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Old 2012-12-08, 10:35   Link #11361
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As a fan of zen, when he disappeared I was F this, maybe next week it will be better. Or maybe it's time for a little break until he comes back.
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And "April Fiction"? It would have been so much more fitting to reveal the skill Ajimu left him during the fight against Iihiko... Oh well, always nice to see Kumagawa's twisted side.
Except that skills don't work against Iihiko which is the whole point of the act to learn styles.
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Old 2012-12-08, 11:27   Link #11362
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Surely Nisio hasn't forgotten that even the original All Fiction couldn't erase "strong feelings" (he reminded us of Emukae in the previous arc). I'm pretty sure Kumagawa hasn't really erased Zenkichi, he's just playing mind games with Shiranui.
At that time he didn't have bookmaker tho, when he combines All Fiction with Bookmaker the strength of the feelings don't matter.
He was able to seal away Ajimu with it, afterall


though I do agree that he's probably just playing mind games with Shiranui
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Old 2012-12-08, 12:07   Link #11363
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I like Kumagawa, but that name for his new Minus sucks.

April fools Or something.
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Old 2012-12-08, 12:14   Link #11364
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I don't think Kumagawa really planned things out well with getting Zen erased.

I mean its not hard to tell that he did it to Shiranui so she can realize the truth much like she did it to him in the minus arc for his feelings with Medaka.

But what's going to happen when Medaka finds out?
Nothing. Kumagawa can just constantly heal any damage she does to him, its not like when he stopped using it so he can win and lose properly during their last fight.

Medaka: Im gonna kill ya.
Kuma: ALL FICTION LOL.
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Old 2012-12-08, 12:21   Link #11365
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LOL some people still thinking the manga is going to get cancelled. Like they did last month, and the month before that and again and again and......
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Old 2012-12-08, 13:02   Link #11366
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Medaka: Im gonna kill ya.
Kuma: ALL FICTION LOL.
You forget that Medaka has "killer skills" - "The End".
Medaka: Im gonna kill ya.
Kuma: ALL FICTION
Medaka: ALL FICTION PLUS
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Old 2012-12-08, 13:29   Link #11367
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Old 2012-12-08, 13:29   Link #11368
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LOL some people still thinking the manga is going to get cancelled. Like they did last month, and the month before that and again and again and......
Reminds me how people used to proclaim To Love Ru was going to be canceled for years claiming it had low popularity even though it was it was a solid money maker.

So anyone know if april fools is well known in japan?
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Old 2012-12-08, 14:05   Link #11369
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Except that skills don't work against Iihiko which is the whole point of the act to learn styles.
I wasn't expecting Kumagawa to defeat Iihiko with his new skill, but I thought it might be sufficiently powerful/weird to distract him enough (skills do have some effect on Iihiko) to allow Medaka to deliver the final blow
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At that time he didn't have bookmaker tho, when he combines All Fiction with Bookmaker the strength of the feelings don't matter.
He was able to seal away Ajimu with it, afterall
But the Bookmaker-powered All Fiction is weaker than the Hundred Guantlets version! Still, you've given me an idea: All Fiction is currently at its strongest because for the first time he has both Bookmaker and Hundred Gauntlets to power it. (Plus whatever his new skill is.)
I never understood how Kumagawa had both Bookmaker and All Fiction to fight Ajimu in the first place, because All Fiction was originally developed from Hundred Gauntlets, and Kumagawa didn't know how to produce All Fiction from Bookmaker until the fight with Kei.
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Old 2012-12-08, 15:14   Link #11370
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Still, you've given me an idea: All Fiction is currently at its strongest because for the first time he has both Bookmaker and Hundred Gauntlets to power it. (Plus whatever his new skill is.)
That was my point, before he just had one of the skills, but when he combines it with another skill it's a lot stronger,
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Old 2012-12-08, 16:07   Link #11371
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Another thing: an important aspect of Kumagawa's personality early on is that while he would kill people (and often) he'd never, ever let them stay dead. This was the explanation for why he couldn't simply use All Fiction to erase his opponents.
So yeah, I doubt Zenkichi is gone for real.
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Old 2012-12-08, 16:36   Link #11372
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Another thing: an important aspect of Kumagawa's personality early on is that while he would kill people (and often) he'd never, ever let them stay dead. This was the explanation for why he couldn't simply use All Fiction to erase his opponents.
So yeah, I doubt Zenkichi is gone for real.
I stand by my theory that if/when Kumagawa brings him back, he won't be the same Zenkichi.

They'll be something wrong with/out of character about him

And I'm hoping for "no longer loves Medaka"
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Old 2012-12-08, 18:01   Link #11373
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no longer loves Medaka
Absolutely impossible.
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Old 2012-12-08, 18:48   Link #11374
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Also, I didn't put a note about it and don't have time to read the thread to see if someone already said it right now, but April Fiction is written as 安心大嘘憑き, 安心 being the first two kanji in Ajimu's name (Anshin). He named his new Minus after the late Anshin'in
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Old 2012-12-08, 19:01   Link #11375
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I'm think next Arc - Anshin'in back. It would be very sad to lose her forever.
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Old 2012-12-08, 20:12   Link #11376
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I'm just going to call Nienami being a Not Equal and one of Ajimu's 'terminals', and that Ajimu is controlling her right now. That'd explain her weird, inconsistent behavior and out-of-character knowledge.
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Old 2012-12-09, 00:22   Link #11377
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Another thing: an important aspect of Kumagawa's personality early on is that while he would kill people (and often) he'd never, ever let them stay dead. This was the explanation for why he couldn't simply use All Fiction to erase his opponents.
So yeah, I doubt Zenkichi is gone for real.
Well, there was that instance where Kumagawa was about to turn Hinokage into nothing.

Then again, that was probably an exceptional scenario. And Chougasaki and Shibuki interfered for that reason, logically.
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Old 2012-12-09, 00:31   Link #11378
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Absolutely impossible.
Sadly, yes.

Why can't Zenikichi leave Medaka because she is Medaka and he is well himself.
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Old 2012-12-09, 00:32   Link #11379
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Sadly, yes.
Sad, sad, sad...
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Old 2012-12-09, 02:17   Link #11380
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so many theories I like here:
-zenkichi coming back differently, hopefully not loving medaka
-zenkichi talking with ajimu this time
one or both should come true.

or if zen is really gone, 1000%, then I guess its finally time to drop the manga(if this is not the last arc, I think il at least try to see the end of this one)

now though, kumagawa isnt making it to my like list. whether he's joking or not.

one thing I did like in the chapter is the upcoming fight with shiranui. im really curious about how she'll battle and her powers, they make it sound like its pretty impressive if even kumagawa's old "all fiction" couldnt beat her...
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