reading the chapters to see, i'm not totally sure about Zen's dad death.

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Old 2011-11-30, 12:14   Link #6097
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Old 2011-11-30, 12:16   Link #6098
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Hmm things are getting more intresting and medaka is turning a willain , always thought something was weird in medaka cause she made willains her ally . there is also that she always put zenkichi under her control and didnt want him to gain his self . i think medaka sees everything opposite like she hates his brother who dotes him but likes her sister who ignores her , she saves willains and punishes good guys etc... list goes like that .

i think medaka didnt even liked zenkichi or anything like that she just saw him as a threat so she made him stay close to her to awoid danger but ajimu saved zenkichi by sending cutty5 , medaka become unable to surpress her hate for zenkichi . Also if we look carefully everyone medaka took to her side was actually loved zenkichi more then her since if you read series carefully zenkichi don the real work when medaka collected the price .

i also think zenkichi doesnt love medaka but he just doesnt know how to live without her since he was bullied by her since he was 2 = stockholm sendrome . if we look zenkichi we can see he was always opposite of medaka even in the begining of the series zenkichi said he wanted white uniform while medaka wanted black . i will repeat agai zenkichi doenst love medaka but i think there is a chance that medaka always loved him and never get what she wanted from zenkichi .
I think she would make an awesome villain. A villain that never loses.
Also I am sure that Zen loves Medaka 100%.
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Old 2011-11-30, 12:28   Link #6099
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Lol on the reaction from Najimi in this ch .Now I'm curious to see how Zen and Mukea will deal with her in the dream world.
Yeah, about that, ya know how we see that type of training so many manga, the "fight me, I wont teach ya anything, but ya will level up" thing. To me its just the Sensei's insecurity and sense of superiority mixed in. Think Kakashi's bell test, designed for them to fail while showing how awesome he is. Its them saying "hey I'm a boss so know your place" so they feel better about the fact that in a year the will get stomped by Trainee.
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Old 2011-11-30, 12:30   Link #6100
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Chapter after chatper, Medaka is becoming darker.
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