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Old 2012-06-18, 12:29   Link #9621
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It's not that relevant unless that could explain increased merchandise sales from fans who don't want buy manga or volumes. It could also say that there is a market for this series and it need to be marketed more. Perhaps, this series has a fanbase that is more into online reading.
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Old 2012-06-18, 13:44   Link #9622
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Talking about the arc at hand, how do guys expect for it to evolve from here outside of the current fight.
My guess is that is gonna shift from the standard 1 vs 1 to something bigger. Either everyone eventually gets defeated or there's some kind of interruption, because I can't see how are they gonna pull this.
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Old 2012-06-18, 13:57   Link #9623
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Also, there is no way to say how Medaka Box anime is doing, because the first bluray will come out on July 25th and online buzz about anime isn't always in line with actual sales. However, I don't think the anime will sell well. I don't think Gainax is doing Medaka Box justice. (The only decision of theirs I could stand by was getting Paku Romi for Unzen, but any director/sound director in their right mind would get her. Let's not even get into changing the chapters, places, etc... To think I trusted Gainax... I miss Shinbou.)
We can judge from the Amazon preorders of the first volume, and they're shit. Medaka is the second in top 3 worst preordering animes from this season:
Shining Hearts: Shiawase no Pan 399 27.07.2012 (release date)
Medaka Box 568 25.07.2012
Upotte!! 680 31.08.2012

Do you think that the airing of the 12th episode with anime original scenario can change anything? Or the thing that it's still a month before it'll be released?
I don't think so personally. The best it can do is to sell 1000 copies, and I'm not talking about the average sales... well one of the Kill me Baby's volumes managed to sell 1000 copies with the DVD copies, so....
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Old 2012-06-18, 17:29   Link #9624
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We can judge from the Amazon preorders of the first volume, and they're shit. Medaka is the second in top 3 worst preordering animes from this season:
Shining Hearts: Shiawase no Pan 399 27.07.2012 (release date)
Medaka Box 568 25.07.2012
Upotte!! 680 31.08.2012

Do you think that the airing of the 12th episode with anime original scenario can change anything? Or the thing that it's still a month before it'll be released?
I don't think so personally. The best it can do is to sell 1000 copies, and I'm not talking about the average sales... well one of the Kill me Baby's volumes managed to sell 1000 copies with the DVD copies, so....
TBF that far from gives us the whole picture if you study these sorts of things enough you'll notice amazon preorders are far from a deffinate reference of how something is going to sell, sometimes it'll just sell lower on amazon but better somewhere else.

Certainly isn't a good indication but it doesn't exactly count it out from selling middling, though it's more unlikely. Current preorder points put it near 1,00 points for comparson Kuroko has almost 4,000. So yeah not great, well see if it manages middling.
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Old 2012-06-18, 23:03   Link #9625
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No, not as far as you think (at least for these anime). And because of that I assume that it'll sell 1000 copies at it's best.
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Old 2012-06-19, 04:33   Link #9626
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@Westlo, You say that medaka box was ranked 5th last, 6th last in the last three issues but in the same sense there was probably about 12 series being ranked at the time due to new series not being ranked and absentees making it actually ranking in the middle of the toc.
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There no point in arguing with Westlo he's refusing to to see the blatant trends here and see's what he wants to see which is that Medaka box is dooomed, dooooomed under Zenkichi (did I forget to mention dooomed?).
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Old 2012-06-19, 05:41   Link #9628
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Old 2012-06-19, 05:55   Link #9629
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Old 2012-06-19, 06:12   Link #9630
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Medaka Box anime will be getting a second season.
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Old 2012-06-19, 07:22   Link #9631
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Old 2012-06-19, 07:31   Link #9632
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Great research you did there, how about you look up magico sales for last volume and compare them to Medaka box. Medaka is an entire tier above Magico sales wise so your already contradicting yourself.
Wow what an amazingly intelligent and well written response, pity that... Mago =! Magico.

I mean really Tenchi? Really?

Nurarihyon No Mago or Magico, which one could I be possibly talking about when I say Mago... who could ever know?

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Shaman King went on for 300 chapters and got several spin offs, Medaka box is even half that age.
Shaman King was a very succesful manga series that eventually got cancelled due to low TOC rankings for a period of time. (But due to it's following and standing it was given an extended ending of sorts) The sales for it far exceeded Medaka Box.... I would've thought mentioning how better selling manga titles like Bleach and Mago have had "editorial" input for ranking low for periods of times would clue you in, but obviously I overestimated you.

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It's doing better than most of Medaka box arcs but even this arc is approaching that level.
Congrats, you lie more than Kumagawa.

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If the rank mattered so much it wouldn't have gotten an anime period. Especially a slice of life one when everyone knows the slice of life part of Medaka box wasn't popular.
The entire purpose of an anime is to promote the original source, whether it be a manga, a video game, a light novel or a visual novel, etc. They adapted from the start because Gainax are a shell of their former selves and have no idea why this manga became popular in the first place.

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And if you guys even payed attention THERE WAS NO JOKER SECTION. that was like two chapters which according to 8 week rule wouldn't be included in the current ratings, either the end of Aijimu arc arc was fine as well as the begining of black wedding arc, (not including the two joker chapters), or the 8 rule doesn't completely apply. Either way your wrong.
Can you not count or something?

Chapter 150 has Medaka finishing an amazing 6th from the bottom, equal in your words to the likes of the Treasure Hunting arc which had a Top 5 and several 6th and 7th placements.

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143 - Joker chapter
142 - Joker chapter

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Love how you use circluar arguements saying Medaka box is doing terrible without stating precisely why. Medaka box has ALWAYS been at or near the bottom 5 according to your reasoning it should have been cancelled long ago. Why hasn't it volume sales. Now lets look at those volume sales, oh wait they're fine. So what is your arguemnet again. That's right you don't have one.
I already explained why Medaka Box wasn't canceled numerous times in this thread before you jumped on the bandwagon. You don't need to lecture me on that, note that there is a difference to saying these two statements.

"Zen focus has led the manga back into the bottom 5 of the TOC"

vs

"Zen focus has led the manga back into the bottom 5 of the TOC, it's doomed and will be canceled!".

The manga is safe, my issue is that a permanent downturn will not bode well once the second season (which if you read the anime thread you would've seen me mention as being split cour numerous times) ends. What is the point of continuing to run a manga that is static and that an anime gave no uptake in sales too and continues to rank in the bottom half.

But than again considering the amount of spin you put on why do I even bother pointing that out? If anything why do you take offense to that statement, I mean it's true and yet it annoys you, so you just make up stuff, smh.

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We go through this shit every single time anyone with half a brain would have realised the correlation. Talk to me when Medaka box's volume sales are 50K or lower or better yet 80K or lower. Otherwise shut up with your garbage.
Garbage? lmao why don't you stop talking about a TOC you don't know anything about (quick read mangahelpers and become an expert!), or amazon stalker rankings where you're clueless. Or when you stop confusing one of the bigger jump manga series of the last decade for trash like Magico.

Don't worry about me, step your own game up and stop typing garbage like this.

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There no point in arguing with Westlo he's refusing to to see the blatant trends here and see's what he wants to see which is that Medaka box is dooomed, dooooomed under Zenkichi (did I forget to mention dooomed?).
Yes because

10th, 12th, 13th, 11th, 12th, 14th, 16th, 16th is reasonably comparable to 8th, 6th, 9th, 8th, 4th, 7th, 12th and 8th. Or to use a part from the Minus arc... 8th, 5th, 7th, 6th, 8th, 13th, 9th, 9th.

Yes Medaka Box was always in the bottom 5 or near it, if you keep saying it enough it might become true.

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I don't deny that Zenkichi fans can be guilty as well, but that doesn't automatically mean you're justified.

No, I've seen you bitching about how the "characters i dont like"=manga going downhill", and oh look, rankings just happen to prove my point.
*Yawn*

Like Zen fans didn't do it all the time during the first and Flask Arc. And than they couldn't even point out to ratings later on so just went with characters I don't like=manga going downhill fullscale.

And here's the thing, I'm not saying I'm justified, so don't even mention that rubbish. Just don't cry foul when you get a taste of your own medicine or you know actually call out your fellow fans for acting like morons. A lot of you could learn a lot from Sol in how to handle criticism of a character you like, instead of whining when you're met with the same.

I mean it's hilarious, I'm accused of using popularity polls and TOC rankings for chapters to justify my points yet when Tenchi posts mangafox or narutositefullofmorons (Yes because we really want the opinion of people who think Naruto is godlike) with Zen winning polls it's somehow completely different.

The amount of hate Zen gets is a fraction of Medaka's yet the moment someone dares to interrupt the circlejerk the Zen symbol (8th place? lol) is shined into the sky and the defense force pounces.

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@Westlo, You say that medaka box was ranked 5th last, 6th last in the last three issues but in the same sense there was probably about 12 series being ranked at the time due to new series not being ranked and absentees making it actually ranking in the middle of the toc.
Please don't be another Tenchi and try and spin things unreasonably.

Last 3 issues is 10th, 12th and 13th. 12th out of 17th is not the middle and with Magico getting canceled it loses a buffer. Not to mention that if Mago and Bleach rank below it you can really ignore that.... they pull rank over Medaka and have far higher volume sales...

You got your second season of anime, exactly the way I told you it would happen numerous times in the anime thread, be happy.

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Old 2012-06-19, 08:22   Link #9633
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All of yall cool if ffs. This discussion is slowly degenerating into a bunch of snappy comebacks, hidden FUs and "shut up I'm better than you"s amidst the info dump from all parties involved.

It's clear that Westlo and Tenchi and some others have their own opinions and view points on the matter and can't and won't agree on them...so why are yall even bothering?

Let's focus on the content of this week's spoilers shall we?

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Old 2012-06-19, 09:00   Link #9634
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Wow what an amazingly intelligent and well written response, pity that... Mago =! Magico.

I mean really Tenchi? Really?

Nurarihyon No Mago or Magico, which one could I be possibly talking about when I say Mago... who could ever know?



Shaman King was a very succesful manga series that eventually got cancelled due to low TOC rankings for a period of time. (But due to it's following and standing it was given an extended ending of sorts) The sales for it far exceeded Medaka Box.... I would've thought mentioning how better selling manga titles like Bleach and Mago have had "editorial" input for ranking low for periods of times would clue you in, but obviously I overestimated you.



Congrats, you lie more than Kumagawa.



The entire purpose of an anime is to promote the original source, whether it be a manga, a video game, a light novel or a visual novel, etc. They adapted from the start because Gainax are a shell of their former selves and have no idea why this manga became popular in the first place.



Can you not count or something?

Chapter 150 has Medaka finishing an amazing 6th from the bottom, equal in your words to the likes of the Treasure Hunting arc which had a Top 5 and several 6th and 7th placements.

149
148
147
146
145
144
143 - Joker chapter
142 - Joker chapter



I already explained why Medaka Box wasn't canceled numerous times in this thread before you jumped on the bandwagon. You don't need to lecture me on that, note that there is a difference to saying these two statements.

"Zen focus has led the manga back into the bottom 5 of the TOC"

vs

"Zen focus has led the manga back into the bottom 5 of the TOC, it's doomed and will be canceled!".

The manga is safe, my issue is that a permanent downturn will not bode well once the second season (which if you read the anime thread you would've seen me mention as being split cour numerous times) ends. What is the point of continuing to run a manga that is static and that an anime gave no uptake in sales too and continues to rank in the bottom half.

But than again considering the amount of spin you put on why do I even bother pointing that out? If anything why do you take offense to that statement, I mean it's true and yet it annoys you, so you just make up stuff, smh.



Garbage? lmao why don't you stop talking about a TOC you don't know anything about (quick read mangahelpers and become an expert!), or amazon stalker rankings where you're clueless. Or when you stop confusing one of the bigger jump manga series of the last decade for trash like Magico.

Don't worry about me, step your own game up and stop typing garbage like this.



Yes because

10th, 12th, 13th, 11th, 12th, 14th, 16th, 16th is reasonably comparable to 8th, 6th, 9th, 8th, 4th, 7th, 12th and 8th. Or to use a part from the Minus arc... 8th, 5th, 7th, 6th, 8th, 13th, 9th, 9th.

Yes Medaka Box was always in the bottom 5 or near it, if you keep saying it enough it might become true.



*Yawn*

Like Zen fans didn't do it all the time during the first and Flask Arc. And than they couldn't even point out to ratings later on so just went with characters I don't like=manga going downhill fullscale.

And here's the thing, I'm not saying I'm justified, so don't even mention that rubbish. Just don't cry foul when you get a taste of your own medicine or you know actually call out your fellow fans for acting like morons. A lot of you could learn a lot from Sol in how to handle criticism of a character you like, instead of whining when you're met with the same.

I mean it's hilarious, I'm accused of using popularity polls and TOC rankings for chapters to justify my points yet when Tenchi posts mangafox or narutositefullofmorons (Yes because we really want the opinion of people who think Naruto is godlike) with Zen winning polls it's somehow completely different.

The amount of hate Zen gets is a fraction of Medaka's yet the moment someone dares to interrupt the circlejerk the Zen symbol (8th place? lol) is shined into the sky and the defense force pounces.



Please don't be another Tenchi and try and spin things unreasonably.

Last 3 issues is 10th, 12th and 13th. 12th out of 17th is not the middle and with Magico getting canceled it loses a buffer. Not to mention that if Mago and Bleach rank below it you can really ignore that.... they pull rank over Medaka and have far higher volume sales...

You got your second season of anime, exactly the way I told you it would happen numerous times in the anime thread, be happy.
How about we do this more accurately than random snap shots which are incomparible and tell us nothing. End of minus arc rankings FROM BOTTOM (since the top is usally filled with colour pages new mangas and the fact the magazine had different numbers of manga's at different times which would skewer results if we looked at it that way.

78-86 Minus arc. 3rd from last, colour,7 from last, 7 from last, 10th from last (best), 3rd from last colour page, 2nd to last, 6th from last.

136-143 Aijimu arc, 3rd from last, colour, 6th from last, 8th from last, 4th from last, 5th from last, 5th from last, 6th from last.

Minus arc did better but it wasn't massively so, and it was a lot more volitile.

So yeah fantastic it did sooo bad.

And so we again go the the endless cycle if Medaka box rankings with someone else or maybe even you later on bring this sit up again when something happens in the manga they don't like.

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Old 2012-06-19, 09:00   Link #9635
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deep breath...

I don't really know how many times the discussion has gotten derailed to this(and I haven't even been on animesuki very long).

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Know who else I kinda miss? Akune and Kikaijima(agh, Minus Arc all over again).
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deep breath...

I don't really know how many times the discussion has gotten derailed to this(and I haven't even been on animesuki very long).

@Randrak42

Know who else I kinda miss? Akune and Kikaijima(agh, Minus Arc all over again).
Never been much of an Akune fan, but Kikaijima...definitely.

I'll be honest, the 3 characters I miss the most and who I want more screentime are Shiranui, Munakata and Hinokage. Those three deserve more screentime than what they are given xD
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^^ Hinokage definitely
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Old 2012-06-20, 03:47   Link #9639
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Raws out, god damn Zenkichi god damn. also I'm pretty certain Kumagawa's now simply an excuse for the mangaka to randomly draw soft porn, not particularily complaining... just an observation.

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