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Old 2012-06-15, 22:30   Link #9561
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Lol, I'm beginning to wonder if anyone on this forum likes Medaka x Zen?

Is it wrong of me to agree that Medaka x Zen is not a very good pairing, but for precisely the opposite reason: someone relatively plain like Zenkichi just doesn't fit with a girl as "boss" as Medaka?
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Old 2012-06-15, 22:39   Link #9562
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Did you forget Emukae can control the quickness of the rotting? I'm sorry, now you're just making baseless assumptions that undermine the source material to cover-up for Nishio's non-explanations.

If she did attempt to hit Emukae, she would have gotten a pain inflicted on her, Hito himself acknowledges this. She stated herself the skill doesn't work on her, when if she got close, even if it would be a little, it would work. If it dosen't work, it didn't even hurt her.

Your defense of this blatant non-explanation is irrational. Although, I am waiting to give Nishio a chance to explain this later. Or just accept that he pulled a fast one on us(trolling) again.

He does that.
Regardless of how fast Emukae rots things, it takes some amount of time for it to happen. Kugurugi nailed Zenkichi three times within the space of a single attack from him when he was in Altered God Mode; hitting Emukae and getting out of her range before her rotting aura had any effect on her is entirely possible. Do you even notice that Emukae's primary form of attack people is not even rotting them, but attempting to use her knives for striking them?

First of all, explain how Emukae managed to end up lasting longer than the rest of the Student Council in battle in the first place. If you can't do that, don't talk shit about logical inconsistencies.

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Firstly, calm down. Let's have some decorum, please.

And no. You think the world is separated into plus and Minus dichotomy? There are tons of other categories. Reformed Minus being one of them, which is what Emukae is. She never had any desire to be a plus.

An admiration that came out of the blue, but that's what's hilarious in the first place. This was just another moment in which Nishio likes to emphasize to us Medaka's perfection. I thought it was a coincidence with Naze and Zen, but now I see that he's still riding that train.

Emukae is a reformed Minus, that's what she always wanted to be, not a plus. Don`t degrade her character as if she'd like to become something she is entirely not, please. She even calls herself a minus. Look at Misogi.
The world is fucking separated into a Minus and Plus dichotomy. "Life sucks" == Minus; "Life is worth something" == Plus. It's as simple as fucking that. A (truly) reformed Minus == Plus. Educate yourself and go read chapter 67 again if you think it means something different. There is absolutely no ambiguity.

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Emukae already had this sentiment of using her skill to people happy right after the Treasurer battle. This already happened, this development of her character has already been done.

What happened HERE was a blatant attempt to, again glorify Medaka and fit in Emukae into the `flashback` business by doing what we call forceful character development. That's what the writer does to introduce a plot-point(like Medaka being a wisdom God) at the expense of re-introducing something that had already been settled.

Her feelings of being a minus have already been settled in the Treasurer battle when she decided she would be able to live and became a reformed minus.

Do you understand now? Medaka's appearance was the epitome of redundancy and created a forceful development for Emukae's character which she didn't need, and given her last development, could've easily found that inner strenght in herself and not other people. Not to mention how she want's to become like someone she is not? Not accepting herself for who she truly is and following other people's advice instead of deciding for herself? Something Nishio emphasized on last chapter? Do you actually call that a decent character development? If so, you guys need to read Naruto asap. Never use somebody as a mask for your true self.

I.e Cutting hair.

No need to even mention how she went back on her words last chapter and the words she gave to Zenbkichi by completely giving up on said two points. That's bad, but I don't think it needs an explanation as to why it's horrible for her to give up on her love without a fight.

Why? Oh, just for some forceful character development. I mean, really, this chapter's development was awful. I recommend reading NarutoForum's Medaka Box thread or something. People there have explained this to a tee.
Not to, I dunno, look down on Naruto or anything. But the fact that you're using any sort of example from that manga as something genuinely significant/meaningful, or as an example of "good writing" to be emulated by others, really shows a lack of perspective. The gap in literacy between "generic shounen #1" and anything coming out of an acclaimed novelist like Nishio is so vast as to be in completely different dimensions.

Your entire arguments seem to be based on such convoluted and arbitrary presumptions that honestly it is a mess even trying to communicate with you. Here are some concepts you've been using which are either blatantly wrong or you have failed to establish:

- That using your skill for constructive purposes is not a Plus sentiment
- That "self" is not a dynamic concept that is impossible to even define on any essential level
- That any process of "change" does not inherently contradict an essential definition of "self"
- That following the advice of anybody is "putting on a mask" or denying yourself
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Old 2012-06-15, 23:05   Link #9563
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Lol, I'm beginning to wonder if anyone on this forum likes Medaka x Zen?

Is it wrong of me to agree that Medaka x Zen is not a very good pairing, but for precisely the opposite reason: someone relatively plain like Zenkichi just doesn't fit with a girl as "boss" as Medaka?
Yeah it's completely wrong for you(since you enjoy tempting fate)
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Old 2012-06-15, 23:09   Link #9564
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I like Medaka x Zenkichi...
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Old 2012-06-15, 23:11   Link #9565
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Though if I had my ideal, I'd probably go with Medaka x Hinokage and Zenkichi x Ajimu. But I don't need bones thrown to me - I just like them, that's all.
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Old 2012-06-16, 02:30   Link #9566
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Zenkichi deserves to get Medaka after all the shit he goes through for her. The only way I can see him ending up with anybody else is if Medaka dies.
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Old 2012-06-16, 02:31   Link #9567
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I think Hinokage is a fairly underrated character. He's not the typical "powerful bystander", he's practically the complete opposite, and that brings him a lot of strife.
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Old 2012-06-16, 08:57   Link #9568
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I'm perfectly fine with Medaka X Zen
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Old 2012-06-16, 09:13   Link #9569
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I think Hinokage is a fairly underrated character. He's not the typical "powerful bystander", he's practically the complete opposite, and that brings him a lot of strife.
I totally agree! Plus, he has great chemistry with Medaka. Not to mention one of the most original explanations for invisibility I've ever read!
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Old 2012-06-16, 09:36   Link #9570
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Old 2012-06-16, 10:25   Link #9571
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Perhaps Shiranui's Real Eater buffed one of the Suitors still in the running? It's NOT inconceivable, though whatever gambit she'd be planning in this scenario might well be ingeniously complex.
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Old 2012-06-16, 21:57   Link #9572
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I don't like Medaka/Zen. Actually, the author did not make me care about them. Both of them are not very interesting characters, and the romance chemistry between them is very weak. Again, romance is not a strong point of this manga. So does the plot. The really interesting thing about it is the plot twists, as you cannot see what the author will pull out of his ass next. It is just my opinion though.

I'm all for the troll ending for Medaka/Kumagawa or anybody else. The story just repeatedly implied Medaka and Zen to be with each other to the point of tiring. If it is a movie or something, I will say that Zen's character suffered from bad acting. He's just trying to look and say things that are cool, when...well, he's not actually that, similar to that main guy from bakemonogatari. I don;t understand why, just feel him getting drier and drier.


On another topic. why does Kumagawa appear there (c.150)? Are we sure it is REALLY him, not some suitor with some weird style?
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Old 2012-06-16, 23:31   Link #9573
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He's just trying to look and say things that are cool, when...well, he's not actually that, similar to that main guy from bakemonogatari.
Screw you, Shuraragi is awesome.
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Old 2012-06-17, 08:08   Link #9574
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Lol, I'm beginning to wonder if anyone on this forum likes Medaka x Zen?

Is it wrong of me to agree that Medaka x Zen is not a very good pairing, but for precisely the opposite reason: someone relatively plain like Zenkichi just doesn't fit with a girl as "boss" as Medaka?
Looks like you're not quite often reading posts here that you missed a lot of people liking a Zen x Medaka pairing rather than a so called Medaka x Kumagawa which isn't even possible to begin with. Talk about reaching the space with just your own bare foot

Why is it wrong for two people with different status to be each other?

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You're not alone. I miss her too. I wonder if she'll still show up in this arc.
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Old 2012-06-17, 09:31   Link #9575
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Why is it wrong for two people with different status to be each other?
This question is not status. If we cut a trolling - in the manga Zen x Medaka - are people who have feelings for each other. Perhaps there are people everywhere who like to add a dramatic story or a "bad end". But I personally do not understand such a troll. It's like adding to a sweet dessert - salt, mustard and hot pepper. This is certainly a very exotic, but usually you can not eat this.
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Old 2012-06-17, 10:21   Link #9576
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People often times don't like the meta couple simply because it is imposed on them that it will be the final couple right from the start. It's like challenging people "There will be twists and turns but in the end these two will end up together" that just makes some people want them to end up with others.
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Old 2012-06-17, 10:42   Link #9577
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Screw you, Shuraragi is awesome.
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Old 2012-06-17, 11:00   Link #9578
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@Randrack42 For me the interesting hero who pass the love of the one girl than the usual MC of the manga/anime that runs from one girl to another (not in a position to choose who he loves). I agree that romantic line develops very slowly. But the essence of the story - to really talk about love, it is necessary that Medaka has become an ordinary girl (beginning to think like a normal girl). To this we needed ~ 140 chapters and the process is not yet complete. In fact, from the very beginning of the story - it's story man's / human love (Zen) to the superman (sorry, superwoman? hmm ... language difficulties (Medaka). Medaka is different from the Zen is not superhuman ability - but "not human" thinking. Medaka thinking different as human.
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Old 2012-06-17, 11:14   Link #9579
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lol @ people being salty that Kumagawa is back, looking forward to Kumagawa at the minimum tripping Zen's votes. Hopefully Kumagawa is allowed to steal the show from this point on and save it from the mediocre Jump rankings that Zen has led this manga to in the last 6 months.

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So just curious~ a number of people have stated that Nisio planned this out over a year in advance? where's that from? was there a juicy interview that I've missed out on or somethin'~? :3 Please and thank you~♥
Considering Nisio was able to pump out a novel a month for over a year he could easily plan out an entire year of Medaka Box in a week or so really lol. I doubt Medaka Box is anywhere near his main focus.

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He not being able to recall that line gives amunition to the Zenkichi x Emukae shippers.
No, him not recalling that line means he'll recall that line at a more appropriate time to asspaul (of course Zen fans won't call it that) his way to victory (or cheer-lead Medaka to one) later in this arc.

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Probably because Medaka box is now somewhat safe. With the anime and decent volume sales I doubt jump is in a hurry to cancel it. So he can pretty much do what he wants.
The anime has performed shit.
Zen has led this manga back to the bottom 5 for the last 6 months, just like how it was B.K. (Before Kumagawa)
Even Bleach had to "speed" arcs up when it was ranking badly.... look @ Mago now too.... both series have much better performing anime shows and way more manga sales than Medaka Box.

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He's just trying to look and say things that are cool, when...well, he's not actually that, similar to that main guy from bakemonogatari. I don;t understand why, just feel him getting drier and drier.
Please don't insult Arararararararararararararagai-san by comparing him to trash like Zen.
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Old 2012-06-17, 11:26   Link #9580
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lol @ people being salty that Kumagawa is back, looking forward to Kumagawa at the minimum tripping Zen's votes. Hopefully Kumagawa is allowed to steal the show from this point on and save it from the mediocre Jump rankings that Zen has led this manga to in the last 6 months.



Considering Nisio was able to pump out a novel a month for over a year he could easily plan out an entire year of Medaka Box in a week or so really lol. I doubt Medaka Box is anywhere near his main focus.



No, him not recalling that line means he'll recall that line at a more appropriate time to asspaul (of course Zen fans won't call it that) his way to victory (or cheer-lead Medaka to one) later in this arc.



The anime has performed shit.
Zen has led this manga back to the bottom 5 for the last 6 months, just like how it was B.K. (Before Kumagawa)
Even Bleach had to "speed" arcs up when it was ranking badly.... look @ Mago now too.... both series have much better performing anime shows and way more manga sales than Medaka Box.



Please don't insult Arararararararararararararagai-san by comparing him to trash like Zen.
I don't really understand your point, the manga has always been in the bottom five even during Kumagawa's arcs, it simply moved up a bit near the end. Plus the rankings have most been the top of bottom five or above it in this arc, it's ironically not doing even half as bad as your implying.

If you think it's doing badly check it's volume sales. Those pretty much tell you it's doing fine, it may not be outstanding but it's extremely far away from terrible.

I just find it pretty hilarious, you want it to do terrible, but it really isn't, It's not amazing but it's no where near doing as bad as you want it to be. Also anime sales haven't been that bad do you even research these things before claiming fail, it's not doing amazing but it's far from a bomb.
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