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Old 2012-04-15, 07:49   Link #7921
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Nisio's obviously reacted to the poor ratings for the last arc of Medaka Box, take out the heap of Color Pages this got in the lead up to the manga and this was mostly stuck in the bottom third of the TOC, unlike the Not-Equals Arc where it was in the 5-10 range for 20 weeks straight.
But is it wrong for people to want to see more Zenkichi? Especially after how the last arc ended and the theme of this arc.
Personally I quit Medaka box 100 chapters ago, but thee past 2 days I made an effort and read through those 100 chapters just because I checked the last arc's ending and the start of this one. So basically what brought me back to the manga was Medaka's confession...I'm sure a lot of people also loved that part so it's no surprise that people want to at least see Zenkichi. (Not only that...I personally found the last arc without Zenkichi to be one of the most lacking)
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Old 2012-04-15, 14:08   Link #7922
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I just marathoned the entiere manga over the last few days, and I'm, personally, happy with this line up of characters.

Zenkichi was just... Too boring, and I just couldn't find the motivation to actually like him. The rest of the Student Council? They were awesome, a nice collection of fun and interesting personalities. Zenkichi's just a watered down version of every other stereotypical male protag from Shonen Jump.

tl;dr Zenkichi is the Will Turner, to Kumagawa's Jack Sparrow.
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Old 2012-04-15, 14:14   Link #7923
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I've come to the conclusion that, for the manga to continue in any way, Ajimu is going to have to die. It's kind of impossible to write a compelling story where a character on the hero's side can solve any given situation in literally seconds.

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Zenkichi's just a watered down version of every other stereotypical male protag from Shonen Jump.
You take that back.
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Old 2012-04-15, 14:20   Link #7924
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I've come to the conclusion that, for the manga to continue in any way, Ajimu is going to have to die. It's kind of impossible to write a compelling story where a character on the hero's side can solve any given situation in literally seconds.
Only if she feels like it. Besides, one of her abnormalities is basically Immortality, she can't die.

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Old 2012-04-15, 16:28   Link #7925
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I just marathoned the entiere manga over the last few days, and I'm, personally, happy with this line up of characters.

Zenkichi was just... Too boring, and I just couldn't find the motivation to actually like him. The rest of the Student Council? They were awesome, a nice collection of fun and interesting personalities. Zenkichi's just a watered down version of every other stereotypical male protag from Shonen Jump.

tl;dr Zenkichi is the Will Turner, to Kumagawa's Jack Sparrow.
Count me in as someone who also recently marathoned the manga after seeing it discussed so much due to the anime. I also agree with your assessment on Zenkichi. Actually, I find both Zenkichi and Medaka boring and don't really care for their characters, but the side characters and (ex-)villains really make this an enjoyable read. And the meta-ness of this series is amusing. Though I tend to dislike reading ongoing manga so I'll probably just wait until this new arc is over and marathon it.
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Old 2012-04-16, 04:41   Link #7926
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Different strokes for different folks then, Kumagawa came off to me as stereotypical(like just piling on deadpool and many other annoying traits). He has his role in the series admittedly.

Zenkichi, Akune, Kikaijima; all pretty nice characters who often get neglected. Shiranui is sort of a bearable version of Kumagawa, and Hinokage was pretty awesome.

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Old 2012-04-16, 05:17   Link #7927
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Different strokes for different folks then, Kumagawa came off to me as stereotypical(like just piling on deadpool and many other annoying traits). He has his role in the series admittedly.

Zenkichi, Akune, Kikaijima; all pretty nice characters who often get neglected. Shiranui is sort of a bearable version of Kumagawa, and Hinokage was pretty awesome.
Well yea, everyone has their own opinion, their own favourite characters and such. Couldn't agree more!

It's just that...it feels like Nishio is kinda pulling a Naruto.
Hinata confessed to Naruto and then...well nothing really because no mention of it was made ever again.
Here we have Medaka confessing to Zenkichi and...in the following arc we don't even get to see his face...or even any mention of her loving him...in an arc about Medaka's suitors too.

See my point? :|
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Old 2012-04-16, 05:24   Link #7928
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Old 2012-04-16, 06:03   Link #7929
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To me it does not look like that kiss meant anything to medaka as she used overflowing love, she also said "im falling for you" to mogana when she used overflowing love on her early on
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Old 2012-04-16, 07:23   Link #7930
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Why do you people care about the pairings anymore, the manga's not remotely close to ending and Nisio at this point is trolling you all. Either someone becomes Medaka boyfriend and that continues to the end, (minimal potential trolling which Nisio probably won't do) or shit remain ambigious with a few randoms hints here and their and almosts until the very end. Or she could get with someone and then break up.

Either way it's a pointless discussion don't think about shit too deeply in regards to this manga he's purposefull trolling you and the deeper you go the more the troling increases. Their most probably won't be normal natural progression of a relation in this manga it'll just be a long series of trolls.
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Old 2012-04-16, 07:50   Link #7931
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Different strokes for different folks then, Kumagawa came off to me as stereotypical(like just piling on deadpool and many other annoying traits). He has his role in the series admittedly.

Zenkichi, Akune, Kikaijima; all pretty nice characters who often get neglected. Shiranui is sort of a bearable version of Kumagawa, and Hinokage was pretty awesome.
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Well yea, everyone has their own opinion, their own favourite characters and such. Couldn't agree more!
Not that everyone is capable of remembering this, at all times...

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It's just that...it feels like Nishio is kinda pulling a Naruto.
Hinata confessed to Naruto and then...well nothing really because no mention of it was made ever again. Here we have Medaka confessing to Zenkichi and...in the following arc we don't even get to see his face...or even any mention of her loving him...in an arc about Medaka's suitors too.
I can't believe you're comparing the two of them... Hinata is a relatively unimportant side character, where as Zenkichi is a secondary main character. Their confessions are on entirely different levels.

Well, that said, For all we know, they are dating, and there's just been no mention of it, given that Zenkichi would get his ass handed to him, and probably killed again, in this arc and Medaka loving humans, instead of individuals.

Again, that being said, I think I'll stick to shipping the Titanic, since even though the ship went down, it still one of the most romantic stories around.

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Why do you people care about the pairings anymore
Because apparently, the only thing important in manga these days, is the characters you like together, ending up together.
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Old 2012-04-16, 08:12   Link #7932
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I can't believe you're comparing the two of them... Hinata is a relatively unimportant side character, where as Zenkichi is a secondary main character. Their confessions are on entirely different levels.
regardless of how important each character is, it doesn't change the fact that no mention of their relationship has been made since the confession. The only thing was Medaka telling the others to give her Childhood Friend a message...she's even still referring to Zenkichi as a childhood friend.

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Well, that said, For all we know, they are dating, and there's just been no mention of it, given that Zenkichi would get his ass handed to him, and probably killed again, in this arc and Medaka loving humans, instead of individuals.
Wouldn't have killed Nishio to throw in a word or two indicating their relationship...or at least shown Zenkichi's face. Not even showing his face, to me, is like saying "Yea...you won't be seeing Zenkichi anymore."

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Because apparently, the only thing important in manga these days, is the characters you like together, ending up together.
I personally like to see relationships develop between certain characters, it's one of the ways I enjoy a series.
People look for different things in manga. Some like to focus on the battles, some like to focus on the pairings. It's how we enjoy the manga that counts...and if each person enjoys it a different way then that just proves we're not all just sheep following the shepherd.
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Wouldn't have killed Nishio to throw in a word or two indicating their relationship...or at least shown Zenkichi's face. Not even showing his face, to me, is like saying "Yea...you won't be seeing Zenkichi anymore.
Would it not have? People these days want concrete confirmation on everything these days. Let things flow and reveal themselves at their own pace~
I'm rather sure Nisio hasn't forgotten that Medaka kissed him, and that Zenkichi loves Medaka. It'll probably come up eventually, don't act like it's been completely scrapped.
Just deal with it.
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Would it not have? People these days want concrete confirmation on everything these days. Let things flow and reveal themselves at their own pace~
At the very least don't imply that Zenkichi won't appear anymore like that...but fine, I shall say no more.
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At the very least don't imply that Zenkichi won't appear anymore like that...but fine, I shall say no more.
Convince the people someone will not appear, then make them appear at the most unlikely of times. Shonen cliche 101.

Not sure how devil style will play in all this though, so he might not even show up. Or maybe that's what he wants us to think.
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Old 2012-04-16, 08:23   Link #7936
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regardless of how important each character is, it doesn't change the fact that no mention of their relationship has been made since the confession. The only thing was Medaka telling the others to give her Childhood Friend a message...she's even still referring to Zenkichi as a childhood friend.
Hinata's confession was relatively unimportant, except as an excuse to make Naruto go 6-Tails, where as the kiss between Medaka and Zenkichi could be taken as cementing a relationship, or it could be something different altogether. Medaka doesn't really "get" love between individuals, she loves all of humanity.

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Wouldn't have killed Nishio to throw in a word or two indicating their relationship...or at least shown Zenkichi's face. Not even showing his face, to me, is like saying "Yea...you won't be seeing Zenkichi anymore."
I'm not particularly bothered by the lack of Zenkichi, although I am confused as to why he didn't bother showing his face, unless something's happened to it, he wants to show later. Zenkichi's pretty much done his part, and there's not really anything he could do in this arc, aside from get overshadowed by everyone else.

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I personally like to see relationships develop between certain characters, it's one of the ways I enjoy a series.
People look for different things in manga. Some like to focus on the battles, some like to focus on the pairings. It's how we enjoy the manga that counts...and if each person enjoys it a different way then that just proves we're not all just sheep following the shepherd.
I don't know, but I would really mind following the Commander.(JK) But really, if everybody liked the same characters, and shipped the same pairings, wouldn;t that be just the same as following the shepard? Trying to convince other that their choices are"wrong" seems like a really poor way to advertise freedom of choice.

Unless it's "Your free to choose, as long as you choose the same as us."

But seriously, it's not really a romantic manga, love and dating aren't really central themes, so of course they're not going to show up very often, or be commented on unless necessary.

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Old 2012-04-16, 08:23   Link #7937
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Speaking of which...can Zenkichi even turn off or control Devil Style?
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Speaking of which...can Zenkichi even turn off or control Devil Style?
According to the wiki, it only affects what happens in a battle.
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Hinata's confession was relatively unimportant, except as an excuse to make Naruto go 6-Tails, where as the kiss between Medaka and Zenkichi could be taken as cementing a relationship, or it could be something different altogether. Medaka doesn't really "get" love between individuals, she loves all of humanity.
I don't know...at the time, it taken pretty much as how we took Medaka's confession and kiss to Zenkichi. It didn't help that in Naruto, the title character went completely apesh~t crazy when Pain 'killed' her. And Zen only fights his hardest whenever Medaka is directly involved or will be affected in some way.

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I'm not particularly bothered by the lack of Zenkichi, although I am confused as to why he didn't bother showing his face, unless something's happened to it, he wants to show later. Zenkichi's pretty much done his part, and there's not really anything he could do in this arc, aside from get overshadowed by everyone else.
Again, I just think that Zenkichi's time isn't 'now' for this arc. They are dealing with 6 men who want to end up marrying Medaka in order to become the head of the Kurokami house. You can't possibly think that Zenkichi isn't going to show up in this arc at some time.

Just a lil tangent but: Zenkichi swears he doesn't want to have Medaka-chan cry for any reason and yet...Medaka has only ever really cried whenever he's involved. His battle with Last Carpet and also against Kumagawa, she cried and also when they fought when her mind was altered and even recently when Zenkichi played the harmonica, she cried as well. In reality, the only one who has ever made Medaka cry (that we've seen) has been Zenkichi this entire time.
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I don't know...at the time, it taken pretty much as how we took Medaka's confession and kiss to Kenichi. It didn't help that for Naruto, the title character went completely apesh~t crazy when Pain 'killed' her.
Naruto would have gone Ape Shit over any of his friends being killed, especially since it was added on top of The destruction of the village, and Kakashi's death. The reason it was Hinata, and the reason she had her confession, was because the manga is getting close to the end, and Kishi's having to start cleaning up the loose ends, starting with the least important to the plot.
Ive already said everything I feel needs to be said about Medaka and Zenkichi's kiss., except: Not every manga needs to have a victorious Childhood Friend.

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You can't possibly think that Zenkichi isn't going to show up in this arc at some time.
I can, I do and I hope.
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